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I blacked out his significant others face out of respect but apparently living the high life while owing people a bunch of money that he scammed is ok....
Update - asked someone in the know (maybe he'll comment after with more info), but it sounds like the ATF has given Leviathan a deadline to pay every one back, if this deadline is not meet, federal charges will proceed.
Update - asked someone in the know (maybe he'll comment after with more info), but it sounds like the ATF has given Leviathan a deadline to pay every one back, if this deadline is not meet, federal charges will proceed.
Update - asked someone in the know (maybe he'll comment after with more info), but it sounds like the ATF has given Leviathan a deadline to pay every one back, if this deadline is not meet, federal charges will proceed.
The fact he owes money would need to be dealt with in civil court, and the ATF can't force him to pay. If a crime did occur, they may have some flexibility on how hard they are on him and when charges are pressed. Perhaps if Chris can show that he's made everyone whole again, they will offer some leniency.
That’s great! Hopefully mine is here soon!I received a PayPal echeck payment from Chris today. Friend received his a actual funds, not echeck. I’ll be waiting for mine to clear.
Idk of anyone else got this today but myself and another customer get identical text...
From Chris......
Two options:
Work with me a little longer (I’m expecting to get paid this week, took awhile to get it put together)
Or:
I can file bankruptcy and you don’t get anything.
Whatcha thinking?
To the people who are owed money I would file a small claims suit against him personally. It's only couple hundred bucks to do so, this way it will get in front of a judge.
Upon ruling in your favor the courts will garnish any income he receives, put liens on property he owns, or it will Force him into bankruptcy.
Best of luck.
I can't speak for other states than, I apologize.Really? Very few states allow you to garnish wages. And the courts don't collect the judgment, you, the plaintiff (or your attorney), have to do it. And why is forcing Leviathan into bankruptcy the endgame?
I was wondering if people could give a little background on how they are getting money back.
Are you getting 100%, or 50% refunds back?
Are the people who are getting refunds people who earlier requested a cancellation or had a Form 3 processed, and approved without any suppressor being manufactured?
How were you able to get contact with Chris Adolphson?
I just can't get any contact with Leviathan. At this rate I have $1,145 stolen from me.
I don’t know who’s getting refunds specifically or how he is selecting who gets what. I had a 50% cert and paid the other 50% back in October of 2018. That’s all I can tell you regarding my situation.
I’m in the same boat with a cert, but I paid in April of 18
Has anyone received a refund that has cleared and is no longer in pending status? What is the type of transaction that is being used for the repayment?... like what's it listed as?
I'm very confused as to why the refunds are going through Paypal because their policy is not gun friendly and clearly states that: https://www.paypal.com/us/smarthelp...-on-transactions-that-involve-firearms-faq585
I would think since the money wasn't collected via paypal, then it wouldn't be such an issue. But it's odd that the refunds aren't being repaid in the same manner in which payments were collected.
Most merchant accounts only allow straight refunds for a set time. Also he may have lost his merchant account with all the issues here. No matter how you get your money consider yourself lucky. That said PP, likes to dick around on e-checks. I have the option of switching that off on my business account, which I did, because they always take time to clear.
So in short it sounds like a normal delay.
Thanks for that insight!
Not sure why the refunds are selective. Should be in the order of payment.
He dug himself quite the hole.
My refund cleared echeck status this morning.
Nice!
From the article posted above, it sounds like you are one of the lucky ones. I don’t imagine everyone will get their money. And not in a timely fashion.
While that would be nice, I don’t think the ATF has the authority to do that or enforce such a deadline. Monetary restitution would have to come in the form of a court Order I thought. Maybe someone can educate me.
This sucks for Chris. I was liking his product but unfortunately looked like his manufacturing backlog was his detrimental downfall.
Yes, I think I would feel the same way if I had paid and not received a product. I’m just an outside bystander reading this thread I startedIt doesn’t suck for Chris. It sucks for the people that wanted to give him a shot as a small, up and coming business by giving him their money. He intentionally defrauded people and is only repaying because that’s his only saving grace at the moment. He made it right, but I have zero sympathy for him.
Yes, I think I would feel the same way if I had paid and not received a product. I’m just an outside bystander reading this thread I started