Many Actions coming to the Market. Which one to pick ?

[SilentVapor631]

Staring with the best Action for a Build many are in corporating the .22lr in short actions. It's nice build a round to practice with is interesting in my purchase.... Round Control Feed is a great Feature...

Looking for the best over all action for the moat innovation and has the most accuracy....


Terminus zeus action is Sweet plus it says Harrisburg, PA on it... Sweet Set Screws... like no others.....

Tl3 is has always been my favorite action but finishes last in my wallet with less over all features for the money

American rifle company Nucleus 2.0
Round control feed, 3 lug actions packed with lots of innovation
Only thing is you have to field strip it to swap barrels. An its not a One piece deal.

Really need some help on what I should do an if there was something out there. I haven't looked at yet...

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

How is the Curtis Valor made by same gunsmith as the Terminus line of products?

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[srt-4_uk]

If you are looking for a short action that can shoot centerfire and rimfire, your choices Will narrow down significantly.

 

[kthomas]

"Accuracy" or really precision, is determined by many factors, more so then what action you pick. Quality of the barrel blank, your chamber specs, how well the gunsmith does his job cutting the chamber, the quality of your ammo and how it's tuned to your specific rifle/chamber, etc.

I'm a bit confused if you are asking for best action for a .22 (which none of those actions are), or if you are building a centerfire rifle and are just mumbling about .22's?

You are also conflating "gunsmith" with "action manufacturer". The same gunsmith can spin up a barrel for Terminus or Curtis, but Terminus and Curtis are two different entities. Yes, the guy who helped design the Curtis actions left and setup Terminus, which can be a bit confusing. But they are two different entities, with similar but different products.

You mention control round feed (and .22's in the same sentence, which I'm confused by). Neither Curtis or Terminus are CRF. ARC Nucleus and Mausingfield (very underrated), and the TL3 are great CRF options.

You also mention the Curtis .22 conversion. You may want to wait and hear reviews on that conversion before jumping on it and being a beta tester. Besides the fact that Curtis has a bit of a troubled reputation in regards to quality, .22lr's are very nuanced. There's a lot of nuance in getting a .22lr running correctly. Just slapping on a .22lr barrel and putting in a .22lr bolt is not a recipe for success. You may get lucky and it works reliably, but I would be willing to be that more often then not, it's going to be very finicky and unreliable. This is pure speculation of course, I've never handled or even seen a Curtis .22lr conversion in person, but I don't have a warm and fuzzy feeling about it.

 

[hereinaz]

Buy a .22 rifle if you want one.

Make a list of all the features of an action you want, get the one that most closely checks all the boxes.

For me, CRF, mechanical ejector, and 70ish bolt throw are what I like. That narrows down my choices greatly for a custom action. I also like swappable bolt heads for switching rifle barrels, but mostly depending on needs for a specific hunt. That means its a Nuke or Archimedes, LOL. I just so happens that my first custom action was a Nuke and found I liked the features so that's what I run and all my barrels swap around. I didn't chase the next coolest action, cause I learned my lesson chasing scopes and cartridges.

 

[CK1.0]

JMHO but less is more, I don't want/need controlled-round-feed or swappable bolt heads, really just need a legit extractor (whether M16-style or otherwise).

I'm looking forward to the Mack Bros SS action, and wish there were more options out there for improved 700 actions with less gadgetry.

 

[FisherT&C]

The Origin is quite impressive for what you pay for it. Also look at Kelby, they have some cool stuff too.

 

[SilentVapor631]

Hi,

How is the Curtis Valor made by same gunsmith as the Terminus line of products?

Sincerely,
Theis

Joel Russo the Creator use to work with them till he started his own Terminus Line... if it was made about a year ago... most designs should have his footprint on them.

I could be wrong about that one item but I'd belive it hadsomething to do with his Creativity...

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

That has nothing to do with both of them being "made" by same gunsmith as pertaining to the actual products.

"MADE" is in regards to what company is running machines, etc etc.

