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KAC won a military contract
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Private- "I dunno what happened to it Colonel. It just disappeared......."
Colonel- "That is a nice Harley, is it new"...
Colonel- "That is a nice Harley, is it new"...
I find it somewhat amusing that it comes with MBUS Pros.
Slap enough magpul on anything and someone will buy it.
This was interesting. The Edgar Brothers, who won the contract, had to comply with this. So this is the UK, how long before US contracts stipulate this?
"As part of the initial requirements, the Contract will also include several firm requirements Edgar Brothers must undertake to improve Social Value in the UK, these will cover the five key themes stipulated in The Social Value Model."
"As part of the initial requirements, the Contract will also include several firm requirements Edgar Brothers must undertake to improve Social Value in the UK, these will cover the five key themes stipulated in The Social Value Model."
I'd like to learn more about this "Heavy Mass Barrel" looks to have the Marvin Makeover.
KAC market values just went up another 20%. Fanboys hardons to buy went up another 50%.
Facts.
Facts.
The only things kac made on the entire rifle are upper/lower, the suppressor, and maybe the bcg, maybe.
Why? Because when they gave us the m110's with their own furniture, they could hear us complaining from space.
People line up to pay stupid money for kac rifles, meanwhile, the upper/lower couldn't be more insignificant in the operation of an ar rifle. You can't make the upper or lower fail on an ar short of running it over with a tank. So..... kac makes the upper/lower, can and maybe the bcg, the remainder is $500 worth of magpul shit, and it's $40k.
Yep, sounds about right for the government..
Why? Because when they gave us the m110's with their own furniture, they could hear us complaining from space.
People line up to pay stupid money for kac rifles, meanwhile, the upper/lower couldn't be more insignificant in the operation of an ar rifle. You can't make the upper or lower fail on an ar short of running it over with a tank. So..... kac makes the upper/lower, can and maybe the bcg, the remainder is $500 worth of magpul shit, and it's $40k.
Yep, sounds about right for the government..
Uhhh, what?
That’s a KAC made rifle with a KAC can. Yeah it’s got a magpul buttstock, grip, and sights and the optics package doesn’t have any components from them but everything else is KAC.
I'll never understand why people will pay what they do for those rifles. Admittedly my experience is the $50k m110 rifles. They were absolutely garbage. Very inconsistent, poorly suited to the task, accuracy was mediocre, reliability wasn't there. The list of problems were a mile long. They sent us "sniper rifles" with mil spec triggers, stocks without adjustment, cans that would carbon weld themselves to the barrel in a single range trip, accuracy somewhere between 1 and 3 moa depending on the particular rifle, and a host of other problems. They weren't any better than something you could get from PSA or some of the other low end rifle manufacturers, in fact, they might not have been that good.
This is your response to that?
I highly doubt you have ever handled an M110 first of all. Second KAC are excellent rifles and top tier. No they are not worth what most idiots will pay for them, but they are far better than any POS that has ever left PSA's door.
You clearly don't have a clue WTF you're talking about as usual because M110's are not and were not ever $50K. Not even for the full system, and not close to what the military paid. The 2013 FY Army contract put them at $11,214 EA for the system. Even if you add the 2018 contract to have 1725 of them them overhauled ($9,594 EA) they only ad up to $20,808 EA.
You should post less, your entire post is even more laughable than your previous.
I was one one of the first snipers to put my hands on them back in 2009. My unit had them way before most of the army.
Look how angry you are about something that you don't know anything about. Those systems cost $40,xxx when they sent us the deployment kits. I know because I saw the invoices.
Don't worry about what or how much I post. I'll bet you'd be far less mouthy in person keyboard badass. Go ride your bicycle BMX boy.
I'm not angry at all, I'm actually quite entertained pointing out what a supreme retard you are while thinking your akin to Einstein.
https://www.bidlink.net/news/2019/0...ed a,total estimated value” of $16,550,140.00.
They were designed in 2007 and started fielding them in 2008, a year before you claim to have an early one LOL. I didn't dig into what they cost in 2008, but I can guarantee you that they didn't get cheaper 5 years later.
