Rifle Scopes Kahles K624i vs S&B 5-25x56

[Aussie game hunter2014]

Hi everyone

I'm only just getting into medium to long distance shooting and am trying to decide wether to get a kahles K624i or S&B 5-25x56 and what I am having trouble understanding is the field of view and want a scope that will have a wide view so I can pick up targets easy. Ill be shooting at ranges from 100m to 500m

Thx

 

[SNAFU308]

Hey mate where abouts in Aus are you?

I recently (like a week ago) went through the exact same choice

http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...tic-choice-help-schmidt-bender-vs-kahles.html

I ended up going the S&B because I got a great deal on it but I think the Kahles might suit your needs better the Schmidt does have some tunnelling below 8 power so you don't really get any extra field of view at the lower magnifications.

The glass in both is excellent. That being said if you are "Glassing" for targets like animals on a hillside etc you would be far better served with a set of binos rather than using the scope on your rifle for obvious reasons. Hope that somewhat helps

 

[Aussie game hunter2014]

Hey

I'm matt I live in NSW young but have property's around Griffith and young
Thx for the info, my cousin bought a K624i and reckons its pretty good.
I'm not trying to achieve what binoculars would do all I want is a scope that I can pick up animals at med-high magnifications. I like the turrets on the S&B and also like the p4 fine recticle.

Thx

 

[Aussie game hunter2014]

Hi again

Also where are u in Australia if u are here?

 

[Aussie game hunter2014]

Hi

Yea well mate I do shootin anywhere from rabbits too pigs mostly roos cuz they are very destructive to our fences!! And sometimes in the day they're 3-400 YDS away. I am not by a long shot a bench rest shooter but I still like to show off a bit!
And I just want a scope that's gunna be functionable for 100-500 YDS if u know wat I mean

Thx

 

[sib1948]

Sounds like a FFP variable scope with lower power top end would suit you best, unless you're eventually planning on stretching out your shooting to 1000 or more yards. Kahls and S&B should have something for you with less power and expense for you!

 

[Aussie game hunter2014]

So guys

Guys!! I'm pullin my bloody hair out about MRAD"s and what it equals in cm? Like I know 1mrad =1/10 of a cm and 1/10 of a cm is one millimetre? So how is 1/8" more accurate than one mill?!! I'm confused if someone could explain the whole thing in noob language that would be great!!

Thx

 

[RyeDaddy]

0.1 milrad = 1cm @ 100m

 

[steve123]

So guys

Guys!! I'm pullin my bloody hair out about MRAD"s and what it equals in cm? Like I know 1mrad =1/10 of a cm and 1/10 of a cm is one millimetre? So how is 1/8" more accurate than one mill?!! I'm confused if someone could explain the whole thing in noob language that would be great!!

Thx

If you want FOV then consider the S&B 3-20x50. It does not tunnel even on 3x and the FOV is huge. I've been using 4x on mine when I'm out hunting small game.

I have the S&B 5-25 too. For 95% of the shooting I do 25x isn't needed. I mostly use it when shooting groups or checking zero. For matches it's usually down around 15x because of mirage or I need the larger FOV.

.1 mil clicks are fine enough for most applications. Scopes that have 1/8 clicks also have less moa travel and less moa adjustment per revolution. For instance I used to have a 1/8th moa target scope that had 10 moa per turn, compared to 13 mils on a S&B. That's huge difference!

 

[Aussie game hunter2014]

Hi mate

So u would reccomended the S&B 3-20x50 over the kahles? I know that 1/8" is around 3mm I think that is pretty accurate and would u rather MRAD"s or MOA? I still think I would like the magnification cuz most of the shooting I do is at night so..

Thx

 

[mdmp5]

1 milrad = 1cm @ 100m

No, 1 mil = 10 cm @ 100 m

 

[RyeDaddy]

No, 1 mil = 10 cm @ 100 m

How fuckin embarassing. Corrected, thanks. Coffee first, then inerwebz.

 

[steve123]

Hi mate

So u would reccomended the S&B 3-20x50 over the kahles? I know that 1/8" is around 3mm I think that is pretty accurate and would u rather MRAD"s or MOA? I still think I would like the magnification cuz most of the shooting I do is at night so..

Thx

After using mils I sold most of my moa scopes. I like thinking in 10th's not 1/4's or 1/8th's.

If you study the subject of mils a little bit you'll find out that you rarely need to think in inches or feet. Instead you use the reticle as a measuring stick. Most use a laser range finder to give a distance and a dope card or app from the smart phone to give the come ups.

It couldn't be simpler! Example - Laser gives 500Y distance to funky marsupial, dope card or app gives 1.8 mils as the solution, you then dial 1.8 mils up or holdover with the reticle 1.8 mils, 1.8 mils is also 18 clicks. Using this example lets add into it a left to right wind of 7 mph. Dope card says (.5 mil/half mil/ 5 clicks = same/same/same) wind correction, aim into wind .5 mil by using the half mil mark in reticle as a measuring stick. So you don't think in inches or feet any more. There is no mystery to mils.

