New .308 ...i need help!!

[tk8051]

I am brand new to this forum. I also am sure that this question has been answer and talked about more times than any of us care to think about.

I am in a pickle though. I am looking for a new semi auto .308, and can't decide which one.
I will be using this rifle for hunting, defense, and knocking expensive holes in paper from far away!
Range from 100-800yards

I want a precision rifle. I am not looking for a .308 carbine. But, like anyone else, I want the most bang for the buck.
I think i am between the following:

POF P308 - 2600.00
JP LPR-07M (new mil version) - 4600.00
LMT MWS - 3100.00

i also am interested in knights or larue, but I am super impatient! I called Larue, and they said it could be anywhere from 12 to 36 months before they deliver new orders.

Any help or experience would be awesome!!!
and please feel free to offer up other brands

 

[FCS]

http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/firearms-sale/200628-wts-wtt-gap10-308-a.html

GAP-10 in 308, no wait, great accuracy, known platform.

 

[KULT]

LMT, great service and great gun! Plus they are 2600-2800 for a 16 inch CL - It's better to just get an 18inch for 500 later and have two barrels.

 

[Redmanss]

http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/firearms-sale/200628-wts-wtt-gap10-308-a.html

GAP-10 in 308, no wait, great accuracy, known platform.

This in a New York minute.

 

[ptrlcop]

Any details on the JP LPR-07M? I could not find any info on the "m" version. I am 1 or 2 paychecks away from ordering my LRP

 

[samnev]

LMT, great service and great gun! Plus they are 2600-2800 for a 16 inch CL - It's better to just get an 18inch for 500 later and have two barrels.

+1 for the money the LMT MWS is hard to beat.

 

[tk8051]

Any details on the JP LPR-07M? I could not find any info on the "m" version. I am 1 or 2 paychecks away from ordering my LRP

Check out the new issue of TACTICAL WEAPONS Magazine. I believe it is the september issue. It looks sweet.

I emailed JP, and they said they sell it as a Military upper or a whole rifle package. It comes with 20" barrel, surefire 7.62 brake, PRS stock, MIAD grip, Adjustable gas block, Dust cover, Forward assist, bipod, monodpod, scope mount, 3 PMAGS, hard/soft case and a few other things. It runs right at 4600.00 + 500 for the adjustable gas block. It looks just like the Remington R11 RSASS that jp contracted for them.

 

[tk8051]

KEEP EM COMING PEOPLE!!!! I want as many opinions as possible before i throw down 5k haha

 

[BrianSoCal]

+1 on the GAP10. Great rifle and easy enough to pick up one in like new condition without a wait.

 

[SD26]

http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/firearms-sale/200628-wts-wtt-gap10-308-a.html

GAP-10 in 308, no wait, great accuracy, known platform.

If you're impatient...

Yeah, that's hard to argue against. It seems to fall in the price point you're looking at, and it is a comparable product.

 

[bogeybrown]

The thing I have found about GAP, which is nearly unique for gun people, and gun forums, is that no matter which rifles we may like personally, you will basically never hear ANY gun- guy say bad things about a GAP rifle, EVER!!!!!! Guys will argue Remington vs Savage, Glock vs S/W, or whatever and they'll be convinced that the other guy has a P.O.S. or bought into a bunch of hype or whatever. Even guys that think there may be a better rifle, still won't "bad mouth" a GAP. If you're surrounded by a group of guys trash-talking a GAP rifle then you probably woke up in D.C.

 

[KULT]

They do good work, also for 308 AR's the barrel is everything pretty much in terms of accuracy. Their barrels are top notch, and they use good parts to finish out the builds.

The thing I have found about GAP, which is nearly unique for gun people, and gun forums, is that no matter which rifles we may like personally, you will basically never hear ANY gun- guy say bad things about a GAP rifle, EVER!!!!!! Guys will argue Remington vs Savage, Glock vs S/W, or whatever and they'll be convinced that the other guy has a P.O.S. or bought into a bunch of hype or whatever. Even guys that think there may be a better rifle, still won't "bad mouth" a GAP. If you're surrounded by a group of guys trash-talking a GAP rifle then you probably woke up in D.C.

 

[hlee]

Best bang for the buck? DPMS LR-308. Hands down. It is a porky pig though, and I really don't like to pack it around too far-and it is not my choice for home defense (too heavy and long). But, truck to range or truck to deer stand? That's my go to gun. With hand loads it is consistently sub-moa at 100y and can reach sub-1/2moa when I do my part. I'm sure the other companies make fantastic rifles, and they sure have a lot of fans (and rightfully so). But, "best bang for the buck" they are not...

