Long action? Or Short action?

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    Pardon the newbie question..
    I am buying my first Rem700, and Im confused on the long/short action. Here is the exact model I am getting. MODEL 700™ SPS™ TACTICAL AAC®-SD™. I will be adding an AICS stock and I see there are options for long or short actions. Can someone please explain the difference of the 2 and also tell me if the 700 listed here is long or short?

    Thanks for yall time!
     
    Re: Long action? Or Short action?

    Long action are for longer rounds such as 30-06, 300WM, 338 LM etc

    Short action are rounds such as 308, 260 270 <span style="font-weight: bold">wsm </span> , 223 <span style="text-decoration: line-through">233</span> etc.

    I think the 700 AAC is offered in 308 in which case that would be a short action.
     
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    What caliber are you buying for the SPS?

    I don't know if they offer the AAC-SD in anything other than a 308 but what are getting?

    If it's a 308 you will be getting a short action. If it's a 300 WM that's a long action.
     
    Re: Long action? Or Short action?

    The above is correct. Remington's website shows this model is only available in 308, which is short action.

    That will be a nice setup... be sure to post pics!
     
    Re: Long action? Or Short action?

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Anchor Zero Six</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Long action are for longer rounds such as 30-06, 300WM, 338 LM etc

    Short action are rounds such as 308, 260 270, 233 etc.

    I think the 700 AAC is offered in 308 in which case that would be a short action. </div></div>

    270 is LA
     
    Re: Long action? Or Short action?

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tigerfan9</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Anchor Zero Six</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Long action are for longer rounds such as 30-06, 300WM, 338 LM etc

    Short action are rounds such as 308, 260 270, 233 etc.

    I think the 700 AAC is offered in 308 in which case that would be a short action. </div></div>

    270 is LA </div></div>

    What's 233?
     
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    Skip the AICS and get a McRees' folding. ROCK SOLID and afew hundred less. Have an 700 AAC action in a Mcrees, shoots great. My .02.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Spaceman_Spiff</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A .308 SA is actually slightly more accurate than a .308 LA </div></div>

    Care to explain that? Assuming all things being equal in regards to squareness and concentricity there should be no difference.

    Probably best to PM as the OP just wanted to know what ACIS stock to order for his AAC.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Spaceman_Spiff</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you want a .308, go with a Short Action. A .308 SA is actually slightly more accurate than a .308 LA</div></div>
    Im sorry but i must disagree with this statement. I think it boils down to components and shooter. I picked up a LA locally for dirt cheap and am building a 308 la 18" barrel for a truck gun. I own both in 308 already la and sa for target guns and dont find much of a difference in the length of actions, I really like to be able to let the big pills hang out of the brass in my la rifle
     
    Re: Long action? Or Short action?

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shootindude</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Spaceman_Spiff</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you want a .308, go with a Short Action. A .308 SA is actually slightly more accurate than a .308 LA</div></div>
    Im sorry but i must disagree with this statement. I think it boils down to components and shooter. I picked up a LA locally for dirt cheap and am building a 308 la 18" barrel for a truck gun. I own both in 308 already la and sa for target guns and dont find much of a difference in the length of actions, I really like to be able to let the big pills hang out of the brass in my la rifle </div></div>

    the theory is the short action is stiffer, goes with the theory single shot is stiffer (no magazine cutout), goes with short barrel is stiffer than long, goes with the theory a short column of powder burns more consistently than long

    a lot of splitting hairs that is hard to prove at the target

    mostly it is folks getting into the go around that if your weiner is bigger than mine I must prove that somehow mine is still better
     
    Re: Long action? Or Short action?

