My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

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Hello, new to the forum here. I just went to Dick's and bought my first bolt-action rifle. Recently I decided to move to long range shooting and leave my comfort zone of the M4 and my XDm pistols. I was unaware of what ADL/BDL/CDL meant until after the purchase I guess you can say I went blind like my magazine (lol). I want to eventually hit 1000 yds with my rifle, and hopefully I will be able to with this set up once it has been modified. It is a Remington ADL Varmint chambered in .308, 26 inch heavy barrel, with the X-Mark Pro trigger. I just ordered a new Remington BDL floorplate assembly to make the conversion from ADL to BDL, and a H-S Precision PST-012 stock. I am kind of lost as to what type of scope to buy, so maybe you guys can give me some suggestions? This is what you would call a budget project being as I'm a full time pre-med student here in FL. So please don't send me after a $3,000.00 scope, lol. Here are some pics of the beginning project.
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Re: My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

For someone trying to stay on a budget, I would consider looking at a used Leupold Mark4 scope. Sure, there are better and lesser scopes out there, but I'm trying to keep in mind the budget issue. Other scopes to consider would be the Vortex, Viper, and Super Sniper.

I would also consider a really sturdy one piece base with 15-20 MOA built into it so your scope doesn't struggle as much to get sufficient elevation for 1000 yards/meters.

If the rifle isn't glass bedded, I strongly recommend you consider reading the tutorial on how to do that, then bed it yourself. It isn't a really complex task, and is something that usually rewards you with a considerable improvement in accuracy and consistency.
 
Re: My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

Look at Super Sniper optics. If you dont reload that would be where Id suggest to start learning and investing next. Factory ammo just isnt gonna cut it at 1k when you make it that far. Start closer though. Work out to 600 and see how you do. Distance is about driving the rifle correctly and oping the wind correctly. Just cause you can get your rifle to group well at 100 yards dosent mean that youll be able to hold that ratio farther out. Read, read, read, read, read! This place is an amazing wealth of information free for the taking. Use it. Also think about signing up for the Snipers Hide Online training.
 
Re: My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

for the "cheapest" scope as in cost the least least, scan the optics for sale for a falcon menace 4-14x44, should run you about 300.00 bucks and is a good beginner's scope, I had one, and never had an issue wih it. once your rifle starts to "lag" due to optics put the menace back up the for sale board and try and find you a SWFA super sniper, that one should last you a long time and still hold a great deal of it's value when it comes time to sell again, or hold onto it and put it on a different rifle.
 
Re: My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

Hey good luck getting into med school! I just finished my second year and take my Step 1 this Tuesday. It would help if you would set a budget for your scope. You say no $3000 scopes but what about a $1000 scope? SWFA is having a group buy right now. Go to the optics section and find the thread about the group buy and check out the scope. It is a $1500 optic that they are selling for $1000 if you buy before the 17th. It's a lot of money but the optic will last you for quite a while and help you reach the 1000 yard line. If $1000 is too much, the optics forum is filled with threads about great scopes for varying prices so I would check that out.
 
Re: My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

Congrats on starting your third year. Doing rotations will be fun Im sure! I have a relatively strong Ophthalmic and Plastic background, and even a bit of trauma. Very strange mix I know, lol. I am probably going to have to hold off on an optic until August-ish due to funding, but would not be opposed to spending $1000-$1500. I want something with the functional ability to be able to shoot at 100 yards, but be able to function at 1000 yards as well. Do the HS-Precision stocks need to be glass bedded as well? I shot the rifle for the first time today, very impressed by the accuracy and even the crappy little Remington scope, lol. I am glad I have the BDL kit on the way, I absolutely hate the ADL configuration. I can't wait until I install the stock, I already have the mod bug lol.
 
Re: My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

add a harris bipod HARRIS / HARRIS STYLED BIPODS, and an oversized bolt knob too. don't overlook a nice 1 piece scope base (+ or 0 moa) and quality rings.

