Larue- why did I do this again?

[elmuzzlebreak]

Best thing I've heard was when I was running my larue in a local match and a fellow larue owner commented how bad it was that my gun is so scratched up.

 

[regency]

I've been happy with my larue predatOBR 7.62. Now if they would only make me a 6.5creed barrel for it instead of the .260

It shoots incredibly tight and I don't really feel it is out-dated. The rail system is nice and light like the new Mlok stuff on the market. I do wish the lines on the upper and lower lined up better. I thought that was kind of odd, sure is a tight fit though.

I slowly abolished their mounts and have gone to sphur for everything.

 

[bfk4lyfe]

Their lack of 'in stock' and unknown lead times are lame, but I've never bought something online I needed yesterday anyway. And I wish Mark listened to what his customers wanted a little more, but I'm still a fan, not a blind fan but fan nonetheless. My tOBR converted to 260 (had to buy the barrel from the classifieds on arfcom, refer to 2nd complaint) is a hammer and I'd put it against anyone else's out there. I really don't know what's innovative or not, as a lefty all I needed to put on it was a $25 ambi safety and (still need to add) an ambi charging handle. What else does an AR10 really need? The barrel change system is easy, its never malfunctioned on me, the rounds go where their supposed to...maybe I'm missing something. A true adjustable gas block would be nice.

My 6.5 grendel UU kit is boringly reliable too. I guess if I had to nit pick the suppressor mount/break is really ugly.

The siete perpetually coming soon is a joke though.

 

[GBMaryland]

My unwanted 2 cents:

I purchased an original OBR 762 back before the tOBR was a thing. It's a great rifle and the tolerances are actually very good. (It's not a JP, but it's pretty damn good.)

Lockup on the 762 upper with the lower is tight... and it's a thing of beauty.

One day I was sitting around and said to myself "Self, what you need is one of those UU 65CM +2 uppers for your OBR. Yeah, that'll be fun..." and I ordered one.

It arrived on time (as it shipped right away), and I got to work assembling.

The single most massive issue is that unlike the original upper/lower lockup, the new upper has so much play it's not remotely possible to end up with decent accuracy. (More over, Larue uses a proprietary lower pin that prevents you from using other manufacturers slightly larger take down pins.)

When I called them, I got the run around... that is to say there was not interest in solving this issue. In fact, the person on the phone was clearly looking for BS reasons as to why it lockup was so poor. (The real reason appears to be that they've lowered their standards to "milspec" and you get what you get.) Their solution was to tell me to use an AccuWedge. ...and in order to get an AccuWedge to work on an AR-10, you have to sand the crap out of the wedge to fit it.

Frankly, I'm not really thrilled with Larue. Is it a great rifle... yeah, the 762 upper is. The 65CM upper... well, it's a beautifully manufactured piece.

 

[Triple D]

My tOBR converted to 260 (had to buy the barrel from the classifieds on arfcom, refer to 2nd complaint) is a hammer and I'd put it against anyone else's out there.

What exactly is a hammer to you? Does it go sub .75moa consistently? Sub .5moa?

 

[bfk4lyfe]

What exactly is a hammer to you? Does it go sub .75moa consistently? Sub .5moa?

Baited question because I know where its going, but I'll play. I've only shot a couple groups for the sake of shooting groups, I find it mind numbing. I've shot a .2665 three shot group and this unmeasured five shot group. I have no plans to do a 5x5, so infer from it what you want. Cherry picking? Maybe a little.

 

[Triple D]

Was legitimately just curious. How were the other groups, besides the two? I’ve seen a few good groups come out of those barrels, but it just wasn’t consistent. Some tended to walk a bit once warm.

 

[JeffLebowski]

My unwanted 2 cents:

I purchased an original OBR 762 back before the tOBR was a thing. It's a great rifle and the tolerances are actually very good. (It's not a JP, but it's pretty damn good.)

Lockup on the 762 upper with the lower is tight... and it's a thing of beauty.

One day I was sitting around and said to myself "Self, what you need is one of those UU 65CM +2 uppers for your OBR. Yeah, that'll be fun..." and I ordered one.

It arrived on time (as it shipped right away), and I got to work assembling.

The single most massive issue is that unlike the original upper/lower lockup, the new upper has so much play it's not remotely possible to end up with decent accuracy. (More over, Larue uses a proprietary lower pin that prevents you from using other manufacturers slightly larger take down pins.)

