Maggie’s Motivational Pic Thread v2.0 - - New Rules - See Post #1

[babyguppy]

Even top fuel replaces displacement with higher RPMs, forced air, and more fuel huge valves and other technology. If displacement couldn’t be replaced they'd have to build engines with 5 gallon bucket sized pistons.

It’s like you aren’t even aware of how that saying came to be...

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I’ve said multiple times just because they both run 1/4 mile it doesn’t make them direct competitors. Also more power doesn’t come from just higher displacement but you very obviously don’t know that. Even gave more similar and just s stupid example she to prove a point.

Also you obviously don’t even know how to use the term “straw man argument”

“A straw man fallacy occurs when someone takes another person’s argument or point, distorts it or exaggerates it in some kind of extreme way, and then attacks the extreme distortion, as if that is really the claim the first person is making.”

The only person taking anything to any sort of extreme is you. no one else took your argument to an extreme or tried to claim you’re making another point, it was paralleled to show the stupidity of your comments. We were talking small displacement high horse power and your little dick syndrome made you pipe up with “muh top fuel! No replacement for displacement!”

“A straw man fallacy occurs when someone takes another person’s argument or point, distorts it or exaggerates it in some kind of extreme way, and then attacks the extreme distortion, as if that is really the claim the first person is making.”
A straw man fallacy occurs when someone takes another person’s argument or point

Original post - there's no replacement for displacement is outdated​

my response-​

while that's kinda true.. If you spin your wheels you're not moving, so extra displacement is wasted.​

But..​

On the other hand, I don't see any Toyotas in the winner's circle in the 1/4 mile going against Force Drag Racing​

distorts it or exaggerates it in some kind of extreme way

akmike said​

more fuel​

huge valves​

build engines with 5 gallon bucket sized pistons.​

as if that is really the claim the first person is making.

akmike said​

" Technology replaces displacement"​

"all sorts of ways to beat displacement. ... that’s a very old fart thing to say"​

then it's

"You’re comparing apples to oranges"​

The saying holds true, today, as it did in the 1950's at the DRAG STRIP
500 cubic-inch supercharged V8 engine in the Top Fuel dragsters produces an amazing 11,000 horsepower

"No replacement for displacement"​

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[akmike47]

“A straw man fallacy occurs when someone takes another person’s argument or point, distorts it or exaggerates it in some kind of extreme way, and then attacks the extreme distortion, as if that is really the claim the first person is making.”
A straw man fallacy occurs when someone takes another person’s argument or point

Original post - there's no replacement for displacement is outdated​

my response-​

while that's kinda true.. If you spin your wheels you're not moving, so extra displacement is wasted.​

But..​

On the other hand, I don't see any Toyotas in the winner's circle in the 1/4 mile going against Force Drag Racing​

distorts it or exaggerates it in some kind of extreme way

akmike said​

more fuel​

huge valves​

build engines with 5 gallon bucket sized pistons.​

as if that is really the claim the first person is making.

akmike said​

" Technology replaces displacement"​

"all sorts of ways to beat displacement. ... that’s a very old fart thing to say"​

then it's

"You’re comparing apples to oranges"​

The saying holds true, today, as it did in the 1950's at the DRAG STRIP
500 cubic-inch supercharged V8 engine in the Top Fuel dragsters produces an amazing 11,000 horsepower

"No replacement for displacement"​

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This post is literally a straw man argument, you look like more and more of a moron with each post lol.

I think you’re actually stupid. The saying isn’t from the 50s it was from decades before. It’s thought to have come from W.O. Bentley you moron, and dragsters the 50s didn’t have 11,000hp. Large displacement was needed because turbo/superchargers weren’t reliable or cheap/easy to get so you got around it with displacement. When they became reliable and more plentiful they became more widely used.

You don’t really know anything you parrot what you heard at some point.

That’s you on the right.

 

[cas6969]

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[babyguppy]

This post is literally a straw man argument.

I think you’re actually stupid.

 

[carbonbased]

Hope he has the worlds most powerful power-steering pump!

