Magpul x Maztech X4 System - Hot or Not?

[rlsmith1]

Pretty interesting, would love to hear if anyone has more info? A couple thoughts below... If cost is really where they say it is, count me in this seems pretty sweet depending on what information is shared.

1. Magpul has a history of releasing a product and then putting it on the shelves months later. At least they acknowledge this is still in development
2. Maztech says 4Q2022 delivery, sounds like it will be available to us lowly civilians? https://www.maztechindustries.com/
3. CivTAK support?
4. This almost seems like they meant to post this video April 1
5. Welcome to the future?

 

[Shawn1492]

Everyone is speechless lol

 

[WindstormSCR]

IF and big IF they can pull it off, it will be very good. There is something to be said for divorcing the system that handles the HUD elements from the scope, since we as consumers love choice. the fact it's not baked into the optic (like the steiner IFS) means they can focus on just the core features and making sure it works, and at the same time increase potential adoption by not forcing a particular optics train.

Personally, even if it's not spectacular but still very serviceable, it WILL create competition in the market, and competition drives innovation and price drops. (see Wilcox and Envision currently competing in the rifle-mounted rangefinder space)

The tech already exists, which is why I'm willing to take this seriously, that being said, it will need to function with applied ballistics stuff to be taken somewhat seriously, unless they go all in and get SIG, Garmin and the other big vendors to adopt their new framework.

Civtak support is something I'd love to see, but the problem there is that the HUD integration module for atak is currently not a civtak available module, so unless Maztec and Magpul can do the heavy lift and get it or a version of it released to civtak, I don't see it being all that useful. (and everyone with an e-coti would love them for it)

 

[Steel head]

We’ll see
Looks pretty neat.

 

[iceng]

Big nope from me. Gimmick. I also thought it was April for some reason.

They launched like 3 videos this week. Latest one was a fuking belt....

 

[Animal357]

It will be years before they state that the won’t actually produce it

 

[rlsmith1]

Sounds like magpul is literally making a round counter to interface with the Maztech stuff. If magpul doesn’t hold up their end of the development, we still get a good system that got a ton of marketing from the magpul machine.

I hope Maztech is able to pull it off. I agree, their approach of separating the optic from the rest of the system seems like a good one. The types of optics that would do well in this system are definitely different than stand alone LPVOs being made today. If the system really projects the aiming point, the Christmas tree reticle in the scope would be kind of useless except for follow up shots. Seems like the Maztech could also project a Christmas tree reticle so a floating dot in a super lightweight LPVO might be the ticket.

I don’t know if anything on this project is open source, but if they could at least make the communication module open source, I think a ton of others would plug into the system (any of the upcoming fusion binos could do this easily).

In my opinion, the video grossly under communicated the potential of this system. I hope Maztech has someone who is a tech, security and weapons nerd leading the project because that’s what it will take to make this successful

 

[Cascade Hemi]

Big nope from me. Gimmick. I also thought it was April for some reason.

They launched like 3 videos this week. Latest one was a fuking belt....

Magpul has been making belts for 6 or 7 years.

 

[WindstormSCR]

The types of optics that would do well in this system are definitely different than stand alone LPVOs being made today. If the system really projects the aiming point, the Christmas tree reticle in the scope would be kind of useless except for follow up shots. Seems like the Maztech could also project a Christmas tree reticle so a floating dot in a super lightweight LPVO might be the ticket.

I disagree, having experience with a semi-similar setup from Bow Hunting, having the reticle as a standard scope feature we're all used to is the better option and a fail-safe if for any reason the unit should have an issue, you can always go "back to basics".

for longer distances, the projected aiming point works well to "dial to match" but gives you the option of for example only dialing elevation if you're shooting in a highly variable crosswind environment.

So 95% all the LPVOs people love should be more than acceptable for the job, which makes this easier to consider as it simply replaces whatever mount you're currently using, instead of making it a whole new scope to buy into.

I do hope they have some sort of retrofit kit for the rounds-remaining tech planned, for those of us that have non-AR rifles we prefer. I could even see it having some use on bolt guns if it's well-executed, as it looked like they had planned something to work with larger rifle scopes as well.

 

[rlsmith1]

Yeah that’s probably true. Just seeing the dope in the reticle would be powerful and allow you to dial. Everyone wants that in their clip ons.

I’d be very interested in a full sized scope version too. Wonder how they are building it to have the best light transmission and clarity possible.

 

[acudaowner]

it's neat looking . but not for me . Maybe next year when i get my own land based laser cannons . lol

 

[iceng]

Magpul has been making belts for 6 or 7 years.

My point being, why make a big song and dance about a product you have been making.. for 6 or 7 years ?

 

[Cascade Hemi]

My point being, why make a big song and dance about a product you have been making.. for 6 or 7 years ?

Just a guess but they probably think marketing videos are a good way to sell their products.

 

[Huckmeat]

Sounds like magpul is literally making a round counter to interface with the Maztech stuff. If magpul doesn’t hold up their end of the development, we still get a good system that got a ton of marketing from the magpul machine.

I hope Maztech is able to pull it off. I agree, their approach of separating the optic from the rest of the system seems like a good one. The types of optics that would do well in this system are definitely different than stand alone LPVOs being made today. If the system really projects the aiming point, the Christmas tree reticle in the scope would be kind of useless except for follow up shots. Seems like the Maztech could also project a Christmas tree reticle so a floating dot in a super lightweight LPVO might be the ticket.

I don’t know if anything on this project is open source, but if they could at least make the communication module open source, I think a ton of others would plug into the system (any of the upcoming fusion binos could do this easily).

In my opinion, the video grossly under communicated the potential of this system. I hope Maztech has someone who is a tech, security and weapons nerd leading the project because that’s what it will take to make this successful

A big +1 on open sourcing the comm modules. Kestrel was suck jerks about sharing their comm interface I turned on the Bluetooth stack and reverse engineered it so my dynamic range card app could have my AB kestrel update a phone based rangecard (overlayed on the image of the field course target array) real-time. I won’t share it because kestrel was very uncooperative about working with developers (approx 5 years ago).

 

[LonewolfMcQuade]

This almost seems like they meant to post this video April 1

Yeah, like they did a few years back with the Magpul Waffle Iron

 

[The King]

It might be a thing. Or it might suck.

 

[WindstormSCR]

doing some more digging, there is also the potential in the system to work with the new disturbed reticle protocol that the NGSW fire control uses (I hate that the military standardized on that term, fire control is the trigger you twats)

 

[308pirate]

(I hate that the military standardized on that term, fire control is the trigger you twats)

Really? For over a century fire control has meant the system that figures out where to train and elevate guns to hit a target.

Just like what this thing does........

 

[rlsmith1]

doing some more digging, there is also the potential in the system to work with the new disturbed reticle protocol that the NGSW fire control uses (I hate that the military standardized on that term, fire control is the trigger you twats)

Can you explain a little bit more? I thought the NGSW fire control was a scope/lrf/thermal bundle so I’m not sure where this would fit unless you’re talking accessories like their LRF, goggles, etc?

 

[Smaug]

i can't verify the hundred year use, but 45 years ago I was a 41C - Fire Control Instrument Repairman and worked with the first 3 generations of laser rangefinders and infrared in tanks as well as optics in tanks and artillery, and an assortment of related equipment. I never worked on a trigger though. The usual civilian misconception was that it was about hoses and ladders.