Now what other wisdom does the fountain of bullshit have to spew?
This is what kak sold the kit to civilians for. It doesn't even have all of the shit we had. The kit they sold the army was well over $40k. You don't know what you're talking about. You're like most people on this forum, pretending to be an expert on shit you've never been involved in.
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I literally posted a link containing the contract info. It lists the Army’s price along with all the contract info. You can look it up and see all the contract info on other sites too.
You post a link to a commercial sales company that’s known for inflating prices.
I bought a brand new M110 SASS kit from Vino on gunbroker about 10 years ago in the coffin case with optic and everything except the can (didn’t want it, could have bought one for another $1Kish) for $9500 and he had like 10 of the things available
Fuck your dumb.
Use your Google fu and find the contract price for the bullshit they gave us in 2008. I can't find it anywhere, maybe you can.I literally posted a link containing the contract info. It lists the Army’s price along with all the contract info. You can look it up and see all the contract info on other sites too.
You post a link to a commercial sales company that’s known for inflating prices.
I bought a brand new M110 SASS kit from Vino on gunbroker about 10 years ago in the coffin case with optic and everything except the can (didn’t want it, could have bought one for another $1Kish) for $9500 and he had like 10 of the things available
Fuck your dumb.
You won't share it of you can though because then you'll look like an idiot.
If anyone has that information, please share it here so bicycle boy can see it. He's clearly sucking kac dick and doesn't have any idea that everything I'm saying is correct. They were shit rifles. I did hear that that the later versions were much improved, adjustable stocks, better triggers, different suppressor mounting methods, and a dozen other problems fixed. I've literally had to beat those surefire suppressors off with a hammer. You just don't know what you're talking about..
I understand that you're stupid, and you have proven it, but are you really stupid enough to believe that the M110 SASS kits cost the military 4x as much 5 years EARLIER?
I would gladly post 2007 contract pricing it if I found it just because it would just further disprove your bullshit claims, why would I not? Nice try trying to turn this around though.
How about you post your DD214 with some proof that it's you? The military sniper community is a pretty tight knit community and there's a lot on here, does anyone with credibility here know you personally that can vouch for you?
I would gladly post 2007 contract pricing it if I found it just because it would just further disprove your bullshit claims, why would I not? Nice try trying to turn this around though.
How about you post your DD214 with some proof that it's you? The military sniper community is a pretty tight knit community and there's a lot on here, does anyone with credibility here know you personally that can vouch for you?
There are people on this forum that I was in the same sniper section with. I am not worried about your opinion of my credibility. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Post my dd214? Yeah, I'll just throw that up here on the internet for posers like you to look at.
If there were any other actual snipers from that Era in this post, they would already be telling you what I'm telling you, but there are very few. Don't tell me how tight the community is, because you have no idea, you were never part lf it. If you were, you'd have already sent me a DM and we would have discussed common acquaintances. You are pretending that you are in some way the judge in this scenario. See if you can find the details of that first contract for the deployment kits they sent us. I fucking dare you..
Post my dd214? Yeah, I'll just throw that up here on the internet for posers like you to look at.
If there were any other actual snipers from that Era in this post, they would already be telling you what I'm telling you, but there are very few. Don't tell me how tight the community is, because you have no idea, you were never part lf it. If you were, you'd have already sent me a DM and we would have discussed common acquaintances. You are pretending that you are in some way the judge in this scenario. See if you can find the details of that first contract for the deployment kits they sent us. I fucking dare you..
Here you go retard. $11,495 per kit in 2007, even the $15,300 price with ammunition and testing, spotting scope kit and everything doesn’t come close to your $50K claim. You are so full of shit you can’t see straight, the only poser fuck here is you.
What do you have to say now?
What do you have to say now?
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They gave it the KAC treatment - the heavy barrel with dimples goes back ~10 years or more and while notably absent has been recently seen with 6.5CM SR-25 uppers and the KS-1/L403A1. The dimple pattern is KAC’s. Marvin has permission to use it or licenses it from KAC, after all he is ex-KAC. What’s to say? It’s a heavy taper barrel with dimples behind the gas block - the base 13.7” KS-1 rifle weighs more than the 16” skinny barrel rifle.