When I called them, I got the run around... that is to say there was not interest in solving this issue. In fact, the person on the phone was clearly looking for BS reasons as to why it lockup was so poor. (The real reason appears to be that they've lowered their standards to "milspec" and you get what you get.) Their solution was to tell me to use an AccuWedge. ...and in order to get an AccuWedge to work on an AR-10, you have to sand the crap out of the wedge to fit it.

Frankly, I'm not really thrilled with Larue. Is it a great rifle... yeah, the 762 upper is. The 65CM upper... well, it's a beautifully manufactured piece.

Upper and lower fit have nothing to do with accuracy.

 

[bfk4lyfe]

Was legitimately just curious. How were the other groups, besides the two? I’ve seen a few good groups come out of those barrels, but it just wasn’t consistent. Some tended to walk a bit once warm.

Probably around half with some at three quarter that I’d say are more me than anything. That five shot was shot at the end of the session. Barrel wasn’t piping hot but not cold either.

 

[GBMaryland]

Upper and lower fit have nothing to do with accuracy.

Yes and no... while its true that the optic / sights are in line with the barrel and that all happens in the upper...

If the slop between the upper and lower js significant enough, you’ll find you have issues.

 

[Triple D]

If the slop between the upper and lower js significant enough, you’ll find you have issues.

Yup.
If the barrel/upper can shift following ignition of the round, why would you expect it to hit where you were originally aiming?

 

[bigjake83]

Yup.
If the barrel/upper can shift following ignition of the round, why would you expect it to hit where you were originally aiming?

No more like it causes the shot to not break cleanly just like if you're not loading the bipod or shouldering the weapon properly, jerking the trigger.....

Basically like having your action screws loose in your chassis system on a bolt rifle.

 

[awpk03s]

I have a lot of Larue triggers and scope mounts, and have one of their 6.5CM upper kits and lowers. (Among kit from plenty of other mfg as well) I’m more than pleased with all of these products, and they were worth the price I paid.

But... They act like the backorder waiting game don’t be like it is, but yet it does.

Charge my card and make me wait forever without any communication or expectations given is screwed up.

I cancelled a suppressor order for this same reason.

If you want or need it quickly or reasonably - then look elsewhere more often than not.

 

[DuneShoot]

What exactly is a hammer to you? Does it go sub .75moa consistently? Sub .5moa?

My 260 shoots consistently well. Any 'thrown' shots are all me.
On a side note my 260 upper/lower fit is not super tight. All other Larue's are tight.
100 yards:

Missed the 1st shot and a few at the end. 535 yards. Listen for the hits:

 

[DuneShoot]

Larue Grendel, boring at 500:

 

[Kpchurch]

I’m currently sitting just over 19 weeks (134 days) on my 22” 6.5 tOBR order and it’s a bit frustrating. No idea how much longer my wait will be at this point. My guess is some time within the next 1-30 weeks

Wonder what wait times are running right now

 

[regency]

I’m currently sitting just over 19 weeks (134 days) on my 22” 6.5 tOBR order and it’s a bit frustrating. No idea how much longer my wait will be at this point. My guess is some time within the next 1-30 weeks

Wonder what wait times are running right now

Dang, I would cancel and pick another competitors product. Tons of good choices out there.

 

[smacha538]

Dang, I would cancel and pick another competitors product. Tons of good choices out there.

No doubt. I’ve done it before. Love larue, but we are talking about AR15/10’s. No reason to have to wait that long.

 

[Scotts556]

It's just the way Larue does it. Accept it, as frustrating as it is, and you'll get a quality product.
I ordered the grendel kit on Christmas day. Got the upper a couple months later but still no lower. I've been using it on another lower and got a load somewhat figured out.

That's like saying your waiting to get to bang the hot chick after the other guy first. It neither gonna be worth the way or fresh and new.

ML is being kept alive with a cult like fan base. His products are old. And he thinks smarter than everyone else. He came out with that C.A.N. mounts after he lost a .mil submission cause the end user had stated they wanted tool less mounts.

Scott

 

[slothlacrosse]

About 7 years ago, my rail wasn’t timing correctly. I spent a few minutes on the phone talking to a guy who identified the problem and asked me for my address. They sent me the replacement parts I needed, a handful of bumper stickers, Dillo dust, a bottle opener, one hundred pocket constitutions, and a DVD from a 2010 sniper competition at no charge.