+1 on a manners or mcmillian - alittle more $ but a few more features for your future endevours.

dare i suggest a choate tactical?
http://www.combatstocks.com/choate-products.cfm
(under $225)
 
Re: My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clj94104</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I am probably going to have to hold off on an optic until August-ish due to funding, but would not be opposed to spending $1000-$1500.</div></div>

Waiting 'til August will cost you $500 extra for the new SS 5-20X50. If at all possible, find a way to scrape together the money. This scope will probably be the only one you would ever need. Another option if you must wait is the Vortex Viper PST line. Just my 2 cents worth.

Bedding that HS Precision is not an absolute necessity, but is something I would do as funds/time permit.
 
Re: My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

I hope you BDL assembly comes with all of the screws required.

The kit that they sell on Brownells required the purchase of one additional screw (they may have changed that). Don't ask me why it was not included in the kit.

I have a couple of HS precision stocks and a B&C stock.

They are all different profiles.
I have the B&C varmint/tactical stock. It is a good stock, though heavy. The forend is very "blocky" and really made for shooting from a bench. It is a well made stock and damn near a steal for the 225 bucks.

I have a Rem 5R in the HS precision stock. I really like this stock, though the grip area is too short. It is significantly lighter than the B&C. It is a rock solid stock and you can usually find "take off" stocks for about 250. New they cost about 380. It is almost the same as the 700P stock, just a little shorter in the forearm area. One thing I don't like about it is the thin butt pad. A long string of fire from prone begins to tell on you.

I also have the hunting version of the HS precision stock that they put on the senderos and varmint specials. It does not have the palm swell, is thinner in the forearm but is an excellent stock. (better pad too).

The one problem with the HS stocks is the fact that the comb is too low and you end up building it up with foam and a stock pack.

All that being said, my recommendation is either the B&C light tactical or the B&C M40 style stock. They are both lighter than the varmint/tactical stock and are both more suited for general purpose use. They also run about 220 - 240 dollars. A substantial savings over the HS Precision and the B&C's have a higher comb, though you will most likely want to add a stock pack anyway.

As far as glass, depending on your ultimate budget my first three recommendations would be:
Weaver 3-15x FFP tactical (illuminated model) about 750

Vortex PST 4-16 FFP (about 850)

Bushnell 3-12 FFP not sure what they are going for.

If money is really tight, I have been using a Falcon Menace 4-14 EMD mil/mil scope. I took the turret caps off and cleaned the heavy grease out, lubed with silicone spray. It is a very good scope, the glass is surprisingly good (not as good as the other recommendations), the reticle is excellent, teh tracking good. Lowlight performance is not as good as the other recommendations.
They also make a 5.5-25x illuminated model now.
 
Re: My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

Waiting for new stock to come in, should be here I'm guessing by week's end. Should I sell the old Remington camo ADL one? I don't think I'd ever use it again... How much you guys think I should ask? BTW I am lucky, I actually bought the BDL floorplate assembly with all screws included. Gentleman was building a total of 3 custom rifles and they were new pull offs. :)
 
Re: My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

I could probably buy the glass on group buy now, but I just can't bear to bring my funds that low for this semester. I need to be able to account for any fun little things life throws at you, like a blown tire or something. :-( I am new to scopes, and I was looking at that SS 5-20X50, is HD what I'm envisioning in my head?
 
Re: My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

By the way, to the members of the forum... My hat is off to you for being so welcoming to someone who has absolutely no idea what he is doing with a bolt-action rifle, especially one who is trying to build one for long range/precision shooting. I did bring up the dreaded 1000 yd goal as well, lol. However, I am serious about hitting it once I get extremely proficient at 600 yds, etc.
 
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I just bought a SPS "Tactical" and my first upgrade was a HS stock so sounds like you have that covered. For my first scope I bought Nikon Monarch 5 x 20 ($419) and it seems to do pretty well for now. Don't go cheap on the mount or rings. I went with Burris Xtreme Tactical and Warne fixed rings.
 
Re: My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

Gentlemen, another dumb question... Why does everyone say to get a larger/oversized bolt knob? Is there a functional purpose? I really hate asking so many questions, and feeling like a noob, but its the only way to pick up on things...
 