I'm looking at the same thing you are, and all I can tell you is that isn't correct. The deployment kits they sent us were over $40k. What you're looking at isn't as simple as you think it is. It's a depreciation sheet showing multi-year breakdowns. It's a language I don't speak. I'm sure there is a former pog here somewhere that can make sense of it.
By the way, they definitely didn't come with a spotting scope, and I doubt very seriously they came with any ammo, at least not that I recall. We shot m118lr, and I've shot enough through them to build you a park to jump your bicycle over.
They sent the deployment kits to us around March 2009, and within a week of them arriving we had a 2 day familiarization class with a rep from knights armament in a classroom at Battallion Headquarters. I remember the rep was apologizing for the shit they sent us in the first 10 minutes of the briefing. He said "this isn't the rifle we wanted to send you, it's the rifle the army wanted", and he said it a dozen times in two days. They weren't even happy with what they gave us..
You're seriously saying that the actual US Army budget book on their official government website is wrong? You cannot be fucking serious.
I'm saying that the document we are looking at is not in line with the cost of the rifle and deployment kit that they sent out to the units. I'm absolutely saying that.
That's not strange at all if you knew anything at all about the DOD and the way they spend money. Not strange at all. Hang on, I'll try to find a photo for you.
This is a picture of my sniper school graduation. I hesitate to share this because I know there are posers out there like you who will try to pretend you are one of the people in this picture. At least a third of these guys aren't alive anymore, maybe more, I'm not exactly sure. I am on the left of center, back row with the m24. You'll see the date and that some of us have m24's, and some have m110 rifles. We all had a choice at that point because they hadn't forced us to send our m24's back in yet. That's the first generations of m110 rifles. I watched two fail during that 5 week course for reasons I can't remember and the students had to finish with loaner rifles. That class started with about 28 people and finished with about 11 graduates. There are at least a dozen people here on this forum who know me personally who can verify that I am who I say I am.
Now, shut your poser mouth bicycle boy.
Now, shut your poser mouth bicycle boy.
November of the same year I was in SF selection, followed by almost 18 months in the SFQC. By the time I got back to the sniper community they were getting ready for the 2010's to land and everybody was fucking thrilled to be able to leave those things in the armory.
Nobody who ever used one in the real world would pay what you pay for them. The only reason they carry the cost that they do is so posers like you can put on your camouflage pants on the weekend and go to your local range and hope someone will mistake you for a badass.
Nobody who ever used one in the real world would pay what you pay for them. The only reason they carry the cost that they do is so posers like you can put on your camouflage pants on the weekend and go to your local range and hope someone will mistake you for a badass.
Like you could be and most likely are doing right now?
@redneckbmxer24 Those figures on that sheet are in $1000 increments hence the 3 0's on top of the column. I looked at the M4 section and those numbers align with what we paid for the whole kits when I was a 1SG at Bragg.
I don't thing that's accurate but if that's the case and thats the price for the 1150 units 11,495 x 1000 = $9,995.65 each. Even less!
Hey brothers I don’t know when they won all the contracts for the M110’s but I started filling large sling orders for them 2005. I also supplied slings for them in “trials “ circa 2004. I saw them or what looked like them in use circa 2005 in Iraq. I was Tactical Intervention from 1998 to 2018
Prior to that and after I supplied slings for various look alike KAC systems. Not an expert
I heard more than one unhappy sniper with a SR25 variant In the early 2000’s. A friend at Crane blamed early problems with poor cleaning, bolt stops that broke and carbon steel barrels specs by the US Government
With that said KAC is damm good stuff and I would love to have another one. I can’t think of a better system currently available
KAC fixed everything wrong with the original AR10 platform just like others did to the AR15 platform
I’m pretty sure the original SASS production contract was awarded in 2005 after a 2004 solicitation. That’s the contract that would probably be definitive for your discussion.
Interesting fact:
I joined this forum while in that school (check the dates). I was laying in the hallway of some shitty abandoned building they had us staying in on weapons guard (it was the 4th of July weekend I think), and guard duty was going for $20/ hour). I made a killing for a specialist on active duty during those 4 days. I was laying there playing with my phone and of course I was looking up "sniper shit" because it was all I could think about. I found the hide and felt like I was going to pass, so I would be welcome here. At the time I thought you should actually be a sniper to be on the site.