 

[Aussie game hunter2014]

Ok Thx a lot if I need help I know who to ask for it

 

[Kruger21]

1 mrad basically = 10cm @100mtr
1/10 of 1 Mrad = 1cm

scopes with 1/8" MOA adjustments have no place on a field rifle, not enough internal elevation, no one can hold 1/8"moa accuracy in the field.
For example to adjust a Mrad scope 2Mrad basically 0-400mtrs it's 20 clicks, to do the same on a 1/8" MOA scope is about 64 clicks

Because we use the metric system in Australia you'll take to Mrad like a duck to water once you get your head around the concept.

What rifle is the scope for? I use my 5-25 PMII's on say 300WM and above, on everything else i use Premier LT 3-15s now they are fantastic scopes and the best scopes i've ever used spotlighting too

 

[Aussie game hunter2014]

Hey

I was just shooting my 223 and my mate gave me a tasco 8-32x56 and I couldn't even get it on paper!! Do I moved out to 120 YDS and had a few shots and noticed it was shooting 2 feet to the left so I'm likeWTF!!!!
And the windage adjustment was all the way to the right I have no idea what happened there so I put my old scope back on and it was on paper first shot!! The tasco scope is in 1/8" increments and the other cheap trophy series scope is in 1/4":/:/:/
I dunno wether the scope is tasco is Fuked? Probs by I got it given to me but I dunno I'm just gunna haveto buy a kahles and new rifle hahaha

 

[Kruger21]

You should do it then!! There's a few nice custom rifles on "Used guns" at the moment!! fast twist 223 sounds perfect

 

[Aussie game hunter2014]

I'm liking the 22-250 ATM mate cuz I reload I can make up a recipe that will work to my specs so that should be fine and thanks to everyone that has given me advice over the last few days really is appreciated

 

[6.5 GUY]

How fuckin embarrassing. Corrected, thanks. Coffee first, then inerwebz.

0.1 milrad= 1 cm @ 100 m

Actually you were right since you had the decimal point on the left side! "mijp5" was playing a slight of hand card trick on you!

 

[Aussie game hunter2014]

Nice

 

[Aussie game hunter2014]

Hi can anyone rxplain to me how to use the mil4 kahles scope recticle? Like the range line or whatever they are

 

[Aussie game hunter2014]

Hey guys

I'm looking at the sako 85 varmint laminated in 22-250 it looks pretty good just wondering if anyone knows more about it than meand wether it would be worthwhile spending more coin on it rather than the super varmint?

Thx

 

[CSTactical]

Whatever one you get you will love. The SB is a rock solid scope with some of the best glass you can get. The Kahles k624i also offers the same and is lighter. I will be running a k624i on my new rifle.

If we can be of help let me know for we sale both scopes.


The Kahles K624i was the prototype.
Kahles K624i Video Review - YouTube

The S&B 3-20x50mm was a prototype.
Schmidt & Bender PMII 3-20x50 w/H58 - YouTube

Again both are great scope builders.

Mike CSTACTICAL

 

[427Cobra]

I would choose the one that has a lifetime warranty, and for the love of god stop assigning hard values to angular measurements, .1MRAD is just that at any distance.

 

[Aries64]

So guys

Guys!! I'm pullin my bloody hair out about MRAD"s and what it equals in cm? Like I know 1mrad =1/10 of a cm and 1/10 of a cm is one millimetre? So how is 1/8" more accurate than one mill?!! I'm confused if someone could explain the whole thing in noob language that would be great!!

Thx

For this discussion and to keep it simple for a "noob", I'm going to skip the esoterics about a milradian being 1/1000th of xyz as well as that a MRAD/MIL is an angular unit of measure while "CM" is a linear/lineal unit of measure. Angular and linear/lineal units of measure are completely different. However, to break it down into linear/lineal measurements for you: When it comes to riflescopes, scopes with adjustments marked in "0.1 MIL" or "1 CM" are calibrated so that a single click of an adjustment knob moves the point of impact (POI):


0.1 MIL (.36") at 100 yards


and


1 CM (.39") at 100 meters



Keith

 

[Aussie game hunter2014]

Ok thx a lot that's lots helpful I'm thinking h kahles scope it has 20-5.1 FOV which is lots nor wham the S&B which is what I want for hunting to pick up targets quicker

 

[CSTactical]

I would choose the one that has a lifetime warranty, and for the love of god stop assigning hard values to angular measurements, .1MRAD is just that at any distance.

That is a very good way to look at it.

Mike @ CSTACTICAL

 

[Aussie game hunter2014]

Thanks a lot guys? maybe i would be more comfortable with MOA recticle and turrets!