"Designed" might be what you are referring to but the BEST designs can be "made" poorly.

Be willing to bet you that Terminus and Joel want no part of saying they are connected to "Making" the Curtis Valor.....

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[SilentVapor631]

Well witch one in the list of items would you purchase ?
Help me out
I appreciate your support
Thank you

 

[kthomas]

Well witch one in the list of items would you purchase ?
Help me out
I appreciate your support
Thank you

What are you going to do with the rifle? What features do you want, beyond CRF?

Your original post is incredibly confusing, maybe I'm alone, but I can't figure out what you are asking.

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

Of those 2...Terminus all the way.
I do not purchase components though so I am not the guy to ask. I just wanted to make sure that nobody was under impression that the Curtis Valor was made by Terminus.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[SilentVapor631]

Joel Russo the Creator use to work with them till he started his own Terminus Line... if it was made about a year ago... most designs should have his footprint on them.

I could be wrong about that one item but I'd belive it hadsomething to do with his Creativity...

Basically shopping for a bolt with I can make into a multiple caliber without hassle... barrel an bolt swapping.. Greatest Accuracy
Prs or best long range rifle

 

[hereinaz]

JMHO but less is more, I don't want/need controlled-round-feed or swappable bolt heads, really just need a legit extractor (whether M16-style or otherwise).

I'm looking forward to the Mack Bros SS action, and wish there were more options out there for improved 700 actions with less gadgetry.

CRF use some of the biggest extractors there are, whether you want the function or not. In operation its very little difference.

 

[Dooby]

Staring with the best Action for a Build many are in corporating the .22lr in short actions. It's nice build a round to practice with is interesting in my purchase.... Round Control Feed is a great Feature...

Looking for the best over all action for the moat innovation and has the most accuracy....


Terminus zeus action is Sweet plus it says Harrisburg, PA on it... Sweet Set Screws... like no others.....

The Curtis vector action has been out for awhile but theres a newer Model Called the "Valor" its made by the same gun Smith as the Terminus line of Products... you can also use there new Bolt coming out in a month that shoots .22lr....
Instead of getting a 700 footprint action. Shoot the same rig...


Tl3 is has always been my favorite action but finishes last in my wallet with less over all features for the money

American rifle company Nucleus 2.0
Round control feed, 3 lug actions packed with lots of innovation
Only thing is you have to field strip it to swap barrels. An its not a One piece deal.

Really need some help on what I should do an if there was something out there. I haven't looked at yet...

What do you mean the Nucleus needs to field strip to swap bbls? Most actions (unless AIAX (SA), AT-X, AT, MRAD, Zeus/Vector) need to take off optic and remove stock/chassis to torque on a new bbl. Or you can have wrench flats machined into the bbl (AI barrels) and you can torque on with a wrench (no need to take action out of stock/chassis)
If you're using the ARC collared switch barrel mechanism (which I think is discontinued), then its a switch bbl without having to "field strip".

 

[gnochi]

What do you mean the Nucleus needs to field strip to swap bbls? Unless you're using the ARC collared switch barrel mechanism (which I think is discontinued).

Can confirm you don’t need to field strip to swap barrels. You do need to disassemble the bolt to swap bolt heads if you’re jumping from standard to magnum, but that’s something entirely different.

Barloc is still available, and WHEN USED PROPERLY (i.e. when the Barloc at full clamp still has a gap, so it’s properly preloading the barrel) is a very effective barrel switch mechanism that doesn’t involve needing to use lots of torque, is way more robust than any of the set screw “solutions”, and has the same “fell out of a helicopter onto the barrel” zero holding as a standard torqued barrel. The AI clamp is also really solid, but requires a substantial action redesign to make it work and isn’t compatible with the R700 platform.

OP: the combination of rambling, incoherence, and incorrect terminology make it effectively impossible to understand what you’re asking for or concerned with. I’m honestly worried about your ability to build a rifle that a) works and b) won’t blow up in your face. FYI, 22LR actions are fundamentally incompatible with standard actions - you’re not going to be swapping between 22LR and any other cartridge without buying a new gun.