Didn’t watch the vid, but maybe it’s steered from the rear.

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/10/blast-off-with-this-1900-hp-chevrolet-cobalt-drag-racer-video/

 

[akmike47]

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Hope he has the worlds most powerful power-steering pump!

Didn’t watch the vid, but maybe it’s steered from the rear.

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/10/blast-off-with-this-1900-hp-chevrolet-cobalt-drag-racer-video/

Rear steer would be a horrible idea, they have front wheel steering still they just don’t have as much angle

 

[Shooter McGavin]

Just don’t spin into any crowds doing burnouts

No worries, it only goes on the track. BTW it's rev limited to only make 363 HP at the wheel.

 

[akmike47]

No worries, it on goes on the track. BTW it's rev limited to only make 363 HP at the wheel.

Why do they do that? Class rule obviously, but is it supposed to make it more of a drivers class? That’s also an oddly specific number, how the hell did they decide on that?

I know next to nothing about road racing.

 

[EddieNFL]

Rear steer would be a horrible idea, they have front wheel steering still they just don’t have as much angle

There is a reason forklifts are driven backwards.

 

[Shooter McGavin]

Why do they do that? Class rule obviously, but is it supposed to make it more of a drivers class? That’s also an oddly specific number, how the hell did they decide on that?

I know next to nothing about road racing.

It based on HP to weight. ST3 class is 10 to 1 ratio. I have tried to race ST2 which is 8 to 1 ratio. However, the best I could get the car was 9 to 1 which it was original designed for until they change the rules to have a larger gap in between classes. I have seen ST3 cars, mostly drivers, destroy ST2 cars/ drivers. I believe that was the main reason for the change. Still to this day though some ST3 drivers are faster in their ST3 cars than the ST2 drivers. I should add money can only buy a fast car. A fast driver must learn to be fast and some are natural and faster learners than others.

 

[brianf]

It based on HP to weight. ST3 class is 10 to 1 ratio. I have tried to race ST2 which is 8 to 1 ratio. However, the best I could get the car was 9 to 1 which it was original designed for until they change the rules to have a larger gap in between classes. I have seen ST3 cars, mostly drivers, destroy ST2 cars/ drivers. I believe that was the main reason for the change. Still to this day though some ST3 drivers are faster in their ST3 cars than the ST2 drivers. I should add money can only buy a fast car. A fast driver must learn to be fast and some are natural and faster learners than others.

And some drivers just have it.

They can feel car behavior that most can only read about…yes I’m jealous of them.

 

[Shooter McGavin]

And some drivers just have it.

They can feel car behavior that most can only read about…yes I’m jealous of them.

I have been lucky on the track. However, it's too damn expensive now for me to compete and raise a family. I hired a professional race driver to coach me and I was able to learn very quickly from him. It is amazing how you can feel the car doing what you want it to do and can catch it if you going over the edge. Fast drivers make fast cars go faster.

I won the race after this accident and scored the fastest track time in my class at NOLA raceway, lol

 

[akmike47]

And some drivers just have it.

They can feel car behavior that most can only read about…yes I’m jealous of them.

I feel cars doing shit all the time and most people act like I’m a moron lol. I can get fuel and feel the difference of having an extra 100 pounds back there.

 

[babyguppy]

This post is literally a straw man argument, you look like more and more of a moron with each post lol.

I think you’re actually stupid. The saying isn’t from the 50s it was from decades before. It’s thought to have come from W.O. Bentley you moron, and dragsters the 50s didn’t have 11,000hp. Large displacement was needed because turbo/superchargers weren’t reliable or cheap/easy to get so you got around it with displacement. When they became reliable and more plentiful they became more widely used.

You don’t really know anything you parrot what you heard at some point.

damn, you just love making stuff up, at least you know what the inside of your large intestine looks like.
the saying isn’t from the 50s it was from decades before.