 

[blair]

http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/firearms-sale/200628-wts-wtt-gap10-308-a.html

GAP-10 in 308, no wait, great accuracy, known platform.

^^^ +10000

 

[3GunRunner]

You could get a JP LRP-07 for much less money if you just do not get the JPLRP-07SASS rifle. The other LRP-07 models are just as accurate but do not have the 3 position adjustable gas block, they just come with the standard adjustable gas system.

The other nice part is you could pick your gun up next week if one of the available option work for you. I would go with an 18" barrel for an all around rifle such as you are looking for. The LRP's on the available section also have the military upper on them (dust cover and forward assist) for $3439.00 shipped.

JP - Available Firearms and Assemblies

The GAP rifles are very nice but can be a little heavy depending on the setup.

 

[cjlane]

get the gap in the for sale section or order a jp thats already built on their site. no wait and both are excellent rifles.

 

[FD338lapua]

I am brand new to this forum. I also am sure that this question has been answer and talked about more times than any of us care to think about.

I am in a pickle though. I am looking for a new semi auto .308, and can't decide which one.
I will be using this rifle for hunting, defense, and knocking expensive holes in paper from far away!
Range from 100-800yards

I want a precision rifle. I am not looking for a .308 carbine. But, like anyone else, I want the most bang for the buck.
I think i am between the following:

POF P308 - 2600.00
JP LPR-07M (new mil version) - 4600.00
LMT MWS - 3100.00

i also am interested in knights or larue, but I am super impatient! I called Larue, and they said it could be anywhere from 12 to 36 months before they deliver new orders.

Any help or experience would be awesome!!!
and please feel free to offer up other brands

Have you checked out FD-Defense? Pretty sure we can beat that time frame.

 

[mdmorrow]

I've got a Larue predatAR 762 on order but I'm really starting to look at the GAP due to the wait time for the Larue.

 

[rck]

+1 for the LMT. I have the 16" CL and it shoots so well it took the wind out of my sails for anything else these days. Any thoughts of getting on the Larue waiting list have totally evaporated. What is on my short list is more barrels. LMT has told me light wt barrels are in work for when sanity returns to the world and a .260 or 6.5 CM barrel is in my future.

 

[Sinus211]

No interest in M1A's?

 

[JRM83]

Before dropping that much coin on a rifle, ask yourself honestly if you are a skilled enough to shoot the difference between these. If you can shoot 0.5 MOA, with a gas gun, all day long then I would be looking very hard at the GAP-10 or JP. If that's not you, I would would consider picking up one of the 16.5" POFs at kygunco for just under $2200. The $900 (LMT), $1200 (GAP-10), or $2000 (JP) you save can buy a lot of ammo. More ammo = more practice = better shooting skills. Shooting skill matters far more than the difference between these rifles. Reloading, I can put together an inexpensive 168gr HPBT round (Nosler) for about $0.35 ($0.40 if you want to be conservative) that shoots very accurately. That $1200 price difference would be between 3000 and 3400 rounds. In which case would you be more accurate - POF + 3k rounds of practice, or one of the other options?

 

[tk8051]

Before dropping that much coin on a rifle, ask yourself honestly if you are a skilled enough to shoot the difference between these. If you can shoot 0.5 MOA, with a gas gun, all day long then I would be looking very hard at the GAP-10 or JP. If that's not you, I would would consider picking up one of the 16.5" POFs at kygunco for just under $2200. The $900 (LMT), $1200 (GAP-10), or $2000 (JP) you save can buy a lot of ammo. More ammo = more practice = better shooting skills. Shooting skill matters far more than the difference between these rifles. Reloading, I can put together an inexpensive 168gr HPBT round (Nosler) for about $0.35 ($0.40 if you want to be conservative) that shoots very accurately. That $1200 price difference would be between 3000 and 3400 rounds. In which case would you be more accurate - POF + 3k rounds of practice, or one of the other options?

Thanks for watching out for me, and your input is appreciated. I am quite confident in my shooting abilities. I also am quite confident in my loading and reloading abilities. I was more interested in anyones experiences with certain systems. Pros and cons basically.

.... I am a POF fan though. They make a great rifle. I have a few 5.56 platforms from them and they are built like a tank!! I am very interested to see what else is out there though. And which juice is worth the squeeze!

 

[tk8051]

No interest in M1A's?