1. For 6.5CM and similar size cartridges, just buy an ARC Nucleus rifle for $2500
2. For 22LR, just buy a Vudoo Ravage in the Ridgeback stock for $2600

 

[srt-4_uk]

FYI, 22LR actions are fundamentally incompatible with standard actions - you’re not going to be swapping between 22LR and any other cartridge without buying a new gun.

Except for the fact that Curtis showed off a 22 conversion at shot show last year. Whether they've started delivering them or not is another question but it is not fundamentally incompatible

 

[SilentVapor631]

What are you going to do with the rifle? What features do you want, beyond CRF?

Your original post is incredibly confusing, maybe I'm alone, but I can't figure out what you are

What do you mean the Nucleus needs to field strip to swap bbls? Most actions (unless AIAX (SA), AT-X, AT, MRAD, Zeus/Vector) need to take off optic and remove stock/chassis to torque on a new bbl. Or you can have wrench flats machined into the bbl (AI barrels) and you can torque on with a wrench (no need to take action out of stock/chassis)
If you're using the ARC collared switch barrel mechanism (which I think is discontinued), then its a switch bbl without having to "field strip".

Would the Nucleus not being a prefit timed barrel be less accurate?

Honestly, think 3 lug an control round feed is amazing plus the price... meaning none feeding issues..

 

[hereinaz]

What do you mean the Nucleus needs to field strip to swap bbls? Most actions (unless AIAX (SA), AT-X, AT, MRAD, Zeus/Vector) need to take off optic and remove stock/chassis to torque on a new bbl. Or you can have wrench flats machined into the bbl (AI barrels) and you can torque on with a wrench (no need to take action out of stock/chassis)
If you're using the ARC collared switch barrel mechanism (which I think is discontinued), then its a switch bbl without having to "field strip".

I think he might have been referring to swapping the bolt head with a barrel change, which does require breaking down the bolt.

Most definitely don't need to touch anything else to swap barrels if you have the right tools. With a barrel vice and rear action wrench, I've done it in minutes on the tailgate of my truck. Didn't touch anything else on the rifle cause it was all the same bolt face. I think the longest individual step is tightening the four bolts on the vice.

 

[Dooby]

Can confirm you don’t need to field strip to swap barrels. You do need to disassemble the bolt to swap bolt heads if you’re jumping from standard to magnum, but that’s something entirely different.

Barloc is still available, and WHEN USED PROPERLY (i.e. when the Barloc at full clamp still has a gap, so it’s properly preloading the barrel) is a very effective barrel switch mechanism that doesn’t involve needing to use lots of torque, is way more robust than any of the set screw “solutions”, and has the same “fell out of a helicopter onto the barrel” zero holding as a standard torqued barrel. The AI clamp is also really solid, but requires a substantial action redesign to make it work and isn’t compatible with the R700 platform.

OP: the combination of rambling, incoherence, and incorrect terminology make it effectively impossible to understand what you’re asking for or concerned with. I’m honestly worried about your ability to build a rifle that a) works and b) won’t blow up in your face. FYI, 22LR actions are fundamentally incompatible with standard actions - you’re not going to be swapping between 22LR and any other cartridge without buying a new gun.

1. For 6.5CM and similar size cartridges, just buy an ARC Nucleus rifle for $2500
2. For 22LR, just buy a Vudoo Ravage in the Ridgeback stock for $2600

Thanks! I'm aware of the Barloc (Collar), i'm using one. Just re-edited my response. OP didn't mentioned the Barloc, so was curious to what he/she meant.

 

[hereinaz]

Would the Nucleus not being a prefit timed barrel be less accurate?

Honestly, think 3 lug an control round feed is amazing plus the price... meaning none feeding issues..

