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I want to say it was in France late '44 or early '45 and there were a few damaged Tiger I's on rail cars to be shipped back to the factory to be repaired when the Germans were ambushed by US forces. The Germans were able to get in the Tigers and do some stuff before overwhelmed.
Even disabled and tore up, the Tigers were formidable.
 
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I want to say it was in France late '44 or early '45 and there were a few damaged Tiger I's on rail cars to be shipped back to the factory to be repaired when the Germans were ambushed by US forces. The Germans were able to get in the Tigers and do some stuff before overwhelmed.
Even disabled and tore up, the Tigers were formidable.
IIRC the German tanks had a positive kill ratio vs. pretty much anything that they came up against including Shermans, the problem was the German tanks were so well made that they were difficult to produce in sufficient numbers. The US on the other hand could build and deliver 10 Sherman tanks for every Panzer or Tiger, we beat them with sheer numbers.
 
IIRC the German tanks had a positive kill ratio vs. pretty much anything that they came up against including Shermans, the problem was the German tanks were so well made that they were difficult to produce in sufficient numbers. The US on the other hand could build and deliver 10 Sherman tanks for every Panzer or Tiger, we beat them with sheer numbers.
True, although you can argue about well made. Consider that there were only about 1200 Tigers made for the entire war. The Russians made about 40,000 T-34's. About the "well made", that's subjective and arguable. We talk about over engineered at times, but the fact remains that the early German tanks were little more than machine gun carriers (panzer I's), mortars/howitzers (panzer II's) at the start of the war. The French had much better and more numerous tanks (like the Somua or Bis 1) but used them improperly and piecemeal. The later tanks like the Tiger and Panther were horribly unreliable with transmission failures most common. It's been said more of the Tigers and Panthers were lost to breakdown and abandonment than to enemy action. On top of that, repair was a nightmare. You have to remove the turret to get to the transmission. At best a swap out may be a two day job. VS 4 or 5 hours for the Sherman. Many tank guys think the Panzer IV was their best tank overall. If the Panther came out a little earlier with the bugs worked out and in number, that could have been a game changer. But when you deploy 24 tanks and 2 out of 3 don't go beyond 20 miles before a major breakdown, well you know.
 
True, although you can argue about well made. Consider that there were only about 1200 Tigers made for the entire war. The Russians made about 40,000 T-34's. About the "well made", that's subjective and arguable. We talk about over engineered at times, but the fact remains that the early German tanks were little more than machine gun carriers (panzer I's), mortars/howitzers (panzer II's) at the start of the war. The French had much better and more numerous tanks (like the Somua or Bis 1) but used them improperly and piecemeal. The later tanks like the Tiger and Panther were horribly unreliable with transmission failures most common. It's been said more of the Tigers and Panthers were lost to breakdown and abandonment than to enemy action. On top of that, repair was a nightmare. You have to remove the turret to get to the transmission. At best a swap out may be a two day job. VS 4 or 5 hours for the Sherman. Many tank guys think the Panzer IV was their best tank overall. If the Panther came out a little earlier with the bugs worked out and in number, that could have been a game changer. But when you deploy 24 tanks and 2 out of 3 don't go beyond 20 miles before a major breakdown, well you know.
Excellent book out called KRUPP or the KRUPP Family. About the main armament supplier to Germany starting before WWI.... It talks about the tanks later in the war and how the quality dropped off greatly and were thrown together fairly quickly... Really poor quality and reliability problems.
 
True, although you can argue about well made. Consider that there were only about 1200 Tigers made for the entire war. The Russians made about 40,000 T-34's. About the "well made", that's subjective and arguable. We talk about over engineered at times, but the fact remains that the early German tanks were little more than machine gun carriers (panzer I's), mortars/howitzers (panzer II's) at the start of the war. The French had much better and more numerous tanks (like the Somua or Bis 1) but used them improperly and piecemeal. The later tanks like the Tiger and Panther were horribly unreliable with transmission failures most common. It's been said more of the Tigers and Panthers were lost to breakdown and abandonment than to enemy action. On top of that, repair was a nightmare. You have to remove the turret to get to the transmission. At best a swap out may be a two day job. VS 4 or 5 hours for the Sherman. Many tank guys think the Panzer IV was their best tank overall. If the Panther came out a little earlier with the bugs worked out and in number, that could have been a game changer. But when you deploy 24 tanks and 2 out of 3 don't go beyond 20 miles before a major breakdown, well you know.
Excellent book out called KRUPP or the KRUPP Family. About the main armament supplier to Germany starting before WWI.... It talks about the tanks later in the war and how the quality and reliability dropped off greatly.