Rifle Scopes Millett TRS-1 ...Dissappointed...

[InfiniteGrim]

I have been trying to decide between a Millet TRS-1 and a Falcon Menace 4-14 or even the 5-25x. I found the Millett on Amazon with free prime shipping so I ordered it since they have a 100% satisfaction guarantee,

I got it today and quickly mounted it and ran off to the range.

My three gripes....

At 100 yards @ 16x the image was definetly cloudy, it looked 100x better at lower magnifications

Impossible to get a perfect parrallax setting. Either the reticle would shift a little left or right, or up and down, I couldnt get it set perfectly so there was no movement.

At 16x I needed my eye to be in a perfect spot or the image was really cloudy, again at lower magnifications the eye relieve was perfect, but at 16x is was horrendous.


Now I didnt use the sunshade which could have been my problem, I will take it out again tomorrow to confirm.

So what has been your guy's experience? I realize this is a $300 scope, but my problem is that my $120 centerpoint powerclass had a better picture at its max magnification and its eye relief was very forgiving.

 

[arcticeddie]

Re: Millett TRS-1 ...Dissappointed...

This is exactly what I found on two TRS-1 scopes, both model BK81008. I also have an BK81001 which is supposedly the same scope with 1/8MOA knobs. It's better and usable at 16x but much worse than a Bushnell 3200 5-15x40. I sent the two scopes back and will never touch a Millett unless I can look through it first.

 

[InfiniteGrim]

Re: Millett TRS-1 ...Dissappointed...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Arctic_Eddie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is exactly what I found on two TRS-1 scopes, both model BK81008. I also have an BK81001 which is supposedly the same scope with 1/8MOA knobs. It's better and usable at 16x but much worse than a Bushnell 3200 5-15x40. I sent the two scopes back and will never touch a Millett unless I can look through it first. </div></div>

THanks for the reply.

Looks like its going back!

Would you say the Vortex 6.5-20x44mm would be a much better scope for $100 more?

 

[BOLTRIPPER]

Re: Millett TRS-1 ...Dissappointed...

breakout alert.....!!!!

someone left the rubber room door open at AR15dotcom.....

 

[arcticeddie]

Re: Millett TRS-1 ...Dissappointed...

Not familiar with that model Vortex but suspect strongly that it's much better.

 

[InfiniteGrim]

Re: Millett TRS-1 ...Dissappointed...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Arctic_Eddie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not familiar with that model Vortex but suspect strongly that it's much better.
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This is the one I am talking about, I would get the 44mm one for size reasons so I can keep it low on my AR.

[url="http://swfa.com/Vortex-65-20x44-Viper-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P13285.aspx"]http://swfa.com/Vortex-65-20x44-Viper-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P13285.aspx[/url]

[url="http://swfa.com/Vortex-65-20x50-Viper-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P13287.aspx"]http://swfa.com/Vortex-65-20x50-Viper-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P13287.aspx[/url]



I would get the Falcon Menace but I'm afraid of warranty service if anything ever goes wrong

 

[ToddKS]

Re: Millett TRS-1 ...Dissappointed...

I have a Viper 6.5X20X50 and have been pleased thus far.

Got mine from Scott at Liberty Optics. I would recommend both Scott and the Vortex Viper.

 

[InfiniteGrim]

Re: Millett TRS-1 ...Dissappointed...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ToddKS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a Viper 6.5X20X50 and have been pleased thus far.

Got mine from Scott at Liberty Optics. I would recommend both Scott and the Vortex Viper. </div></div>

Can you please measure the exact diameter of the entire objective please? I have my scope mounted very low and anything over 2.450" is too large.

Thanks!

 

[gglass]

Re: Millett TRS-1 ...Dissappointed...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: InfiniteGrim</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ToddKS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a Viper 6.5X20X50 and have been pleased thus far.

Got mine from Scott at Liberty Optics. I would recommend both Scott and the Vortex Viper. </div></div>

Can you please measure the exact diameter of the entire objective please? I have my scope mounted very low and anything over 2.450" is too large.

Thanks!</div></div>

According to the Vortex spec page, it has a 2.2" objective.

http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-viper-6-5-20x50-pa-riflescope-mil-dot-reticle

 

[winxp_man]

Re: Millett TRS-1 ...Dissappointed...

I have the vortex crossfire and it the whores of scopes its been done by .223 all the way up to a 300 WM and its still going. I would recommend the vortex viper over the millet any day.

 

[LSOSGT1109]

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Okay so I'm beginning to think I must be an idiot! I've posted on here before that I've had several TRS-1's including two of the BK81008's and have never had a problem out of any of them. I just got another BK81008 to hold me over until I can afford a new Bushnell Tactical or Viper PST later this summer and it looks just fine to me as well! Alot of guys seem to be having issues with the BK81008 being cloudy especially on 16x and I just don't see it in mine. I know that I know what decent glass looks like because I have a Vortex Razor HD on my other rifle. Now the TRS-1 doesn't compare to the Razor but to me it's not near as bad as some guys are saying theirs are. Am I just a scope retard or what?

