No doubt that's one factor.
The vaccine makers/providers are afraid of lawsuits from the illegals is yet another.
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No doubt that's one factor.
The vaccine makers/providers are afraid of lawsuits from the illegals is yet another.
Well, it probably would sound that way when the only "news" that you watch is cnn.......
BTW, the incremental changes to the "definition" that the CDC have been making in the last year (if not 2 years) have been well documented. That is, if you are inclined to actually research and read the documentation.
This current definition means that I meet the requirements for vaccinated. In fact, everyone that got sick and took meds to get better is now vaccinated according to the CDC. Now leave me the fuck alone.
I think it's just studying up on the latest commie talking points.
Somehow the distinction between what the policy question of what constitutes "vaccinated" (or if you look later, "vaccination") ended up differing from what IS a "vaccine." I mean the ignorance of not understanding how the former is a policy question and the latter a fact is, in a word, tremendous.
If that's what you need to justify it to make you feel better. Good for you. It still doesn't change the facts that they are moving the goal post and like Charlie Brown you keep trying to kick the ball.
Again, who are "they"?
You don't have to invent your own facts, just say you don't believe the government. I don't either, but I don't have to make up reasons. I don't believe the government because to believe the government is unamerican. That doesn't mean the definition of a "vaccine" has changed before or after that. I don't rely on the government to tell me what a "vaccine" is, not before COVID nor after.
So you are hung up on who "they" are and not that it's actually been done?
Good grief.
Good grief.
It hasn't any bearing whether you do, those to come or those who haven't seen the previous definitions
are the target.
The definition was fine until the Rona showed up.
Wonder why?
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Ok, let me ask you, once again without slinging insults and just the facts, did you read the study? Did you source the other studies? Did you see the VAERS report? Vaccine event and reaction is hovering between 1% and 7%. I know of personal events in my family where several of our members were sick with COVID, and all vaccinated. Uncle who died one month after his last shot from a heart condition that he previously didn't have, father who has blood clots and a D-Dimer test in the 3000's, I sat there with him as they scanned him for blood clots, anecdotal yes but anecdote that points to something. How about the rash of dead soccer stars just in one week? How about children here and in the UK who are coming down with myocarditis, a disease not formally present in children to any degree? Cruise ships filled with all vaccinated crew and passengers having COVID blowouts. The list goes on and on.
What is the agenda of those scientists denying the vaccine? If the vaccine was life saving why would those doctors and scientists risk their careers and go out on a limb to show that they could actually be dangerous, what do they have to gain? Seems like they have everything to loose.
You have no facts and that is why you sling insults instead of data, let alone even one single anecdote. The fact is that you don't want to read or educate yourself and there is no amount of data or evidence that will change your mind. Good luck with that.
This is the insanity you wish to ignore!
More VC Nurses Blow Whistle on ‘Overwhelming’ Numbers of Heart Attacks, Clotting, Strokes - The Conejo Guardian
After the Conejo Guardian’s report on alarming trends in Ventura County hospitals, more nurses have come forward to affirm the rise in unexplained heart problems, strokes and blood clotting in local vaccinated patient populations.
conejoguardian.org
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That's called cognitive dissonance, and we all get it from time to time, but the smart ones realize they are susceptible and know they could have beliefs that are bullshit. The dummies just keep on going despite the universe crashing around them.
MA governor is ordering National Guard to work at the hospital "because of the surging Omicron cases".
Omicron is not making people sick.
He is needing to put the Guard in Hospitals because nurses have quit rather than get vaccinated.
In less than 6 months the Guard has.....
1. Drove school busses because the failure to reopen the RMV meant school bus drivers could not update/renew their drivers licenses. Covid mismanagement.
2. Have worked exterior security at prisons because DOC people have quit rather than take the vaccine. Covid mismanagement.
3. 500 NG will work at hospitals and they are lying about the reason why. Covid mismanagement.
He has not tried to backfill PO jobs with the Guard yet and would have legal issues doing it.
Thing is they dont realize that the Guard guys with the skills to be a "replacement/scab" are probably doing those same jobs during the work week. They are jail guards and nurses sometimes.
When you take them from there week job you create a shortage where they worked by filling a shortage on orders.
Dumb.
it is easier to fool somebody than to convince them they have been fooled.
the hc company i work for is up to 300+ positions to fill, due to certain modalities requiring the clotshots.
funny thing is we are getting desperate requests from other hc companies asking if we can help them, lol.
right. as i told everyone before, our company had decent adoption rates when they were telling people it was 100% effective and safe.
by summertime and after the vaccinated started getting sick, frontline staff basically quit getting them.
they see it. i have to help HR with their reporting so i can tell you if they didn't get the shots already, very few want to risk their long term health to "protect" themselves from something they have been treating for almost 2 years.
Ha... yes! Twain!