The experience changed my life. My rail isn’t canted, all my bottles are open, and everything I cook delicious. And I don’t want to brag, but my sex life improved 10x once I put a “God Bless Our Troops. Especially Out Snipers” sticker on my Geo Metro. It’s weird at first, but eventually you don’t even notice the whiskers.

 

[GBMaryland]

On the flip side, my original OBR is a well made and put together rifle. The 6.5 upper they sold me, on the other hand, has a ton of slop when put on the lower, crazy amount.

Laure’s response to complete difference between the two: “Its MILSPEC; get an accuwedge.”

JP from now on....

 

[Ben17]

Sold my Predatobr... barley shot an MOA... and it made you work for it. But also seen OBRs and other preds shoot lights out...

 

[Middle Man]

They sell a damn fine hat...

 

[mgrs]

On the flip side, my original OBR is a well made and put together rifle. The 6.5 upper they sold me, on the other hand, has a ton of slop when put on the lower, crazy amount.

I am not sure it is fair to expect a box of budget parts to be the same as an individually-fitted rifle costing more than twice as much, even if they are from the same manufacturer.

 

[MontanaMan]

Larue = Arrogance personified.

MM

 

[Kadams1563]

Is this 2001 again? Who buys Laure anymore.

I would not buy anything he makes. Seen too many of his business practices to know better.

 

[GBMaryland]

I am not sure it is fair to expect a box of budget parts to be the same as an individually-fitted rifle costing more than twice as much, even if they are from the same manufacturer.

So, Larue builds me a 6.5CM upper for an OBR lower (also Larue)... and that’s a budget part that shouldn’t be expected mate properly on their lower??

Seriously?

 

[101stinfantry]

I've never owned a Larue part, and I never will. I just don't like the owner. There are alternatives.....................

 

[CBDR]

The guy is a dick. His products are dated in many places.

Also, the 5 6.5 Grendel UU/lower setups we bought are all tight fitting, good shooting, reliable guns for $1050 and the rail interface they use is so stiff we never lose laser zero for night stuff.

And his triggers at that price point are THE baseline.

If he had to change his business model to please you folks...in order to make money....I’m sure he would.

Instead he’s a millionaire and most of you probably aren’t.

10-4 Brother my 6.5G had an issue. I mailed it back. They fixed it and she is a hammer. Hogs hate Larue

 

[GBMaryland]

10-4 Brother my 6.5G had an issue. I mailed it back. They fixed it and she is a hammer. Hogs hate Larue

I can’t complain about the OBR in 7.62... it’s .5 moa all day, and I suck at automatics... but the 6.5 upper and their response was a disappointment.

 

[Shoots 700's]

no fan boy, but I have a 308 OBR that I bought in 2012 and it shoots great

 

[JeffLebowski]

On the flip side, my original OBR is a well made and put together rifle. The 6.5 upper they sold me, on the other hand, has a ton of slop when put on the lower, crazy amount.

Laure’s response to complete difference between the two: “Its MILSPEC; get an accuwedge.”

JP from now on....

So, is it safe to assume that you’re not posting groups? I mean, because upper/lower fit is so paramount to accuracy.

 

[GBMaryland]

So, is it safe to assume that you’re not posting groups? I mean, because upper/lower fit is so paramount to accuracy.

7.62 fit is flawless

6.5CM there is about 3mm of play... you can see light through it easily. That kind of slip absolutely affect accuracy.

 

[308pirate]

ML is a fucking loser.

See and that attitude is what cost larue some DOD Contracts. ML needs to pull is head out his ass and spend less time on ARFCOM. Maybe his wife wouldn't of left him.

scott

How are Larue's business practices, success, or lack thereof any concern of yours?

GTFO..........

 

[mgrs]

So, Larue builds me a 6.5CM upper for an OBR lower (also Larue)... and that’s a budget part that shouldn’t be expected mate properly on their lower??

Seriously?

If by "mate properly" you mean that the takedown pins insert without being hammered and the rifle cycles without malfunctions yes, I think it does mate properly.

Assuming this was a UU kit? If so they are batch made to function on a variety of lowers over which LT has no control.

However, if it does have 3mm of daylight between the upper and lower, that is incredible and more than I have seen on anything. 1mm is pretty normal on old mil guns, 3mm is quite a lot. Picture of this would be interesting.

 

[Triple D]

If by "mate properly" you mean that the takedown pins insert without being hammered and the rifle cycles without malfunctions yes, I think it does mate properly.

Assuming this was a UU kit? If so they are batch made to function on a variety of lowers over which LT has no control.