I never said it originated from the 50's; I said​

"The saying holds true, today, as it did in the 1950's at the DRAG STRIP"​

Once again, your words not mine​

dragsters the 50s didn’t have 11,000hp <(the poorly written statement, was quoted verbatim, blame the writer)

No shit moron. Did you have to look this one up? I'm posting factual links from Modern top fuel drag cars.​

I never said they did, Once again, your words not mine​

VW Boss Basically Says There's No Replacement For Displacement

Herbert Diess, head of the VW brand, says downsizing is dead.

news.yahoo.com

Jörn Gander: There Is No Replacement For Displacement! - collectorscarworld

Nine hundred horses and a whopping 1,250 newton metres of torque. They are figures that bend the world of physics. However, for Brabus, they are a reality. A

collectorscarworld.com

Keep trying, you can do it

 

[Conaso]

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The first two may have been lucky but I don't think the last two were.

 

[akmike47]

I have been lucky on the track. However, it's too damn expensive now for me to compete and raise a family. I hired a professional race driver to coach me and I was able to learn very quickly from him. It is amazing how you can feel the car doing what you want it to do and can catch it if you going over the edge. Fast drivers make fast cars go faster.

I won the race after this accident and scored the fastest track time in my class at NOLA raceway, lol
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I was supposed to race multiple times and some BS always happened and ruined it. Bought a Sprint car and they quit racing that class locally, guy was going to build me a modified...skipped town and I worked at his shop

Tried to get into race boats same bs, wasn’t what they said, or no title. Got to have a title here even on race boats.

I gave up on the dream, sucks but it seemed like someone was trying to tell me something lol

 

[akmike47]

damn, you just love making stuff up, at least you know what the inside of your large intestine looks like.
the saying isn’t from the 50s it was from decades before.

I never said it originated from the 50's; I said​

"The saying holds true, today, as it did in the 1950's at the DRAG STRIP"​

Once again, your words not mine​

dragsters the 50s didn’t have 11,000hp <(the poorly written statement, was quoted verbatim, blame the writer)

No shit moron. Did you have to look this one up? I'm posting factual links from Modern top fuel drag cars.​

I never said they did, Once again, your words not mine​

VW Boss Basically Says There's No Replacement For Displacement

Herbert Diess, head of the VW brand, says downsizing is dead.

news.yahoo.com

Jörn Gander: There Is No Replacement For Displacement! - collectorscarworld

Nine hundred horses and a whopping 1,250 newton metres of torque. They are figures that bend the world of physics. However, for Brabus, they are a reality. A

collectorscarworld.com

Keep trying, you can do it

These links mean nothing really, ones about beating emissions. Just because a phrase is used doesn’t make it 100% fact. In fact there are replacements for displacement which we’ve discussed.

I didn’t have to look it up I’m not retarded

I didn’t look at any of your previous links because you’re a moron and continue to prove it.

“Famous for his statement "there's no replacement for displacement," Walter Owen Bentley upped the displacement of his 3 Litre sports car in 1926, producing the 4½ Litre. In search of even more power, Bentley's "Bentley Boys" took control of the company, producing the famed "Blower" supercharged version of the car.”

 

[babyguppy]

These links mean nothing really, ones about beating emissions. Just because a phrase is used doesn’t make it 100% fact. In fact there are replacements for displacement which we’ve discussed.

I didn’t have to look it up I’m not retarded

I didn’t look at any of your previous links because you’re a moron and continue to prove it.

 

[akmike47]

That’s liberal playbook #1 play the victim. The also the old man move to make everything political after you say some stupid shit about unrelated subjects.

It wouldn’t be name calling if I said “hey retard” randomly I said you are retarded after you showed you are, that’s stating the obvious.

 

[babyguppy]

That’s liberal playbook #1 play the victim.

It wouldn’t be name calling if I said “hey retard” randomly I said you are retarded after you showed you are, that’s stating the obvious.

 

[akmike47]

Yeah exactly put a sign up so people know how you’re feeling.

“Square displace more than circle”

 

[babyguppy]

ahh butthurt your feelings

Mike furiously types his reply

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

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No biggie. Mark Worman can fix it.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Way too much displacement

 

[akmike47]

ahh butthurt your feelings

Mike furiously types his reply

I’m not butt hurt at all, why would your stupidity make me angry and on the internet of all places?