Well, they have duly fucked themselves into a corner. None of this follows any logic, and that's why everyone is in trouble now. Sounds like you dodged things to a degree?
they aren't firing people yet, unless they work at a hospital or location where they require it, so i am thus far not impacted.
when possible, some are being put on unpaid leave of absence.
in this use case, "vaccinated" means taking 2 doses and a booster shot of an experimental mRNA treatment.
in no way are these vaccines, which up recently now induce the production of virus specific antibodies.
these treatments induce the production of spike proteins, and if your immune system is compromised or not working, what does that do?
these are at best failed therapeutics, and at worse, hurting a large number of people while providing little or no benefit to the victims.
What is and isn't "vaccinated" is a policy question, not one that can be answered by science. It's a judgment call.
What is and isn't a "vaccine" is a fact, a fact at odds with your claims.
The idea that the vaccines provide "little or no benefit" is a value judgment, however, any rational review of the evidence would demonstrate those statements to be laughable at the least and outright lies at best. Massive benefits that you don't value, perhaps, but "no" benefit? Asinine nonsense. I would even point out that the fact that you use the phrase "little or no," demonstrates that you have zero evidence to support your claims. If the effect was zero, you'd say so. If the effect was weak, you'd have a number. Instead, you characterize an empirical question as a wishy washy opinion.
if somebody had real covid already and has lasting natural immunity, what is the benefit of the spike protein mrna injections?
even if people didn't have covid, they are 99.x% assured of no serious illness from covid in the first place, per the people you trust.
vaccines (up to now) are typically dead or attenuated versions of the virus, which causes your body to think they are infected and respond accordingly to produce anitbodies that can quickly react to exposure (to that virus) before it advances to an illness.
the mRNA fools your body into producing a component of the virus itself. it is not even close to the same thing.
also, until wuflu, a "vaccine" had to be >90% effective for at least 12 months.
Yeah, no one needs their own body producing Virus parts.
"Non-GMO" is a selling point in the Whole Foods store frequented by the Covid worshippers wearing their masks and pushing the vaccine yet they directly inject shit into their own bodies to make them permanently "GMO".
If you had 3 polio vaccines in 9 months and then still got polio, would you not have some questions?
Vaccine.
Pre-2021: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.
Post-2021: A preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but some can be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.
i am not even saying something like this could never work, but it is obvious now that the mRNA was too specific to the spike protein of the original strain (rather than the entire virus) and so a small variation in that spike protein (delta and omicron) made it ineffective. worse, people's bodies were overloaded making the wrong shit, and that seems to be why the vaccinated are getting sick more and not less (ade or something like it).
No offense intended, but that analysis is getting far too granular for my tastes (even if it is true, which I am going to assume it is). And, LBC (again, no offense intended), your target audience is never going to listen to the logic that your are posting, I tend to think you are probably wasting your time.
My point being; It is absolutely mind boggling that in this day and age, with the huge advances in medical technology that have taken place in the past 40 years or less, that the medical community could get things SO wrong. I have an extremely hard time believing that the medical community are collectively this stupid. The general public ? begrudgingly, yes. Just look at the massive numbers of sheep that still cannot grasp the levels of destruction that these "vaccines" have caused so far. It's only going to get worse (in terms of damage done).
There's only so much Kitty Litter available to spread over this fiasco. Then, the information/truth will start coming out in big enough waves that it can no longer be ignored or dismissed by the .gov's, msm or the medical community. The last person I would want to be when that happens is the present or past CEO of any of the companies involved in big pharma.
theLBC said:
i am not even saying something like this could never work, but it is obvious now that the mRNA was too specific to the spike protein of the original strain (rather than the entire virus) and so a small variation in that spike protein (delta and omicron) made it ineffective.
Yes, the vaccines replicate a very specific component of the COVID 19 virus, as you stated the spike protein. The new variations of the virus are so different that the vaccines have not kept up with the genetic changes, thus have become ineffective at combating new strains/variants. The nice thing about natural immunity is your body creates antibodies and defenses against multiple components of a virus, so one variant triggers some immune response that helps combat coming and new variants that fit a similar genetic profile. The human immune system is an amazing thing to behold.
i am not even saying something like this could never work, but it is obvious now that the mRNA was too specific to the spike protein of the original strain (rather than the entire virus) and so a small variation in that spike protein (delta and omicron) made it ineffective.
Yes, the vaccines replicate a very specific component of the COVID 19 virus, as you stated the spike protein. The new variations of the virus are so different that the vaccines have not kept up with the genetic changes, thus have become ineffective at combating new strains/variants. The nice thing about natural immunity is your body creates antibodies and defenses against multiple components of a virus, so one variant triggers some immune response that helps combat coming and new variants that fit a similar genetic profile. The human immune system is an amazing thing to behold.
