Look up "badass" in the dictionary, and there's a picture of Marcus Lutrell next to it. I hope this movie does him and all the operators of Operation Redwing justice. "Lone Survivor" top 5 best books I've ever read. We'll see if Hollywood can make a movie out of it without fucking it up!
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Yeah. I'm making it up. Los Angeles is not full of liberals. Cali doesn't have some of the most strict, ridiculous gun laws. Just a figment of my imagination.
bought the book a few days ago...read the intro and first chapter...so far so good!
cant wait for the movie
cant wait for the movie
I agree completely. The "tactics" may have been "correct," but the--I hesitate to call it dialogue--well, the parts where someone was talking made me cringe.
Also, I'd like to make one point about the righting-off of a movie that isn't even finished yet, and that, consequently, none of us have seen. A movie is a product, just like anything else. Who cares what a person's political views are if he keeps them out of his product? (For instance, Matt Damon bothered me by making his anti-fracking movie: he didn't keep his views out of the product. But, then again, he never pretended he didn't have an agenda in that movie, so what the hell.) If the movie stays true to the book (and we have no indication that it won't, other than conjecture), then who cares?
The only reason I can see to hate the entire movie industry over politics is this: they use money earned from these movies to fund liberal non-profits and to donate to the campaign funds of liberal politicians. Okay, I concede that point, but offer a counter point: so do teachers' unions, and academia in general, and General Electric. Will you tell us all to drop out of high school and college, or destroy all of our G.E. appliances, because we might be inadvertently funding Obama? If you're gonna take that line, it ain't as simple as purging your DVD collection of everything but John Wayne.
Perhaps I'm just biased because I genuinely love watching movies, but I just finished reading the idiocy that was the Zero Dark Thirty thread, and this is bothering me at the moment.
The only reason I can see to hate the entire movie industry over politics is this: they use money earned from these movies to fund liberal non-profits and to donate to the campaign funds of liberal politicians. Okay, I concede that point, but offer a counter point: so do teachers' unions, and academia in general, and General Electric. Will you tell us all to drop out of high school and college, or destroy all of our G.E. appliances, because we might be inadvertently funding Obama? If you're gonna take that line, it ain't as simple as purging your DVD collection of everything but John Wayne.
Perhaps I'm just biased because I genuinely love watching movies, but I just finished reading the idiocy that was the Zero Dark Thirty thread, and this is bothering me at the moment.
When your in the spotlight it's easy to voice your opinion, we would all do it if we had a chance. It's a few people at the top in Hollywood that can make some noise. Trust me we are not all a bunch of commie gun grabbers here in Cali or Hollywood.
On another note I believe there was a SF or Navy Seal team during the first Gulf War that decided not to fire on some goat herders. What ensued after was complete chaos of which they were able to walk away from for the most part. The interview with the CO of the mission revealed they just simply didn't want to kill extra people if they didn't have too, no avoidance of persecution syndrome.
I believe that in general this highlights the spirit of our troops, they maintain the high ground when possible. Not something the enemy does over there, there are no rules with them. Many of them are doped up and have no issue with using women and children as devices.
I'd have to re-read the book to be sure, but, if I remember right, Luttrell was blaming society's general squeamishness as evidenced by liberals in the media who would've crucified them for killing the goatherds. There was a paragraph there where he remembers asking himself what his heroes would have done (I know he mentioned G.S. Patton, maybe others, too), and came to the conclusion that they would have killed the goatherds to save the mission. It seemed to me he was bemoaning the trend in our culture that recoils from brutality in something so inherently brutal as war, and pointing to the media's attitudes as evidence.
I agree with you there, our boys most definitely have the moral high ground. But I can't help remembering how the British were slaughtered during the Revolution because they were trying to maintain the moral high ground. At the time it was immoral to hide behind trees and to snipe at officers, yet we did it because we typically lacked the strength, firepower, and training to meet the British on open ground. They maintained the moral high ground, and they lost.
And yet. . . were I placed in Luttrell's situation, I don't think I would have killed them, either.
I believe you are thinking of an SAS mission, in which they went in unprepared for the weather and were almost immediately compromised.
Two books written on it by two different participants.
"Bravo Two Zero" by Andy McNabb
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"The One that Got Away", I can't remember the name of the author, but he became separated from the group and walked out.
Several of the team died. This author lays much of the blame on McNabb.
Read both, both are good books, both are factual but from different perspectives.
Im familiar with the Bravo SAS thing. This was an American mission I am thinking of, the troops in question had to call in an air strike right on their position. But very similar circumstances tho.
Just figured I would mention it because it doesn't get a lot of attention, but pick up "victory point". It's about operation whalers and should be read in conjunction with Luttrell's book.
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Ahhhhh, yeah it helps to read the entire thread, doesn't it. LOL and my bad. Im sure you could tell us if that was Army SF or Seals? Thanks.
Ah, that explains it. You know, when I hear the oft-referenced "Hollywood liberal types" complain that the military tell kids that war is just like Call of Duty, that it's all fun and games and adventure and jumping out of airplanes. When I see movies like Act of Valor come out, and can kind of see where they're coming from. That movie made war look fun.