I don’t have to be mad to call you retarded, or reply with memes. I’m not a thin skinned twat like you are lol. I just enjoy this.

 

[akmike47]

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Way too much displacement

But no replacement....

 

[Shooter McGavin]

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Way too much displacement

That is one of the biggest mistakes I see all the time. You can actually get a faster car on track it you put the right suspension and wide as fuck tires underneath the car. You can be faster than a car that has more displacement because everyone has got to turn on a road course, lefts and rights

 

[akmike47]

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Way too much displacement

I have a stock .28cc engine running 25% nitro at about 4hp at 34,000rpm.

I also have a stock 26cc engine running race gas at 2.9hp and 8,900rpm

Looks like nitro and Rpm beat the almost 10x displacement...

 

[akmike47]

That is one of the biggest mistakes I see all the time. You can actually get a faster car on track it you put the right suspension and wide as fuck tires underneath the car. You can be faster than a car that has more displacement because everyone has got to turn on a road course, lefts and rights

I’ve seen some of the miatas keeping up with shit you wouldn’t think they could in the corners

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

So, the Hell Cat is what? Like a 426 CI motor? But what did they do to get the power out of it? Boost and tuners!! To get the same numbers they would need some more cubic inches and the gas mileage would suck.
And the original statement was... The saying is outdated. Even in top fuel. If I remember correctly it was John Force's team that designed the testing for their blowers to get the optimal performance out of them. All of those cars are computer run and the tuners spend as much time on computers as the engine builders.

 

[akmike47]

So, the Hell Cat is what? Like a 426 CI motor? But what did they do to get the power out of it? Boost and tuners!! To get the same numbers they would need some more cubic inches and the gas mileage would suck.
And the original statement was... The saying is outdated. Even in top fuel. If I remember correctly it was John Force's team that designed the testing for their blowers to get the optimal performance out of them. All of those cars are computer run and the tuners spend as much time on computers as the engine builders.

I just learned F1 cars are only 1.6L V6....holy shit. Not a smartass comment I don’t follow it. That’s crazy but that’s near 20,000 rpm, crazy electronics, and turbos for you I guess

 

[GBMaryland]

That is one of the biggest mistakes I see all the time. You can actually get a faster car on track it you put the right suspension and wide as fuck tires underneath the car. You can be faster than a car that has more displacement because everyone has got to turn on a road course, lefts and rights

Back in the early 2000s were used to watch that happen with the Corvettes and the Porsche 911‘s…. The corvettes would destroy them on the straight parts of the course but would get eaten alive in the turns.

obviously things are a little different now but nevertheless it was pretty funny to watch…

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Okay, we need a horse power, tuner, turbo, nos and whatever thread.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

I just learned F1 cars are only 1.6L V6....holy shit. Not a smartass comment I don’t follow it. That’s crazy but that’s near 20,000 rpm, crazy electronics, and turbos for you I guess

The US Grand Prix was this past weekend. 45 mph corner into the back stretch with the top speed at the end was over 200 mph in 8th gear.
Very few of those cars drop out because of engine failure. Kinda crazy for the RPM they run.

 

[GhostFace]

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Nice

 

[eflyguy]

My "daily" Kia out-runs Hellcats at the 1/8 strip. It isn't stock, but other than the performance (and my family), nobody knows. Est 450 HP but about 540 ft/lbs, right off idle. Twin-turbo V6 with an 8-speed auto that is as crisp as any dual-clutch hypercar I've ever driven. The ECU was modified by a local guy who does top-end AMG and M-cars, he wanted to get into this market. Mine was one of his early experiments.

My daughter and I race Autocross, I have won my class every time and it's heavy as a pig (4200lbs or so). It's AWD and I would never buy a non-AWD performance car (this isn't my first.) It's faster than a mid-2000's Lamborghini or R8 (and I've driven them, on racetracks)..