 

[beretta_man11]

Re: Millett TRS-1 ...Dissappointed...

KSP- I think we must have got the good ones! For $300 I couldn't be happier with it. It's not as nice as my Weaver Tactical, Elite 6500, PST, or my old NF but then again its $300....

 

[InfiniteGrim]

Re: Millett TRS-1 ...Dissappointed...

So some of you are saying you were able to set the oarrallax and the eye relied wasn't horrible.

Im still sending it back. I would rather spend $130 more and get the viper 6.5-20x50mm.

 

[BaileyMoto]

Re: Millett TRS-1 ...Dissappointed...

Same story here. We mounted up one of the 4-16 TRS-1 models to a new .308 rifle. When compared to the 4200 Bushnell, "cloudy" is simply the best word to describe what I saw when comparing side by side. Granted, this was about an hour before sundown, but it is what it is. The next day proved to be the huge let down. After sighting in the .308, we noticed a small black spot next to the reticle. After a few more rounds, more 'spots' appeared, along with what looked a lot like a piece of rubber stretching the length of about 2 mils. Needless to say, the scope went back. Millet had good customer service and the scope was replaced. However, there is now another 'black spot' after more shooting.

 

[arcticeddie]

Re: Millett TRS-1 ...Dissappointed...

I compared two 81008 which I sent back with one 81001 which I still have. The later is acceptable although inferior to the Bushy 3200. The former were bought just after a design change by Millett. They were from two different sellers and about three months apart in time. Both were equally bad. The one thing I noticed was the view looking down the tube from the front. At 16x the inside tube wall was shiny and very reflective. This can account for the off axis milky appearance. The 81001 was much better and noticeably dull. This is the way it should be as I'm an astronomer and know scope design. This problem is likely a one time manufacturing flaw due to insufficient blackening of the inside tube wall. Those with good scopes probably did not got them from this bad batch. It's too bad this happened as the 81008 has really nice specs. Getting two bad ones and paying shipping both ways has left a bad taste for me. I'll stick with Bushnell, Vortex, and Weaver from now on. My two new 243 and 260 snipers will be wearing a Weaver and PST respectively.

Bottom line: if you get a good one then that's great. If not, send it back and find another brand.

 

[InfiniteGrim]

Re: Millett TRS-1 ...Dissappointed...

Well guys thanks for the replies. UPS now has the scope, and this morning primary arms gave me a great deal on the 6.5-20x50mm Vortex. They gave it to me for $437 shipped and it shipped an hour after I ordered

 

[AXEMAN]

Re: Millett TRS-1 ...Dissappointed...

i had to get mine out and take a good look thru it. i spend most of my time at 10x and use the rest of the range for looking at stuff. anyway, looking thru it at 16x yes it is cloudier than on 4x. when you focus the object is sharp and discernable at 4 and 16. now i will say i have been sitting here in my yard looking at stuff at 16x and its just not cloudy or milky. i do notice thet the surrounding colors do fade a bit at 16x. my DSLR wont get low enough with my stock to allow a photo, but im working on it. remember that if you are looking at something thats pretty far away you will also have to deal with atmospheric distortion also. i know its counter intuitive to look at a close object at 16x to test the 16x feature, but thats the only objective way to see how the lenses and optical quality are at 4x-16x. looking at a 300y target at 4x and 16x you will see all the moisture, dust and haze between you and the target with any scope. looking at a brass lock on my neighbors shed at 4x and 16x i see a small very slight difference. so i must be one of the lucky ones. if you ever get to topeka kansas, ill let you take a gander thru it. i will say eye position is critical. gotta have a good cheek weld and position behind the glass.

one other thing, for under $325 there isnt much out there in mil/mil to choose from. you have the 10x 3200 bushnell from midway. you have the 3-10x weaver from midway. you have this millett. and there may be a falcon available if you go to $400. but you are still getting the most features in the millett, the 10x is fixed so its hard to compare and the weaver just came out and is only $300 when its on sale, otherwise its $400. next step up is the falcon for $385 and thats ffp and mil/mil

 

[Ocelot]

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First of all, hello. New user/learner here on Sinper's Hide. Thanks in advance for all the wealth of information on here!

Now, regarding the Millett BK81008. I am setting up a new rifle for LR shooting. I bought a Remington 700P .308 short action. I then found the BK81008 on a website, and thought it looked like a great scope with good reviews, so I ordered it.

Upon it's arrival I was initially impressed. However, I too am getting that hazy appearance at 10-16x. Then the real problem showed up.

This optic has not been mounted on my rifle yet, as I am waiting for my rail to arrive. Thus, I have been looking at it, getting familiar with it's features, etc. What I immediately found is that the side focus does not work! The knob will not turn all the way to the 10 yard mark, but is free to turn from the 50 to 500 yard mark. Even though the knob will turn, it does not focus. Does anyone know of a way to fix this, or should I sent it back?