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: George63</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shootindude</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Spaceman_Spiff</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you want a .308, go with a Short Action. A .308 SA is actually slightly more accurate than a .308 LA</div></div>
    Im sorry but i must disagree with this statement. I think it boils down to components and shooter. I picked up a LA locally for dirt cheap and am building a 308 la 18" barrel for a truck gun. I own both in 308 already la and sa for target guns and dont find much of a difference in the length of actions, I really like to be able to let the big pills hang out of the brass in my la rifle </div></div>

    the theory is the short action is stiffer, goes with the theory single shot is stiffer (no magazine cutout), goes with short barrel is stiffer than long, goes with the theory a short column of powder burns more consistently than long

    a lot of splitting hairs that is hard to prove at the target

    mostly it is folks getting into the go around that if your weiner is bigger than mine I must prove that somehow mine is still better </div></div>
    LOL awesome
    Speaking from personal experience, I love long action 308s for single round feeding. The one negative that sometimes showed it's ugly head though, rounds sometimes nose dived on me while feeding from the internal magazine and I had to perform corrective actions.
    Most of the time when this happend I was rushing and did not seat them properly fully to the rear in the magazine. Newbie error at the time. Which do I prefer, as with anything shooter preference in my humble opinion. The one plus about having a 308 in LA. If you ever decide to bump up in caliber, you already own the action. My 2 pennies
     
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    All things being equal I think a 308 on a short action would be slightly more accurate.

    A short action will be stiffer, and the stiffer the action the less flex, and thus better accuracy. But yeah, very hard to prove when you have a SA 308 shooting a 1/4 MOA group and a LA 308 Shooting a 1/4MOA group.

    But in theory the short would be a little stronger/stiffer
     
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    Lots of great info here! Thanks to all! Yes, its the AAC .308
    I plan on getting the rifle,base, and rings first. Then the scope. (Either NF 5.5x22 or 8x32.) And lastly the AICS 2.0. It will be a great rifle to learn and grow to become better and better.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: madppcs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lots of great info here! Thanks to all! Yes, its the AAC .308
    I plan on getting the rifle,base, and rings first. Then the scope. (Either NF 5.5x22 or 8x32.) And lastly the AICS 2.0. It will be a great rifle to learn and grow to become better and better. </div></div>
    before you buy a stock go around and try to get a feel. As many people love the aics an equal amount hate it. Only you know what feels right to you
     
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    Thanks once more to this forum I took a trip down the rabit hole.

    Since jcvibby's post I read yesterday I got to researching this further by means of our freinds at google and a stockpile of PS magazine.

    Wadding through boundless articles from sources catering to that boring disipline of Benchrest the verdict is clear...there is no verdict!

    Not one source I could find could provide definitive hard data to support one way or the other. For the most part even the proponents of short actions state that the advantage will only be appreciated if using a tailored cartridge such as 6xc or 6br which also goes along with the notion of powder burn colums which IMO has more merit. So in regards to a seems like it wouldnt even be perceivable. There is also an opposite camp that beleives the long actions firing pin length and mass increase locktime and provide a more predictable ignition and therefore is inherently more accurate.

    Going to chalk this up to be in the same catagory as barrel flutes as there are those who feel strongly on both sides.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoilerUP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hasn't the US Army's M24 proven the 7.62x51 to be plenty accurate on a long action?</div></div>

    Yes. But the m24s reason behind the long action design is for interchangeability to .300WM when needed, which IIRC the M24s are going through right now. The m24 has one of the longest confirmed 7.62x51mm kills at 1250m (1367yds)
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: popeye089</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: madppcs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lots of great info here! Thanks to all! Yes, its the AAC .308
    I plan on getting the rifle,base, and rings first. Then the scope. (Either NF 5.5x22 or 8x32.) And lastly the AICS 2.0. It will be a great rifle to learn and grow to become better and better. </div></div>
    before you buy a stock go around and try to get a feel. As many people love the aics an equal amount hate it. Only you know what feels right to you </div></div>

    I wish I could find a local dealer near me in Louisiana that has AICS stocks so I can give one a (Test Drive) lol
     
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    Think I saw one on the wall last episode of Sons of Guns...real "Game Changer"
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: para1505</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Blackops2, The M24 was actually at first to be a 30 06. thats why the long action. The 300WM was a after thought.</div></div>

    My mistake i didn't know that.