Criterion, Shillen, and Xcaliber prefit barrels with barrel nuts regularly outshoot me in Savage actions the same as my Nucleus actions. If its a good barrel, it will shoot out of a Nuke. And, you can get shouldered prefit barrels for the Nucleus action as well.

 

[kthomas]

Would the Nucleus not being a prefit timed barrel be less accurate?

Honestly, think 3 lug an control round feed is amazing plus the price... meaning none feeding issues..

Nucleus will not be a limiting factor in shooting small groups. And you can get prefit barrels for the nucleus.

 

[srt-4_uk]

Would the Nucleus not being a prefit timed barrel be less accurate?

Honestly, think 3 lug an control round feed is amazing plus the price... meaning none feeding issues..

That has nothing to do with accuracy. But you can get shouldered barrels with the nucleus.

 

[Dooby]

Would the Nucleus not being a prefit timed barrel be less accurate?

Honestly, think 3 lug an control round feed is amazing plus the price... meaning none feeding issues..

No. HOwever, there were some reports of POI shifts if the bbl had been "hit/impacted". It happened to me once, but obviously not scientific. Walked by and accidentally kicked the rifle hard at the muzzle brake. 1st shot was off. 2nd, 3rd shots were POA/POI. There is also a thread on this. Regardless i still use the collared barloc, the rifle shoots great.

Like above says, you can also get pre-fit bbls for the Nuke.

Barrel Nut BArloc supposedly did not have these reported issues. Someone with more exp with this can chime in and explain better.

I think he might have been referring to swapping the bolt head with a barrel change, which does require breaking down the bolt.

Most definitely don't need to touch anything else to swap barrels if you have the right tools. With a barrel vice and rear action wrench, I've done it in minutes on the tailgate of my truck. Didn't touch anything else on the rifle cause it was all the same bolt face. I think the longest individual step is tightening the four bolts on the vice.

Swapping bolts on Gen1 Nuc, required some tools and fp spring catch. I think Gen2 is bayonet style? so it's tooless like the the AI/MRAD/TL3/Origin?

 

[SilentVapor631]

Except for the fact that Curtis showed off a 22 conversion at shot show last year. Whether they've started delivering them or not is another question but it is not fundamentally incompatible

I spoke with someone that said Its works half way not truly Functional.. I got that question out the way..

 

[SilentVapor631]

Criterion, Shillen, and Xcaliber prefit barrels with barrel nuts regularly outshoot me in Savage actions the same as my Nucleus actions. If its a good barrel, it will shoot out of a Nuke. And, you can get shouldered prefit barrels for the Nucleus action as well.

Thank you honestly I'm looking into my First custom build an looking to get the best that I can get for the most effective results.

 

[gnochi]

Except for the fact that Curtis showed off a 22 conversion at shot show last year. Whether they've started delivering them or not is another question but it is not fundamentally incompatible

I’ll believe it works well when I see it working well. The big hiccups are feeding and extraction.

Separately, for the thread, timed prefits are for convenience, not accuracy. Other than off-the-shelf Freedom Group R700 actions, pretty much every action is capable outshooting pretty much any shooter if using a quality barrel.

 

[gnochi]

Barrel Nut BArloc supposedly did not have these reported issues. Someone with more exp with this can chime in and explain better.

I have the barrel nut variant, and I knocked my rifle off a bench and it landed on the barrel First shot was still dead-on at 1000. Sample group of 1, but...

What’s the gap in your Barloc collar, out of curiosity?

 

[SilentVapor631]

Out of all the actions listed witch one will be the best on for my first build ?

 

[kthomas]

Out of all the actions listed witch one will be the best on for my first build ?

Remove Curtis from the list and flip a coin.

 

[Hawk in WY]

Origin if trying to fit within a budget for what you will find the most important one year from now.

Thank me later.

 

[ChristianSilver]

Terminus Zeus would be my first choice, was my choice on Tuesday when I ordered directly from Joel..

 

[Big Timber]

With everything being in short supply, I would buy the one that has the most readily available components. I just made this decision and went tl3, i have no regrets, but if I could of found an origin in stock I think that would have been even better choice.