Re: My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

Well, so far I have the BDL kit, HS-Precision PST-012 M24 stock, and EGW 20 MOA one piece scope base on the way. I would say the build is coming along rather nicely so far. Will post pics once all is installed later this week. Might buy a scope from Dick's to get me from here to there when I can buy the one I want to hit 1000 with. That will be a lot of practice, and a few months away. You guys think I should install the once piece base even though I'm not going to try and hit 1000 any time soon? (I may be ditching the el-cheapo Remington here shortly for something mid-range, it all depends) Or just save it for when I get the really really nice scope in a few months, and then install it.
 
Re: My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clj94104</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gentlemen, another dumb question... Why does everyone say to get a larger/oversized bolt knob? Is there a functional purpose? I really hate asking so many questions, and feeling like a noob, but its the only way to pick up on things... </div></div>

for the kind of shooting your doing I would hold of on the over sized bolt knob, work with your stock bolt knob and if your unhappy with it then worry about it, I'm happy with mine and see no reason to change it.
 
Re: My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: armydog</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clj94104</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gentlemen, another dumb question... Why does everyone say to get a larger/oversized bolt knob? Is there a functional purpose? I really hate asking so many questions, and feeling like a noob, but its the only way to pick up on things... </div></div>

for the kind of shooting your doing I would hold of on the over sized bolt knob, work with your stock bolt knob and if your unhappy with it then worry about it, I'm happy with mine and see no reason to change it. </div></div>


I would kind of agree with ADog.... Get the rifle out and shoot it, then make notes whenever something feels awkward... pay close attention to cheek weld/eye relief, trigger pull and running the bolt without breaking your shooting position or pulling your eye off the target....

My biggest issues with my new remington 700 ADL are so far in order

1. Front stabilization (shooting off of a wooden dowel rod sucks) - Bought a Harris Bipod used for 25$ from SH member Poke, great guy BTW and smooth transaction.

2. Trigger pull seems pretty heavy - going to buy an adjustable trigger when I get a few more of my totes-o-junk sold off. I operate on a cash only basis and have so much stuff stored in my garage and storage unit that I haven't used in years that I promised myself I would fund my firearms habbits ONLY with the proceeds of my "junk" sales (it's not really junk, just stuff I haven't used lately.)

3. The action/bolt manipulation on my R700 ADL seems very stiff and makes it difficult (I was not able to maintain a sight picture while manipulating the action on any of the 15 shots I took on my first range trip) to operate in a manner of which this rifle is meant. I want to be able to shoot it in some long range competitions and so I need for it to cycle smoothly so I can be efficient on "timed shoots". I'm not sure how I'm going o rectify this yet.... just thought I'd mention it to you.


Best of luck and have FUN!
 
Re: My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

Leupold VX-3 4-14x40 scope. Thoughts on range capabilities? 20 moa base is going to be used.... Want to have range from <100-1000 yards max if possible in the long run.
 
Re: My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

If you would like an oversize knob, look here:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2211269#Post2211269

Win/win, clamps on, if you decide you don't like it, take it off and sell it.
Can't do that with a custom bolt knob install.

As far as glass goes:
If what you have works, use it. You are most likely going to be shooting on a regular range for now. Save your pennies until you can drop the money on at least mid-priced glass.

My recommendation: Weaver 3-15x illuminated FFP mil-dot. About 750 bucks. Yes, it is entry level and should serve you fine.

Another option is the PST 4-16x at 850.

If you "MUST" get a different scope immediately and you have a tight budget then look at these:

Bushnell elite 10x mil/mil (usually around 200)

Falcon Menace fixed 10X
http://swfa.com/Falcon-Menace-10x42-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P49981.aspx

or 4-14x
http://swfa.com/Falcon-Menace-4-14x44-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P47573.aspx

or the SS 10X:
http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-10x42-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P499.aspx

The only problem with the base model SS is that it has a standard mil-dot and 1/4 inch adjustments whereas the others listed are mil/mil with enhanced reticles
 
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Too bad you ordered that bottom metal... I have a brand New Wyatts Detachable mag system and 2 5 round mags as well as a brand new B&C A2 stock I am selling... All brand new and never used.
Ive ordered a manners and a Badger BM so the above is for sale. The above should be in my hands come Thursday.