Think about how dangerous a cornered animal is, all these people know that their necks are on the line, what policies or actions are they going to push in order to save their skins.
nothing happened to the sacklers, after purdue plead guilty to fraud and bribery. 500k dead and counting.
www.thetimes.co.uk
Strip Dame Dopesick of her title, Sackler opioid victims demand
Set in a mining town in the Appalachian mountains in rural North America, Dopesick examines the causes and effects of the opioid crisis caused by Purdue Pha
www.thetimes.co.uk
I've said it before & I'll say it again... This IGNORE button is the cat's meow!!!
Excellent point....nothing happened to the sacklers, after purdue plead guilty to fraud and bribery. 500k dead and counting.
Strip Dame Dopesick of her title, Sackler opioid victims demand
Set in a mining town in the Appalachian mountains in rural North America, Dopesick examines the causes and effects of the opioid crisis caused by Purdue Pha
So much for the conspiracy theory!
(This is not directed at you, but rather everyone)
If people just paid attention to what their elected officials are doing, this shit wouldn’t be lumped in with the other “conspiracy” bullshit. You can literally go to the their own town halls and websites to see what they are drafting, co-sponsoring, and voting on (as well as timelines). A better link to provide for stuff like this is that of the actual state’s legislative website, rather than random news outlets.
People are way too infatuated with national politics when their local/state politics are actually crippling them. Both are obviously important but the federal govt can’t do shit to most citizens if their local govt steps the fuck up and tells them to pipe down. :: points to FL ::
my brother had a stroke 2 days after the clotshot.
my daughter's bf has a "rare" liver cancer that is usually found in old alcoholics (he doesn't even drink). he got the vax last spring.
if you think it is rare, check the lists.
They were all FULL OF SHIT. what is different now?
they were way off on efficacy? you trust their opinions on safety?
they were way off on efficacy? you trust their opinions on safety?
It is all manipulation of numbers and typical government crap. They can make catastrophic failure look good and the sheep keep on sheeping. There will be many, many more issues arise as time goes on with the mRNA "vaccines". The simple truth is they were not studied sufficiently and the studies used broke every rule previously used for sound epidemiological and pharmaceutical studies with no placebo/control group. The very fact that they want to force them on 5 to 18 age groups who statistically are at zero risk from covid is mind boggling. They literally have more chance of dying from lightening strikes than covid. Now cue the "for the safety of your peers" argument. Also BS since it has been proven time and time again that vaccinated catch and shed the virus in at least as high a numbers as non vaccinated. People that can't fathom being wrong will continue to double down and booster into infinity to not be wrong.......others are just plainly too stupid to rationally research for themselves and come to individual decisions. It's obvious when they can be lied to time and time again about the vaccine and continue to be on board. Get the vaccine they say....it will prevent you from catching covid, shedding covid and going to the hospital. Each is now both proven wrong and the CDC acts like they never said these things all the while literally changing the definition of the word vaccine to fit whatever stage of proven wrong they are currently covering up. Fully vaccinated will advance to a 4th booster by mid next year with no improvement in efficacy over the current failure. I am sure of that just as I am sure the self righteous downzeros of the world will continue to refuse to be wrong in the face of irrefutable and overwhelming evidence. At least he hasn't broken out his classic condescending retort about how he puts more rounds down range with his pistol than anybody on this board. I'll bet he wears a mask alone at the range but at least it hides his know it all smirk.
i don't know if he is correct, but JFK Jr claims that they want to get kids because if the vaccine is recommended for kids, there is automatically no liability for adverse reactions, even if the vaccine is given to adults. i don't know if that is true, but i see no benefit to giving clotshots vs letting them get natural immunity.
The J&J does not use mRNA technology.
It is not true that the vaccinated "catch and shed" the virus the same as the unvaccinated. The truth is far different from that, as the vast majority of vaccinated people never get infected and people who are not infected cannot transmit the virus to anyone. Whoever told you that is peddling nonsense. Vaccinated people who become infected are less likely to transmit the virus to anyone else, and generally suffer far less than those who become infected while remaining unvaccinated.
Other claims you make are future empirical claims (the future effects of future, not yet authorized boosters). Given that you're making claims that are demonstrably false to anyone who isn't utterly innumerate, I have zero confidence in your claims about the future.
The definition of a vaccine has not changed. What constitutes "vaccinated" is not the same thing as what is a vaccine. The former is a policy question and the latter is a fact.
The only "irrefutable and overwhelming" evidence is that the vaccines are highly effective at both blocking infection and reducing its seriousness if a person becomes infected.
Masks, policy questions, and all that aside, you're welcome to your own opinion. You're not welcome to your own facts. The facts about the vaccine efficacy are not for you to decide. Facts are stubborn things--they will persist despite your denial.
Masks are also a distraction from the facts. Masks are stupid. Vaccines are not.
oops
CDC recommends Pfizer, Moderna vaccines over J&J shots for adults due to rare blood clot cases
The CDC has confirmed 54 cases of people developing blood clots and showing low blood platelet levels following J&J vaccination.
www.cnbc.com
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