 

[CK1.0]

CRF use some of the biggest extractors there are, whether you want the function or not. In operation its very little difference.

I hear ya.
CRF is cool, I was more just trying to say that for many (most) of us push-feed is just fine, and the biggest thing that needs fixing in the classic 700 design is that the extractor sucks lol!

 

[Matt_3479]

I own a defiance deviant, bighorn tl3, terminus zues snd had a vector. There all nice actions and you’ll be happy with any one of them. That said terminus would be number 1! It’s simply amazing. Defiance and bighorn are tied for number 2. More features on the bighorn but the defiance is just sexy. And instead of Curtis just get a terminus lol

 

[SilentVapor631]

It's all debating on what is most important... barrel swapping options its awesome.

Best receiver for best feeding is what I wanna know next

 

[Kanati]

@SilentVapor631 You absolutely can not go wrong with the Terminus! The decision is in fact hard, but if reliable feeding is one of your top priorities I would recommend an action with a magwell cut for AICS mags (Apollo or Kratos line).

The best feeding comment/question above is subjective and there are too many variables (stock, chassis, magazine, bottom metal, caliber, reloading or factory ammo, etc.) to get a straight answer. I recommend you piece it together like a puzzle. Action, chassis or stock, ammo and mag, bottom metal, etc.

 

[Matt_3479]

It's all debating on what is most important... barrel swapping options its awesome.

Best receiver for best feeding is what I wanna know next

Barrel swapping options are good on all of them, but by far the easiest on the terminus. You need a barrel vice, action wrench and torque wrench for the others. I do both, since I have all 3 actions and 2 require torque wrench/barrel vise. But the terminus just simplify’s it and anyone can do it with an Allen key! The threaded trigger pins is the nicest system by far for trigger swapping. I have a kelbly with a trigger hanger which is nice for being able to carry a back up incase it goes down but you still need a punch and hammer off the start.

Feeding is subjective to chassis/stock, magazine and magwells, bottom metal inlets on stocks. All 3 actions are fantastic and would be great for any build.

The bighorn has crf and it’s a great system. Also has mechanical ejector which I’m a big fan of for multiple reasons. First is when shooting off a bench for load development you aren’t slinging brass halfway across the range, and second is for finding lands. You don’t need to remove ejector for spring pressure. The swapable bolt head makes up for the “harder compared to terminus” barrel swap. It’s significantly cheaper then a replacement bolt and absolutely simple to do! The action I would say is the easiest sliding bolt but not the smoothest overall throw of that makes sense. The bolt glides like hot knife through butter but the lock up has a different feel to it as the bolt head is floating and slightly moves when being closed and has a bit more pressure then say the defiance or my kelbly (which is probably the lightest and smoothest overall/complete cycle) . Also has a tooless bolt disassembly which is nice (so does terminus) The bolt does bind if not ran straight though but not something that bothers me.

The defiance is tough to argue with! Absolutely as tank. Beautiful and rugged. Perfect machining and smooth as smooth can be throughout the whole cycle. Tons of options when ordering so you can get exactly what you want! They are slightly tighter tolerances on the bolt clearance so In extremely dirty conditions it can feel gritty but I haven’t experienced that yet. There isn’t much to say negative about defiance but wouldn’t say it’s the most feature packed action compared to some.

The terminus is the hardest bolt lift but that is due to being a 3 lug action! That said it’s the fastest by far and basically closes itself due to the roller tip cocking piece. Its amazing to run the action, puts a smile on my face every time. It is an incredibly smooth overall cycling feel and once broken in the bolt lift isn’t much more noticeable then the other actions. With features like the threaded trigger pins, quick change barrel screws, tool less bolt disassembly, and customer service that is almost unmatched in the industry (kelbly is another stand up company with top of the line service).