This optic is for a police firearm, so I really can't wait a long period of time to send it out and get it back (nor do I have a lot of money for expediated shipping). I understand companies have duds, and I may have received one of them. We have to buy our own rifles, so on my salary I can't afford the best. Any help would be appreciated, and thanks again!

 

[winxp_man]

Re: Millett TRS-1 ...Dissappointed...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ocelot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First of all, hello. New user/learner here on Sinper's Hide. Thanks in advance for all the wealth of information on here!

Now, regarding the Millett BK81008. I am setting up a new rifle for LR shooting. I bought a Remington 700P .308 short action. I then found the BK81008 on a website, and thought it looked like a great scope with good reviews, so I ordered it.

Upon it's arrival I was initially impressed. However, I too am getting that hazy appearance at 10-16x. Then the real problem showed up.

This optic has not been mounted on my rifle yet, as I am waiting for my rail to arrive. Thus, I have been looking at it, getting familiar with it's features, etc. What I immediately found is that the side focus does not work! The knob will not turn all the way to the 10 yard mark, but is free to turn from the 50 to 500 yard mark. Even though the knob will turn, it does not focus. Does anyone know of a way to fix this, or should I sent it back?

This optic is for a police firearm, so I really can't wait a long period of time to send it out and get it back (nor do I have a lot of money for expediated shipping). I understand companies have duds, and I may have received one of them. We have to buy our own rifles, so on my salary I can't afford the best. Any help would be appreciated, and thanks again!

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Internal issues is not something that you will be able to fix or mess with without damaging the whole scope. So I would send it back and get your money back or a new one.

 

[AXEMAN]

Re: Millett TRS-1 ...Dissappointed...

you can try bushnell. the warranty is great. they exchanged mine quickly. even let me get a mil/mil in return when they were first out and scarce. you might consider the weaver 3-15 tactical from midaway at $300 on sale this month. its a good deal.

 

[canman]

Re: Millett TRS-1 ...Dissappointed...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beretta_man11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">KSP- I think we must have got the good ones! For $300 I couldn't be happier with it. It's not as nice as my Weaver Tactical, Elite 6500, PST, or my old NF but then again its $300.... </div></div>No I got a good one too. A TRS 2 no problems. I was able to look side by side with other scopes Nightforce, Premere,S&B. and of course it's not even close but for less than $300.00 it's acceptable

 

[InfiniteGrim]

Re: Millett TRS-1 ...Dissappointed...

Well I got the Vortex Viper 6.5-20x50mm today, and HOLY SHIT is all I have to say.

It was $140 more, but it feels like it is a $500+ upgrade over the TRS-1. I mean it is worth $500 more then the TRS-1. The eye reliefe at 20x is just as good as 6.5x, and odly enough the image at 20x and 6.5x are the same quality wise.

I just took it out in my yard and I could read what number my masterlock combination lock was on using 20x, which is on the door of my shed 50 yards away. It was on 26 if anyone was wondering!

I'm heading to the range and if noone is there I will take tons of pictures and do a seperate review. After playing with this scope for 15 minutes, I am SHOCKED that someone would even consider the TRS-1.

 

[AXEMAN]

Re: Millett TRS-1 ...Dissappointed...

glad youre happy. sorry yours was bad. mine is just fine along with several others. funny you mention it, i was looking at my neighbors master lock at 16x, 50 yards away and its just not anything like you describe. but, i wll upgrade to either a razor, PST or NF and keep my TRS for my 308 gasser

 

[taseal]

Re: Millett TRS-1 ...Dissappointed...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: InfiniteGrim</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I got the Vortex Viper 6.5-20x50mm today, and HOLY SHIT is all I have to say.

It was $140 more, but it feels like it is a $500+ upgrade over the TRS-1. I mean it is worth $500 more then the TRS-1. The eye reliefe at 20x is just as good as 6.5x, and odly enough the image at 20x and 6.5x are the same quality wise.

I just took it out in my yard and I could read what number my masterlock combination lock was on using 20x, which is on the door of my shed 50 yards away. It was on 26 if anyone was wondering!

I'm heading to the range and if noone is there I will take tons of pictures and do a seperate review. After playing with this scope for 15 minutes, I am SHOCKED that someone would even consider the TRS-1. </div></div>

It's crappy that it's MoA. and I dont like the dustcovers on the scope.

I'll still have to check it out though

 

[firestorm1284]

Re: Millett TRS-1 ...Dissappointed...

I was just at primary arms, how did you get that scope for $437.00? It's showing up at 500 bucks for me. Do Hide members get a discount?

 

[InfiniteGrim]

Re: Millett TRS-1 ...Dissappointed...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: firestorm1284</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was just at primary arms, how did you get that scope for $437.00? It's showing up at 500 bucks for me. Do Hide members get a discount? </div></div>I spoke to Marshal via PM over at ar15.com and he price matched optics planet's price which included a 5% off coupon and optics planet had free shipping on it.

 

[firestorm1284]

Re: Millett TRS-1 ...Dissappointed...

Infinite - Thanks for the info, I'll definitely have to give that scope a better look. I had pretty much decided on a Nikon Tactical, but that scope does look like a great value...