PM me if interested
 
Re: My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

Dang. Can't win em all lol. I do wish I had known, I like the detachable magazine feature. Oh, well. I am happy with the set up I have on the way too. I think I settled on a scope, a 6-26x 50mm Vortex Viper PST. If I can get ahold of a 10% off coupon from Opticsplanet I might pick one up sooner rather than later. A guy suggested a Leupold 6-18x 40mm scope for the mean time... What you guys think about that?
 
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Can't really go wrong with Leupold. I'm a Leupold junkie myself! But for your intended use, I'd say stick with the Viper. The 50mm will give you a better picture in low light conditions, and I personally like the greater magnification.

What do YOU think?
 
Re: My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

Just got back from picking up a torque wrench for the stock install. Also ordered Eagle Rifle Stock Pack in black. Heard good things about it through here. Stock and BDL kit should be here tomorrow, will post pics after install. I have searched TIRELESSLY for a 10% or higher coupon code for OpticsPlanet, anyone have info on where to get one? Might end up spending another $100 on the scope more than I thought. Apparently the Viper PST scope I was looking at for $749 wasn't FFP, from my research on the forum it sounds like something that might be worth having. Anyone else here agree?
 
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Do you want FFP? That feature typically adds to the price, so it's really up to you. Do you understand what FFP is and its purpose? It has its ups and downs compared to how you intend to use the scope.
 
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Again I'm really new to scopes, so no I don't understand what it is completely. It adds $100 to the scope to get FFP. As I understand it, it keeps the recticle the same values at high powers?
 
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If I do spend the money for a new scope now, I don't want to have to buy another for a long time. My intended purpose for this rifle is shooting mainly at 500-600 yards after I learn the rifle and am intimately familiar with it, and have a maximum range of 1000 yards. I may decide to go hunting some time in the future, I don't know. Haven't really been in forever (more than a decade), but this rifle would be more than capable of doing something like that.
 
Re: My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOP PREDATOR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">add a harris bipod HARRIS / HARRIS STYLED BIPODS, and an oversized bolt knob too. don't overlook a nice 1 piece scope base (+ or 0 moa) and quality rings.

+1 on a manners or mcmillian - alittle more $ but a few more features for your future endevours.

dare i suggest a choate tactical?
http://www.combatstocks.com/choate-products.cfm
(under $225) </div></div>

Took the advice and got a Harris Engineering 1A2-L 9-13" bipod. Thanks much... Done ordering parts for the rifle for at least 2-3 months. I figure I need to become proficient enough with the 4-12 Remington scope before I try and upgrade the glass.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clj94104</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I do spend the money for a new scope now, I don't want to have to buy another for a long time.</div></div>

Leupold Leupold Leupold! Look at the VX3 and Mark 4 models. They will serve you well, and will last an eternity with Leupold's amazing lifetime warranty.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clj94104</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My intended purpose for this rifle is shooting mainly at 500-600 yards after I learn the rifle and am intimately familiar with it, and have a maximum range of 1000 yards. I may decide to go hunting some time in the future, I don't know. Haven't really been in forever (more than a decade), but this rifle would be more than capable of doing something like that. </div></div>

Well, here's the deal. Since you're on a budget, you need to find a nice scope at a decent price. To reach distances of, or near, 1000yds, its mandatory that you learn to reload your own custom ammunition. Factory match ammunition will get the bullet there, but it won't be nearly as accurate as you need it to be. Reloading equipment, coupled with the countless trial and errors before finding that perfect load, is going to require a decent monetary investment. Save a little on the scope and find yourself some reloading equipment.