I haven’t had issues with any of them feeding in any magazines. The only slight downfall I’ve had was with the bighorn and the crf with my ai and accurate 223 mag. It doesn’t seem to have the spring pressure to get under the claw and acts as a push feed but works flawlessly!

I hope that clears a few things up. The kelbly atlas tactical is another action not to look past especially if budget is tighter. One of my favourites. Have a KS action coming in a couple weeks and very excited to try them out!

 

[kthomas]

One thing to keep in mind with "switch barrel" systems, is that people who start with "switch barrel" systems usually end up with dedicated rifles in the cartridges they want to shoot. It sounds like a neat feature, but the novelty of having to constantly change barrels, bolt heads, magazines, adjust zero, etc. etc. wears off after a while.

Also, keep in mind that there is no free lunch. What makes a "switch barrel" system convenient to change barrels also comes with the downside of lack of robustness. Like it or not, a little set screw is not going to be as successful as retaining the barrels zero as a shouldered barrel torqued to ~100 ft-lbs, if the rifle gets knocked around. This may or may not be an issue, depending on the kind of shooting you do, and even then, how often this occurs is generally few and far between. But it is a possibility, and something to keep in mind.

Also, all rifles have "switch barrel" capabilities when it comes down to it. As long as you have the right tools (action wrench, torque wrench, barrel vice), its as simple as changing out a lightbulb in premise. Screw a barrel off, screw one on.

If having a "QD switch barrel" system is a top priority for you, then I would give the Terminus a hard look. My own personal preference is shouldered and torqued barrels, but everyone's needs and preferences are different.

 

[Steel head]

One thing to keep in mind with "switch barrel" systems, is that people who start with "switch barrel" systems usually end up with dedicated rifles in the cartridges they want to shoot. It sounds like a neat feature, but the novelty of having to constantly change barrels, bolt heads, magazines, adjust zero, etc. etc. wears off after a while.

Also, keep in mind that there is no free lunch. What makes a "switch barrel" system convenient to change barrels also comes with the downside of lack of robustness. Like it or not, a little set screw is not going to be as successful as retaining the barrels zero as a shouldered barrel torqued to ~100 ft-lbs, if the rifle gets knocked around. This may or may not be an issue, depending on the kind of shooting you do, and even then, how often this occurs is generally few and far between. But it is a possibility, and something to keep in mind.

Also, all rifles have "switch barrel" capabilities when it comes down to it. As long as you have the right tools (action wrench, torque wrench, barrel vice), its as simple as changing out a lightbulb in premise. Screw a barrel off, screw one on.

If having a "QD switch barrel" system is a top priority for you, then I would give the Terminus a hard look. My own personal preference is shouldered and torqued barrels, but everyone's needs and preferences are different.

Lol
I planned to do a switch barrel on my nucleus.
Within a month I had another rifle in the other caliber.

 

[hereinaz]

One thing to keep in mind with "switch barrel" systems, is that people who start with "switch barrel" systems usually end up with dedicated rifles in the cartridges they want to shoot. It sounds like a neat feature, but the novelty of having to constantly change barrels, bolt heads, magazines, adjust zero, etc. etc. wears off after a while.

Also, keep in mind that there is no free lunch. What makes a "switch barrel" system convenient to change barrels also comes with the downside of lack of robustness. Like it or not, a little set screw is not going to be as successful as retaining the barrels zero as a shouldered barrel torqued to ~100 ft-lbs, if the rifle gets knocked around. This may or may not be an issue, depending on the kind of shooting you do, and even then, how often this occurs is generally few and far between. But it is a possibility, and something to keep in mind.

Also, all rifles have "switch barrel" capabilities when it comes down to it. As long as you have the right tools (action wrench, torque wrench, barrel vice), its as simple as changing out a lightbulb in premise. Screw a barrel off, screw one on.

If having a "QD switch barrel" system is a top priority for you, then I would give the Terminus a hard look. My own personal preference is shouldered and torqued barrels, but everyone's needs and preferences are different.

This is true.

