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we will know tomorrow when most dealers can list it.Well, listed at 2999 it should have a street price of about $2600 or so?
Great folks to buy fromWe will post impressions later, but they are very positive so farThese will sell like crazy!
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Vortex Impact 4000 Ballistic Laser Range Finder
CS Tactical - High Quality Optics including Zero Compromise Optics, ZCO, Zcompoptic, MRAD, 20 MOA. See our selection and get expert advice on the perfect scope for you.cstactical.com
We have a few of them right now...
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so it doesn't run AB or connect to kestrel??
It runs Geoballistics but it can connect to a kestrel as well.
So I can range to the kestrel and display the ab solution on the vortex?
This is what I was looking for. It eludes to, but is not clear it will use my connected kestrel as the ballistic solver.WeatherAmbient temperature, absolute pressure, and relative humidity can be manually entered, or obtained by the Impact® 4000, a Kestrel®, a WeatherFlow®, or a nearby airport. Density altitude can be manually entered or obtained from the Kestrel® when connected to the GeoBallistics® App.
Replying to my own question as I found some answers on the following threads. For me, this product might not be real useful. Might be useful for you.So, I’m not a military guy, and I have a general question on the value or use case of a weapon-mounted LRF.
Is such a thing best for solo guys who don’t have time to use a bino LRF? And/or those who must remain on the gun?
For me, pdog shooting, I am stationary and scan with LRF 15x or 10x binos way more than I am looking through the scope. Looking through the scope that long would wear me the eff out.
Just an info-gathering question.
based on the below it looks like this product will NOT use the kestrel for a ballistic solver. This is going to be a big miss. This product for me hinges on the ability to ADD to my current ballistic solutions I have no interest in adding in a new ballistic solver in my very well-working network (sig 5k, 5700 & HUD). I imagine others will feel similarly who have already spend this amount on their current proven ballistic solutions.This is what I was looking for. It eludes to, but is not clear it will use my connected kestrel as the ballistic solver.
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10/10, would recommendI'm eagerly awaiting some reviews!
based on the below it looks like this product will NOT use the kestrel for a ballistic solver. This is going to be a big miss. This product for me hinges on the ability to ADD to my current ballistic solutions I have no interest in adding in a new ballistic solver in my very well-working network (sig 5k, 5700 & HUD). I imagine others will feel similarly who have already spend this amount on their current proven ballistic solutions.
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It went to shit about 3 weeks before this thing came out. I have both a SiCo radius and the now Vortex one.This is really interesting.
About time someone came out with a weapon mounted LRF that isn't crazy expensive.
I imagine the SiCo Radius resale market just went to shit...
It went to shit about 3 weeks before this thing came out. I have both a SiCo radius and the now Vortex one.
The vortex, of course, beats the SiCo.
And I'm sure all the Wilcox Raptar snobs and/or L3 Storm boys will shit on everyone saying stuff like
ItS nOt ThE sAmE!!!111 BeAm DiVeRgEnCe!!!111 and shit, but it's a different market.
The vortex is clearly for the tactical games crowd, thermal hunters, and others that DON'T want to drop 10k on a unit that might or might not hold zero, vs this, where it's not the complete cost of a thermal or other scope, and it's ok if you break it because vortex will warranty it.
We will post impressions later, but they are very positive so farThese will sell like crazy!
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Vortex Impact 4000 Ballistic Laser Range Finder
CS Tactical - High Quality Optics including Zero Compromise Optics, ZCO, Zcompoptic, MRAD, 20 MOA. See our selection and get expert advice on the perfect scope for you.cstactical.com
We have a few of them right now...
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MAP is 2k, Everywhere I see they are selling for about that much. Or 1/5 of a Raptar.Well, listed at 2999 it should have a street price of about $2600 or so?
Well, listed at 2999 it should have a street price of about $2600 or so?
I see nothing to complain about. It uses Geo Ballistics which works great. I see no practical difference between it and AB for my uses. I have not asked but I bet the new Vortex Military LRF scope uses Geo Ballistics so it’s proven fairly well to me
I see this as best/most economical solution to get weapon mounted LRF on a field weapon
It’s one step from automatic adjustments on a scope. I love the direction
I see nothing to complain about. It uses Geo Ballistics which works great. I see no practical difference between it and AB for my uses. I have not asked but I bet the new Vortex Military LRF scope uses Geo Ballistics so it’s proven fairly well to me
I see this as best/most economical solution to get weapon mounted LRF on a field weapon
It’s one step from automatic adjustments on a scope. I love the direction
JBM, GEO and AB are essentially the same ballistics engine, the differences are moot, being all based on the same Point Mass method, which is very simple. Your right, AB add a premium which is hard to justify when compared to the other software.GeoBalllistics is the JBM engine under the hood, nothing wrong with that at all. Adding AB as the solver is an instant $400 price increase.
Thank youNo, it does not. The military scope by Vortex runs on a government-provided software.
Just because someone does not agree with you does not make them less of a shooter. I bet a whole lot of folks have done pretty well at long range shooting without AB^ This. I’ve already paid the AB premium I just want that to pass through this device. Those who don’t care about this can’t be shooting long range that much to not care about the hours and time spent perfecting their AB modeling.
Just because someone does not agree with you does not make them less of a shooter. I bet a whole lot of folks have done pretty well at long range shooting without AB
AB is great but many paths lead to the same outcome
That's kind of a dumb stance to take. I guess you can just stick to trying to lase around the feet of targets with your handheld LRF. I think you're beginning to miss the point of this device and cutting your nose off to spite your face.
I have no problem ranging targets at 2k plus yards (https://arenatrainingfacility.com/) so I do not see any advantage there, even using a LRF handheld up to 1500 is no problem. I guess we are on different pages about how important an accurate ballistics solver is on a weapon mounted ballistic solver/ LRF.LOL, that's not even comparable. You're still using 3X or 5X or 7X to try to lase a general area. What these rifle mounted, co-witnessed laser rangefinders offer us is the ability to hit a point target. That's the point I keep making and the point that you keep undervaluing and missing because you're stuck on the ballistics solver. You ARE missing the point.
Brother when I was shooting for US Team ( eight years in a row) I was shooting nearly a thousand rounds a month at 800-1000 yards. I shot high powered rifles in competition from mid 1980’s until I retired from comps a few years ago. I have wore out a ton of barrels. Now hold yourself because I have never used a Kestrel for wind calls. Too many different wind values between FFP and targetSo I tested this today to see if you were right. I took the exact AB solutions I have used and absolutely know are dead accurate and compared them against GeoBallistics. The GeoBallistics from 700yards on was an moa and increasingly inaccurate beyond in drop. The wind and spin was fairly accurate but highlights my exact complaints. Those with good shooting solutions will be forced to go to a lesser or at least different system for no good reason. Same is probably true for those using 4dof.
I’m not calling anyone a lesser shooter but am surprised that anyone with time beyond a good solver wants to change to a new one.
I used the exact same inputs in geo as my kestrel, same temp tables, and even paid the $15 to connect my kestrel for the environmental inputs and it was still inaccurate beyond 700.
I shoot 1k+ rounds a year at 800+ yards i know for certain fact the kestrel is the exact solution needed for my shooting.
All this being said this unit is badass and the kestrel pass thru is my only single gripe (granted it’s the one holding me back from buying it)