I've been eagerly awaiting for this. When I first heard Marky Mark was in it I was a little skeptical but knowing that Luttrell apparently had a lot of the final say with how this was to turn out it should be good.
It's been several years since I read Lone Survivor but it seems like they were much less worried about Nanci Pelosi and Michael Moore and more worried about the lawyers critiquing every detail and decision of their mission. He says something like "in the end we were more afraid of the lawyers back home than the Taliban and their supporters." Of course the liberal media has a lot of power to influence public opinion and perception, and thus can also influence policy, so maybe that's what you are getting at Dogtown?
Anyways, it was not an easy choice either way. Not to armchair quarterback, but it seems like a good compromise would have been to zip-tie them and leave them behind a rock? Would not be as permanent as eliminating them but would have bought them more time than what they got by just letting them go. I wasn't there and have never been in combat so I can't say what the best thing would have been, just wondered why they didn't do that.
I believe that was an option they discussed but they were worried that all the mountain goats would be just standing there and that sooner or later someone would look up the mountain and wonder what was up with the goats and come looking.
was a bad deal all the way around and turned out horrible.
Yes, that's what I remember as being what they said too, they worried about the goats running around loose giving them away. I just thought the chances of the goats being noticed would take more time than the herders running straight down to the village. Again, much easier to reason this all through knowing the outcome and sitting on my butt in front of a desk.
Yeah it looked WAY different than the landscape I pictured in my mind when reading the book. Not even close really.
I always hear, 1 part of it looks like the mountains (hills, trees, snow), 1 part looks like your typical desert and 1 part looks like Mars.
I know what I'm watching tonight...
I was going to say a smartass comment but I am just jealous hahaha. Give us your honest review after please.
December is Hollywood lobbying season, so if you've been in the movie business a while, especially as a member of a guild or the Academy, you get bombarded with screeners like this and invited to special screenings, all in an attempt to convince you to vote for their film when it's up for awards. I'm just impressed they sent this thing all the way to New Zealand.
Well guys, time to quit worrying about this movie.
This film is really well done and most importantly faithfully tells the story we all know and honors the participants. It's realistic to the point where I honestly think the family members of the fallen will want to avoid watching it until they really think they're ready. The intro is a nice bit for the uninitiated and anyone who's been to a SOF selection will appreciate it. Some key people make cameos and they aren't cheesy either. There are no glaring errors, just little bits and pieces that are easy to ignore. My only complaint is that after making such a perfect opening and middle act, they really embellish the third act in a negative way, in my opinion. Guns and gear are good for the most part and the actors do a great job portraying the men. They have some really nice touches that will mean more in the years to come; lots of cultural references to the timeframe. The end credits is exactly what you would want and expect of such a film.
Overall I think the guys in the Teams will be really proud of this film - it makes "Act of Valor" look like the silly Call of Duty-esque film that it is. This is the best film about soldiers fighting in the GWOT so far and may be one of the best films of its kind in decades. I see a lot of drinks being bought for Peter Berg whenever he pops into bars in San Diego and Virginia Beach.
This film is really well done and most importantly faithfully tells the story we all know and honors the participants. It's realistic to the point where I honestly think the family members of the fallen will want to avoid watching it until they really think they're ready. The intro is a nice bit for the uninitiated and anyone who's been to a SOF selection will appreciate it. Some key people make cameos and they aren't cheesy either. There are no glaring errors, just little bits and pieces that are easy to ignore. My only complaint is that after making such a perfect opening and middle act, they really embellish the third act in a negative way, in my opinion. Guns and gear are good for the most part and the actors do a great job portraying the men. They have some really nice touches that will mean more in the years to come; lots of cultural references to the timeframe. The end credits is exactly what you would want and expect of such a film.
Overall I think the guys in the Teams will be really proud of this film - it makes "Act of Valor" look like the silly Call of Duty-esque film that it is. This is the best film about soldiers fighting in the GWOT so far and may be one of the best films of its kind in decades. I see a lot of drinks being bought for Peter Berg whenever he pops into bars in San Diego and Virginia Beach.
Just got back from a screening of the film, and yeah, it's an instant classic. Everything you hope it will be, it is. I would agree with Dogtown in that the third act perhaps isn't handled as well as it could have been. It def is missing the nuances of the first two thirds of the film and feels a bit rushed. I think they could have used an extra 20 minutes to do it justice. That said, in no way does it detract from the film overall, and yes, it makes Act of Valor comical.
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I know what I'm watching tonight...
I see your bastardry, and rise it to double bastardry! Ha-ha!…. now I assume the Captain Morgan pose..
Dude, first you get an SRS like me, then you go and do this?! I saw this movie once before, when it was called "Single White Female"
Haha, creepy.. now you have to get a Sako..
Anyone see the HBO specials? I missed the first and saw the last part of the 2nd. I hope they replay them.
I thought it was pretty good. I like the fact that the equipment looked used and not all pristine as it does in some films. Lot's of real seal cameos. But yeah third act was rushed and pretty Hollywood.
I loved the book but won't watch the movie because of mark wahlberg being extremely anti gun. You guys may enjoy watching him shoot shit but he uses his money and influence to work against gun owners.