Charlie Chaplin once got 3rd in a Charlie Chaplin lookalike contest, or at least that's the story. That's what it was like when bicycle boy told me that I needed to "post less" on a forum called "sniper's hide". A guy who has never even seen the inside of a meps office unless he was wishing his boyfriend goodbye.
I joined this forum while in that school (check the dates). I was laying in the hallway of some shitty abandoned building they had us staying in on weapons guard (it was the 4th of July weekend I think), and guard duty was going for $20/ hour). I made a killing for a specialist on active duty during those 4 days. I was laying there playing with my phone and of course I was looking up "sniper shit" because it was all I could think about. I found the hide and felt like I was going to pass, so I would be welcome here. At the time I thought you should actually be a sniper to be on the site.
Charlie Chaplin once got 3rd in a Charlie Chaplin lookalike contest, or at least that's the story. That's what it was like when bicycle boy told me that I needed to "post less" on a forum called "sniper's hide". A guy who has never even seen the inside of a meps office unless he was wishing his boyfriend goodbye.
Hey the contract price included everything in kit including some best of the time night vision
Add the fact it takes forever to get by Uncle Sam required KAC to pay all vendors net thirty or less then wait 6 months to a year plus to get paid.
Yes I was incorrect on the dates. I posted pricing right off of Army’s website as well as the link to the budget book further down in the thread.
Thats just for the rifle, and you see the scope is left blank as printed just for the rifle spotter ammo etc its $13K (15300000/1150)
and I know its accurate. if you look at the M4 page it list each one as 1.4 which would be $1400 for the system. Colt charged around $600 for the rifle, add the 400 for an aimpoint, bayonet, surefire light KAC rails it adds up to $1400.
I saw what you posted, but that was from fiscal year 2007. What you’re looking for is from fiscal year 2006 and possibly 2005. Army can’t enter into a contract without money appropriated (Anti-Deficiency Act) so the 2005 contract award had to have an appropriation from 2005.
That still lists costs for 2007-2012… first page is FY cost at 15.3 then 15.0. Second breaks it down.
You’re not catching what I’m throwing down. If you want onto win your internet argument, I’m fairly certain the initial contract award is going to be the dataset you need. Later, larger production runs usually have lower costs. That’s what you’re posting—a later production run.
You mean like the price would have been in 2009 when he claims he was one of the first to receive them and claims came with a $50K price tag then?
See his post.
Go read what I said half wit. I said the deployment kits. It was all together in a storm box, over $40k. I can't remember the exact number from 14 years ago.
I wouldn't have known what the rifle itself cost, that's why I kept talking about the deployment kit. I know what the system cost, and the worst thing in the box was the rifle..
It’s obvious to several here y’all are talking two different things. I was trying to point you to the right data that would probably end the argument. A 2009 delivery could easily have been part of the 2005 contract, especially if it was kitted up. I’m ducking out of this internet fight though.
Listen bicycle boy, you stepped on your dick, it happens. We could have done this politely but you lashed out at me right out of the gate. Now you look as dumb as you should. You've called me every pejorative in the dictionary, a fraud, a liar, a poser and I'm sure I'm forgetting some more. I'm going to let it go because I'm too old to hang on to shit like this and I have better things to do. I hope you learned not to attack people based on some shit you don't really know about. I'm just going to pretend this whole thing never happened and you're free to do the same. Clean slate.
M110 kits don’t cost and never have cost $50K dumbass. Why don’t you produce something that backs up the bullshit you’re claiming because I’ve posted multiple references that back up mine. Not a single thing I can find shows anything anywhere near what you’re claiming.
Good, that's who I thought you were. You've left no doubt for anyone here now.
Have whatever kind of day you want to.
Deployment kit in stock ready to ship: https://nsarmory.us/kac-knights-armament-company-m110-limited-edition-deployment-kit/
They were closer to 20K for a long time.
They were closer to 20K for a long time.
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