With that said, the Mark 4 is an amazing scope, but at a pretty high price tag. VX3 is not much different than the Mark 4 (less features, really), but with the same magnification of a Mark 4 you'll save a few hundred dollars. My advice: VX3.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Again I'm really new to scopes, so no I don't understand what it is completely. It adds $100 to the scope to get FFP. As I understand it, it keeps the recticle the same values at high powers? </div></div>

Typical scopes are SFP (second focal plane). That means that as you increase or decrease magnification, the reticule stays the same size.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Pros</span>: If you are shooting at a paper target that has a small bullseye that is covered by your reticule, simply increase the magnification. The bullseye will increase, but the reticule will remain a consistent thickness, enabling you to make a more precise shot. Increasing magnification solves the issue of your crosshairs or mil dot covering the target.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Cons</span>: Ranging a target by measuring it against your reticule can only be done at a specific magnification (usually its max). If you're in a scenario where you need to range a target quickly without a rangefinder, this would be inconvenient. Target acquisition is rough when looking for a small piece of paper 500yds away at maximum magnification.

Some scopes are FFP (first focal plane). That means that as you increase your magnification, the size of your reticule will also increase.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Pros</span>: Ranging targets with your reticule can be done at any magnification. Great for situations where you are required to shoot quickly at multiple targets without a rangefinder. You can keep the scope at a manageable low power where you can range a target, shoot, then easily find your next target without making any adjustments. Useful for hunters without rangefinders.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Cons</span>: reticule is often too large to be precise. If trying to shoot a plate sized target at 1000yds, you may find that your reticule covers the entire plate.

Basically, SFP is for precision, FFP is for tactical (generally speaking, of course).

My advice: from what it sounds like in your OP, I think SFP is the best option for you....AND its cheaper!
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Hope this helped.
 
Re: My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ZackG</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clj94104</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I do spend the money for a new scope now, I don't want to have to buy another for a long time.</div></div>

Leupold Leupold Leupold! Look at the VX3 and Mark 4 models. They will serve you well, and will last an eternity with Leupold's amazing lifetime warranty.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clj94104</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My intended purpose for this rifle is shooting mainly at 500-600 yards after I learn the rifle and am intimately familiar with it, and have a maximum range of 1000 yards. I may decide to go hunting some time in the future, I don't know. Haven't really been in forever (more than a decade), but this rifle would be more than capable of doing something like that. </div></div>

Well, here's the deal. Since you're on a budget, you need to find a nice scope at a decent price. To reach distances of, or near, 1000yds, its mandatory that you learn to reload your own custom ammunition. Factory match ammunition will get the bullet there, but it won't be nearly as accurate as you need it to be. Reloading equipment, coupled with the countless trial and errors before finding that perfect load, is going to require a decent monetary investment. Save a little on the scope and find yourself some reloading equipment.

With that said, the Mark 4 is an amazing scope, but at a pretty high price tag. VX3 is not much different than the Mark 4 (less features, really), but with the same magnification of a Mark 4 you'll save a few hundred dollars. My advice: VX3.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Again I'm really new to scopes, so no I don't understand what it is completely. It adds $100 to the scope to get FFP. As I understand it, it keeps the recticle the same values at high powers? </div></div>

Typical scopes are SFP (second focal plane). That means that as you increase or decrease magnification, the reticule stays the same size.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Pros</span>: If you are shooting at a paper target that has a small bullseye that is covered by your reticule, simply increase the magnification. The bullseye will increase, but the reticule will remain a consistent thickness, enabling you to make a more precise shot. Increasing magnification solves the issue of your crosshairs or mil dot covering the target.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Cons</span>: Ranging a target by measuring it against your reticule can only be done at a specific magnification (usually its max). If you're in a scenario where you need to range a target quickly without a rangefinder, this would be inconvenient. Target acquisition is rough when looking for a small piece of paper 500yds away at maximum magnification.

Some scopes are FFP (first focal plane). That means that as you increase your magnification, the size of your reticule will also increase.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Pros</span>: Ranging targets with your reticule can be done at any magnification. Great for situations where you are required to shoot quickly at multiple targets without a rangefinder. You can keep the scope at a manageable low power where you can range a target, shoot, then easily find your next target without making any adjustments. Useful for hunters without rangefinders.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Cons</span>: reticule is often too large to be precise. If trying to shoot a plate sized target at 1000yds, you may find that your reticule covers the entire plate.