We have other cars with more "power" in the family and regularly run them at the strip, but they are awful to drive up in the mountains. My Stinger drives like it's on rails and you have to *really* push the envelope to even get a twitch out of it. I can drift it, even with all the electronic goodies enabled. One day the exhaust broke on her Corvette so she rode with me on the course. I have video, she was yelling "oh my god" half way thru and to the end.

Pretty passionate about performance in our family, but I've never felt the desire to own an outright monster. My ex's brother has a Mach 1 and has invested tons in performance, but it only works in a straight line. We have several other "classics" with that kind of performance, one is a stick and I'm the only one that can extract the most of it at the strip (I grew up with manuals) but other than racing in a straight line or picking up my daughter when she was in middle school, it's not a fun car to drive. Sounds great..

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

How many liters in the Kia?

My "daily" Kia out-runs Hellcats at the 1/8 strip. It isn't stock, but other than the performance (and my family), nobody knows. Est 450 HP but about 540 ft/lbs, right off idle. Twin-turbo V6 with an 8-speed auto that is as crisp as any dual-clutch hypercar I've ever driven. The ECU was modified by a local guy who does top-end AMG and M-cars, he wanted to get into this market. Mine was one of his early experiments.

My daughter and I race Autocross, I have won my class every time and it's heavy as a pig (4200lbs or so). It's AWD and I would never buy a non-AWD performance car (this isn't my first.) It's faster than a mid-2000's Lamborghini or R8 (and I've driven them, on racetracks)..

We have other cars with more "power" in the family and regularly run them at the strip, but they are awful to drive up in the mountains. My Stinger drives like it's on rails and you have to *really* push the envelope to even get a twitch out of it. I can drift it, even with all the electronic goodies enabled. One day the exhaust broke on her Corvette so she rode with me on the course. I have video, she was yelling "oh my god" half way thru and to the end.

Pretty passionate about performance in our family, but I've never felt the desire to own an outright monster. My ex's brother has a Mach 1 and has invested tons in performance, but it only works in a straight line. We have several other "classics" with that kind of performance, one is a stick and I'm the only one that can extract the most of it at the strip (I grew up with manuals) but other than racing in a straight line or picking up my daughter when she was in middle school, it's not a fun car to drive. Sounds great..

 

[eflyguy]

How many liters in the Kia?

3.3

I get ~27mpg on the highway. Best 0-60 I've recorded (I have pro recording equipment) is 3.7.

You can find plenty of videos but mostly of stock ones, which are good for about 167mph. I've had mine to 176 and it was a long way from done, but I was coming up on an intersection and that was enough for me. Go to jail, directly to jail, do not pass Go. It's estimated good for 190 - it's one slippery beast.

 

[lariat]

OK, I gotta question: is the Hellcat everything its cracked up to be? I was thinking I want one of the last Hellcat Durangos. My dog's ears and jowls need to flop fast from the passengers seat. He has needs.

 

[roostercogburn98]

OK, I gotta question: is the Hellcat everything its cracked up to be? I was thinking I want one of the last Hellcat Durangos. My dog's ears and jowls need to flop fast from the passengers seat. He has needs.

They are impressive with the red key. Mopar has a bad rep for cam/lifter issues though. If you wanna goes balls deep on a mopar badge, get a helephant

 

[Fig]

I’m blocking this thread. When dirty D comes in and sees what you’re doing to The motivational picture thread there’s not enough eye bleach in the world to stop the horror.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Starting a new thread.
Some people need their spank materials without interruption.

 

[eflyguy]

My daughter launching my ex's brother's Mach 1.

 

[akmike47]

I’m blocking this thread. When dirty D comes in and sees what you’re doing to The motivational picture thread there’s not enough eye bleach in the world to stop the horror.

Coward

 

[akmike47]

I see no reason to wait on D

 

[eflyguy]

In her daily Challenger. She recently sold her C5, and inexplicably we never got any pics of her launching that.

 

[geek65]

I see no reason to wait on D
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[eflyguy]

When she drove an LP560-4 while still in high school...

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

New thread is up.

 

[mtrmn]

This is the fastest I've scrolled through this thread so far.