If you want to actually shoot your switch rifle barrels, you end up just buying another action. Happened to me and lots of other guys.

Now, I might switch barrels, but it is only if I go to a different barrel for a specific hunt or match, then it goes back to my prefered barrel.

Eventually the novelty of switch barrel and lots of rifles wore off for me. I have only had one rifle for a while, and it has been more enjoyable shooting it rather than farting around with a bunch of rifles.

 

[hereinaz]

Lol
I planned to do a switch barrel on my nucleus.
Within a month I had another rifle in the other caliber.

Happened to me with multiple Nucleus too. Used the barloc until I figured out it was easier to use a barrel nut or shouldered barrel.

 

[kthomas]

This is true.

If you want to actually shoot your switch rifle barrels, you end up just buying another action. Happened to me and lots of other guys.

Now, I might switch barrels, but it is only if I go to a different barrel for a specific hunt or match, then it goes back to my prefered barrel.

Eventually the novelty of switch barrel and lots of rifles wore off for me. I have only had one rifle for a while, and it has been more enjoyable shooting it rather than farting around with a bunch of rifles.

I find myself shooting less and less cartridges. I don't know how people reload for 5+ different cartridges.

Every cartridge needs to have a distinct purpose for me.

6BRA - PRS, generally fun shooting
308 - Fundamentals practice, long barrel life
.300NM - ELR

I also have a 6.5 Creedmoor barrel, but I don't find myself shooting it anymore. Just can't be bothered, and want to keep things simple.

 

[kthomas]

And I used to be considered a heretic by some on here for saying that about switch barrels

 

[hereinaz]

I find myself shooting less and less cartridges. I don't know how people reload for 5+ different cartridges.

Every cartridge needs to have a distinct purpose for me.

6BRA - PRS, generally fun shooting
308 - Fundamentals practice, long barrel life
.300NM - ELR

I also have a 6.5 Creedmoor barrel, but I don't find myself shooting it anymore. Just can't be bothered, and want to keep things simple.

LOL, same here. I am down to basically two cartridges I will load for regularly. My 7mm SS mag for hunting/shooting and a 6BRA for hunting/occasional matches.

I have barrels and dies for 6 other cartridges, but its a bother to shoot them all. For practice, I will probabaly load up a bunch just to shoot the barrels out one at a time and then sell what is left and stop reloading for them.

Simple is good. Seems like it takes some people time to come around to it. I was doing the "switch barrel" thing while you were being a heretic. I came around though. Its a common phase...

Truth is, lots of people say get one rifle and learn to shoot, but its hard to hear it when the fun and excitement is there getting started.

 

[CK1.0]

I find myself shooting less and less cartridges. I don't know how people reload for 5+ different cartridges.

Every cartridge needs to have a distinct purpose for me.

6BRA - PRS, generally fun shooting
308 - Fundamentals practice, long barrel life
.300NM - ELR

I also have a 6.5 Creedmoor barrel, but I don't find myself shooting it anymore. Just can't be bothered, and want to keep things simple.

And I used to be considered a heretic by some on here for saying that about switch barrels

LOL, same here. I am down to basically two cartridges I will load for regularly. My 7mm SS mag for hunting/shooting and a 6BRA for hunting/occasional matches.

I have barrels and dies for 6 other cartridges, but its a bother to shoot them all. For practice, I will probabaly load up a bunch just to shoot the barrels out one at a time and then sell what is left and stop reloading for them.

Simple is good. Seems like it takes some people time to come around to it. I was doing the "switch barrel" thing while you were being a heretic. I came around though. Its a common phase...

Truth is, lots of people say get one rifle and learn to shoot, but its hard to hear it when the fun and excitement is there getting started.

I'm definitely in the camp of less cartridges too, I'd rather shoot a couple different cartridges a lot, than a bunch of different cartridges a little...

That's also why I'm not really into the switch barrel thing, and don't really think swappable bolt heads are necessary: we all end up buying all the specific reloading stuff to go with given calibers, and it just becomes a pain or not worth it to make radical switches that require a new bolt head or having to constantly redial-in a gun all the time (most of us just put together a new gun for that).