Basically, SFP is for precision, FFP is for tactical (generally speaking, of course).

My advice: from what it sounds like in your OP, I think SFP is the best option for you....AND its cheaper!
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Hope this helped. </div></div>
I don't know if I can emphasize these words enough. THANK YOU for taking the time to help me with that. I was extremely lost. LOL. I agree with you, SFP sounds better for my application...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clj94104</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I don't know if I can emphasize these words enough. THANK YOU for taking the time to help me with that. I was extremely lost. LOL. I agree with you, SFP sounds better for my application... </div></div>

No problem!!! I wish you luck with your LR endeavors.
 
Re: My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

I just installed the HS-Precision PST-012 and the BDL kit. WOW!!! What a difference. I have to say I am thoroughly pleased with the stock, and kit. I can't say enough about the quality of the stock. It's extremely sturdy and solid, yet lighter than the original hollow bed Remington stock. All while incorporating an aluminum block/frame. It's also much more balanced. Harris bipod should be here tomorrow, and Eagle rifle stock pack should be here soon after. :-D
 
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It almost seems like a crime to keep the scope on there but I am trying to be budget conscious and not spend too much in the summer. :-( I am still waiting for the EGW 20moa one-piece base, and Eagle rifle stock pack. Both should be here next week. LOVE the Harris bipod btw, thanks for the suggestion, TOP PREDATOR. I'm kicking around the idea of spending $99 and getting the Vortex Crossfire 6-24x50 until I can get the Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50 late August/early September.
 
Re: My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

Decided to take the advice of a buddy of mine on here and get the Vortex Crossfire 6-24x50 mil-dot from SWFA with some cheap Weaver 6-hole tactical medium rings. That should last me until late August/early September when I can afford the Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50. If this Crossfire impresses me for $100, than I know I'll be impressed with the Viper PST too. Either way, I'm sure this Crossfire will blow my Remington 4-12x40 that came with the rifle out of the water....
 
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Getting a scope that's FFP isn't just about using the reticle for ranging, it's also about being able to use it for holdovers, holdunders, wind holds, and target leads at any magnification. With a SFP you can't do that, your reticle is only accurate at one magnification power. Granted, you can do some quick math to figure out what you need at simple magnification ranges, but it's a lot easier to just use a FFP scope.

The other important aspect to look at is if the turrets on the scope match the reticle you're using. If you're using a mil-dot reticle, but have MOA turrets, that's more extra math that you'll have to use. With matching turrets, if you see that you've missed the target by a mil, you can dial for that. If your turrets don't match, you'd have to convert from mils to moa and first and then dial. With a FFP mil/mil scope, at any magnification you can see that you've missed by a mil and easily dial it in, no math involved. With a SFP scope, it's really easy to forget what magnification you're on, to reset the magnification back to the right spot, to get a scope where the magnification ring doesn't actually match what real magnification you're on.

As far as a FFP reticle covering more of the target, that's not exactly correct either. As you dial the power of the FFP scope up, it's true that the reticle does get bigger, but so does the entire image of the target, because you're magnifying everything. It's true that a SFP will have a smaller reticle in relation to a FFP scope at the same magnification, but it's really not that big of a deal when you start to use it. The Viper PST's reticle is .04 mils thick, so at 1000 yards you'll be covering up a measly 1.44" of target. See? Not a big deal.

And finally, about the Vortex Crossfire... I currently own this scope and it sits ontop of my .22 rimfire that I play around with. It's not a great scope, at higher power the eyebox is small (meaning if you move your head much at all you lose your sight picture) and it can get kind of dark, plus the turrets don't match. But it tracks well and holds zero, so it gets the job done and I can't really complain too much considering the price. If you can scratch a little more cash together, I would take a hard look at the Falcon Menace FFP scope instead. I'd pick that up and use it until I was ready to upgrade to some good glass like the Vortex PST, SS HD, etc. etc.
 