There’s two options for the large frames, DPMS or LaRue/M110. If he’s putting it on an OBR lower, that’s a LaRue receiver.
Has LaRue changed his lower specs from the older OBRs?

 

[craigos]

With larue I call to check availability before ordering.
They need to update their site with real-time stock status.

It is nearly the year 2020 ... this is pretty commonly avail software for this. I love my OBR ( I lucked out and my 762 OBR shoots amazing with FGMM - .3-.4 moa 5 shot groups all day long) ,but these guys can be a PITA. There are a few other companies out there in this industry who do the same.

 

[GBMaryland]

If by "mate properly" you mean that the takedown pins insert without being hammered and the rifle cycles without malfunctions yes, I think it does mate properly.

Assuming this was a UU kit? If so they are batch made to function on a variety of lowers over which LT has no control.

However, if it does have 3mm of daylight between the upper and lower, that is incredible and more than I have seen on anything. 1mm is pretty normal on old mil guns, 3mm is quite a lot. Picture of this would be interesting.

So that's correct...

That there is enough play in the mating of the upper and lower receivers that they takedown pin, when inserted, leaves a ridiculous amount of play between the two.

I'm pretty sure I was clear about that.

If I sand down an accuwedge enough to get it into the action, then the slop isn't as actively an issue (it's still far from perfect).

Where it's really noticeable is if you put a bipod on the upper... you just get an insane amount of movement between the upper and lower.

If the UU 6.5CM was intended to be used on a Larue OBR lower, it's ANYTHING but a proper fit.

More to the point, they sure was hell weren't making it clear that this would be the situation.

They made a fairly flippant remark "You should just buy another lower." Along with the relative shrug of a comment "Use an accuwedge..."

Not to mention that the take down pins in a Larue are different than other companies.... in that the pins are smaller on one side... so you can't use a slightly larger pin.

 

[chevy_man]

Their triggers are great. Honestly the only thing I've bought from them have been triggers, other than slings and other stuff they don't actually make.

 

[GBMaryland]

I bought a ton of their triggers... i agree, they are a pretty good deal.

 

[Docsherm]

The trigger are good, my go to. I still will only use the LaRue Optic mounts. Their rails are also the only rail i will use if I have a laser.

 

[Kpchurch]

Just read in another forum the 6.5 tober doesn’t come with the PST gas block like the others. My order was placed was placed 6 months ago. Thinking of calling Monday morning and canceling.

 

[JWG]

I am not a LaRue fan, but their MBT2S is the best trigger I've used, so I buy them.

 

[elmuzzlebreak]

Triggers are good...ML seems more about posting videos of his trout than pushing out new products that stay relevant.

 

[Strykervet]

Never gets old.

Classic 'Hide...

If it hadn't been for Laure's fucked up wait times and billing methods and just "fuck you" attitude, I may have been stuck with an OBR instead of the KAC SR25 I'm very happy with. Thanks Larue!

 

[srt-4_uk]

I am not a LaRue fan, but their MBT2S is the best trigger I've used, so I buy them.

You must have used some shitty triggers. They are good for the money but far from the best.

 

[JWG]

You must have used some shitty triggers. They are good for the money but far from the best.

My only other experience are various mil-spec, and Geissele triggers. Also, custom 1911's, but that's kindof another class.

 

[Qazwsx]

I waited 11 months for a predatobr but it’s still a good gun. I don’t think they ready push to innovation envelope too much though.

 

[KaRwithaScar]

I've been happy with my larue predatOBR 7.62. Now if they would only make me a 6.5creed barrel for it instead of the .260

It shoots incredibly tight and I don't really feel it is out-dated. The rail system is nice and light like the new Mlok stuff on the market. I do wish the lines on the upper and lower lined up better. I thought that was kind of odd, sure is a tight fit though.

I slowly abolished their mounts and have gone to sphur for everything.

I actually love Larue mounting systems. Curious to know how you compare them to the sphur products? thanks

 

[Kpchurch]

I canceled my 22” 6.5 PredatOBR order after waiting +6 months. Once I found out that their 6.5 PredatOBR doesn’t come with the PST gas block like the other PredatOBR’s. Not sure why they would remove it?¿?

Ended up switching lanes and ordered a bolt action that was “In Stock”. I’m pretty pumped & waiting for delivery to my FFL now.

6.5 Creedmoor
MPA Pro Comp Chassis
Impact Precision Action
26" - M24 contour Bartlein Barrel
TriggerTech Diamond Trigger