I'm only interested in swaps that are relatively easy, like going from 6 creed to 6BR, that I'll make when I spin on a new barrel, going back and forth even with that seems like a headache to me lol.

Actually as an aside: CRF or not for 6BR? I hear guys praise either way (but see more push-fed 6BR's)..?

 

[ChristianSilver]

I have 3 main calibers I shoot on three different chassis.
6.5 CM on a Cadex Defense
6 Dasher on a MDT ESS
223 Wylde on a MDT ESS

I shoot all 3 every outing to Triple C or Big Rock.
The 6.5 is my main hunting rifle also.

My wife shoot her own that I built her..
6.5 CM on a MPA Matrix
223 Rem on a MPA Matrix

We also carry a couple of AR platforms LWRC and LMT

Simplifying - Zeus on a MDT ESS - 6.5 CM - 6 Dasher - 223 - One Case - 3 choices - 1 to load on range trips or hunting.

Once this comes together in 2 weeks and and figure my turrets between swaps. Easy I hope, less gear..

Then do the same for my wife’s 2 calibers she shoots..

I can pack 3 cases...
Mine with 3 calibers...
Hers with 2 calibers
Ours one double AR hard case LWRC and LMT.

3 verses 6 cases...

To me it makes sense - The Terminus Zeus makes this so doable...

3 less scopes
3 less chassis’s
3 less cases

Hell then I’ll have room to buy more guns..

I’m hoping I’m satisfied, sure I will be. I enjoy shooting period. I like things to just work, reliability, repeatability, dependable and no issues..
As long as my POI’s aren’t bad on barrel swaps it just makes sense....

 

[kthomas]

I'm definitely in the camp of less cartridges too, I'd rather shoot a couple different cartridges a lot, than a bunch of different cartridges a little...

That's also why I'm not really into the switch barrel thing, and don't really think swappable bolt heads are necessary: we all end up buying all the specific reloading stuff to go with given calibers, and it just becomes a pain or not worth it to make radical switches that require a new bolt head or having to constantly redial-in a gun all the time (most of us just put together a new gun for that).

I'm only interested in swaps that are relatively easy, like going from 6 creed to 6BR, that I'll make when I spin on a new barrel, going back and forth even with that seems like a headache to me lol.

Actually as an aside: CRF or not for 6BR? I hear guys praise either way (but see more push-fed 6BR's)..?

I have a Mausingfield (CRF) and a LP Fuzion (push feed) that are both 6BRA. No issues with either.

I don't think it matters either way, plenty of successful BR based setups in both configurations. Just pick the action that checks the most boxes for you.

 

[Winny94]

Your original post is incredibly confusing, maybe I'm alone, but I can't figure out what you are asking.

Is there a language barrier perhaps? You're not alone, i cant make heads or tails of what is being asked.

 

[Matt_3479]

Haha should of added that point.

The switch barrel is a nice concept but not something I do! I prefer entire separate guns then multiple barrels. The only nice thing about a switch barrel is, when your barrel is starting to burn out you can order a new barrel and have it here and ready for install before old ones completely toast! That’s what I like about the prefit actions! I hard my 25 creed barrel here before the action by a day and had it throw together and shooting the afternoon the action arrived!

As far as multiple calibers I agree it’s a pain and at some point I might cut back but I like testing things myself, so calibers and actions are what I’m testing. Just trying to figure out what will fit where and why. Example being 2 builds for coyotes/varmint (one a little lighter and smaller for the closer shots and tighter properties, and one for the more open terrain larger caliber), 1 for trainer and longer barrel life (223/308), mid caliber hunting rig (for your deer/antelope area generally lighter) prs and a back up prs back up (just for the excuse lol), then big game rifle. Problem is, I have 3 ish more builds to go to complete my list and most of my area’s are covered. So might add another trainer 223 and 308