Re: My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

I found a guy locally who is the authorized distributer for Vortex Optics here, and he has the Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50 FFP on his rifle. I have an appointment with him Monday to see the scope in person. I know that since I bought some pretty decent rings that the Vortex Crossfire 6-24x50 SHOULD last me in my target shooting endeavors for a few months with reasonable quality and clarity. I thank you for the additional information on the FFP, its something I am going to take a look at.
 
Re: My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

For $100 I should be pretty dang satisfied
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I looked trough a BSA 6-24x50 and it was nicer than my Remington scope, lol. From what I've read the Crossfire has MUCH better glass than the BSA... I am still lusting over the Viper PST, you guys have no idea how hard it is for me to exercise my self control and be patient....
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Re: My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

Just ordered the bolt lift from KRG. Thanks fdkay! I don't have a gunsmith in my area with whom I would trust doing a custom bolt knob install, and I hate the idea of sending any one of my guns' parts off, so this is perfect.
 
Re: My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

are you in green bay? i think i saw a lot of your take off parts on armslist? good looking gun, i recently purchased the same package at gander mountain; mine has the black varmint stock though.
 
Re: My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

No, actually in Tampa, FL. I got my rifle at Dick's Sporting Goods (Believe it or not they were the only people in a 15 mile radius that I checked that had a Remington 700 in .308. None of my regular gun shops had them!!) On top of it, I bought one of only two rifles they had in .308. I need to sell my stock and other stuff though. If you're thinking of replacing your stock, consider the HS-Precision. I love mine....
 
Re: My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

Doc/clj;

Whoa boy! What you have, the ADL .308 26", is perfectly adequate for your 1000yd intentions. The BDL bottom metal won't fit without a new stock or work to the existing one. Right now, it's just a formula for spending money without adding one iota of accuracy benefit. You'd get more bang for your buck by using the existing stock as a first bedding project. Every shooter should learn how to do that anyway.

If you have a scope, even a 3X-9X hunter, it's capable of shooting the rifle pretty much all the way to 1000yd. If you don't have a scope, cancel the bottom metal order, or sell it, and buy an inexpensive scope with the money.

I have 4 Tasco 6-24x42 Mildot Varmint/Target Scopes which list at or under $100 if you shop around (Part number VAR624X42M). It will get you out to shoot, and even if it fails, they cost less than a Benjamin.

The point here is to get you up and running ASAP, and as cheaply as possible. Med school is not the most economically opportune time to be indulging impluses to acquire uniquely exquisite anythings.

Go basic, go simple, go cheap; and leave the druthers for when the economics are more favorable.

Greg
 
Re: My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

Well, I have a few products that will be here Thursday including a scope (even though its a lower line of Vortex), I will be doing an un-boxing review of the scope and putting it on YouTube for people who haven't had any experience with it. I can tell you finding information on the Vortex Crossfire 1" tube 6-24x50 was almost impossible, but from what I gather it is a pretty decent entry level piece that will at least last a few months until I get a little more cash together. The review will be followed up by a range review with box test. Got some Weaver 1" medium height tactical rings waiting to be installed, which I'm really impressed with, and also I put on my Eagle rifle stock pack. Still waiting on the Vortex Crossfire 6-24x50 scope, butler creek caps, EGW 20moa HD 1 piece base, and KRG bolt lift. Those like I stated above should be here by Thursday. Will post pics with everything installed.
 
Re: My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

KRG Bolt lift oversized knob = win. It looks nice, feels strong, was easy to install, and made it A LOT easier to cycle my bolt. I have rather large hands, so this is perfect.
 
Re: My first bolt-action rifle. Help modifying please?

clj, I'm in Tampa and I also just bought my first bolt gun. Which gun ranges do you know of that are longer than 200 yards in the Tampa Bay area?
Also, who is the Vortex distributor that you know of in Tampa? I have a PST 6-24x FFP on order, and I'd like to see and touch one.