I LOVE M1s. Almost all branches have been pulling them off shelves and trying to accurize them for DMR roles. I just don't think that you can get one to be quite as accurate as a hand built, quality, big bore AR. I also live in Texas (land of the HOGS) So by the time you add rails to mount night vision, an illuminator, and a descent optic..... they are stupid heavy!!! They are super reliable though!

 

[insight3b]

Since I usually change out just about everything on a rifle to begin with I would get this:
Product: Model M&P10 .308 WIN/ 7.62x51

 

[cjlane]

Since I usually change out just about everything on a rifle to begin with I would get this:
Product: Model M&P10 .308 WIN/ 7.62x51

I dont think this is that good of an option, most of the big parts on the M&P10 are proprietary (Barrel Extension, Upper and Lower Receiver, Bolt and Carrier, Receiver Extension, Buffer and Buffer Spring, Ambi-bolt and Mag release.) If you are looking for bare bones to upgrade get a dpms that you can at least keep the "bones" of and really make it however you want.

 

[Sinus211]

I LOVE M1s. Almost all branches have been pulling them off shelves and trying to accurize them for DMR roles. I just don't think that you can get one to be quite as accurate as a hand built, quality, big bore AR. I also live in Texas (land of the HOGS) So by the time you add rails to mount night vision, an illuminator, and a descent optic..... they are stupid heavy!!! They are super reliable though!

That being said, I love the looks of the POF P308. But that's based purely on aesthetics, no personal experience with that rifle. Wouldn't be the first time I'd bought a gun based on looks though, lol

 

[JoshcBoucher]

My humble opinion. GAP. It's the "Rolls Royce", of my guns. I've got a DPMS SASS, and it shoots fine, But the GAP SHINES. As good as my bolt guns. Well, almost, but still shines. I've got some "pretty good" bolt guns. Don't go the M1A route. Mine does 1 1/2- 3in. groups, at 100. Loaded version. Nice gun, but they need alot of TLC. When ya shoot the GAP, you'll know. They build a NICE gun.

 

[tk8051]

Keep it coming! I still haven't made my mind up. I'm leaning toward JP or POF simply because I have shot them and they are rock solid! But the LMT and GAP are super interesting. I really don't want to build up a lower end rifle so that is not really an option. I would like to hear from owners of these rifles. People that know the intricacies of these rifles. The accuracy as well as reliability. A rifle is only great if it works 100% of the time, accuracy can only take you so far.

 

[problemchild]

Pof= hit or miss, + sketchy CS
LMT= good shooting, good CS
Gap= Gas gun built on a POF piston upper-->WHY? Its way too high if you ask me.

Get the lmt and call it a day.

 

[Irish Bacon]

i would go with the gap 10 or the pof.

 

[Soct]

I would look real hard for a Larue if it was me. See if someone has one laying around.

 

[Cobracutter]

I would look real hard for a Larue if it was me. See if someone has one laying around.

Anyone sellling one is going to be asking over 5K..... that is stupid advice.

As the guy above said, I would get the LMT. Its a pig, but a great rifle. When gap stops using shitty POF parts, I might buy one.

 

[Shooter0311]

Agree with cobracutter and those who say LMT except to say that if you can get your hands on the LM8 MWS, it doesn't feel the same as when handling the standard MWS. The modular (non quad rail) moonolithic upper seems to handle quicker.

It is within 1/2 pound or less of all the major competitors less the JP 308. Yes; I know ounces equal pounds and pounds equal pain, but I don't mind a few ounces for the versatility and reliability. Even my standard MWS upper with full quad rail handles well with it's 14.5 inch fluted barrel.

I also agree to skip KAC and Larue in your situation due to getting ripped off by someone or monstrous wait.

 

[Major]

For what it's worth, I saw a couple of LaRue OBRs on GunBroker just last week go for about $4k each. I have a POF P415 that is very accurate (albeit heavy), and I just got a LMT MWS this week that I haven't shot yet (but I am impressed with its fit and finish). I think that either a P308 or a MWS will be fantastic. In fact, if I didn't already have the P415, the P308 would've been too great a value to ignore.

A friend of mine bought a PWS recently, and I shot it last week. For $2400, it's a hell of a gun.

 

[shovelstrokeed]

What, no REPR love here?
I'm going to the range with my, new to me, 18" gun tomorrow. Bought it for 4K with 420 rounds of battle pack M80 and 4 mags and a Leupold 3x9 in a LaRue QD mount. The Leupold is gone, replaced by a Swarovski 3.5-18 VX5 in the same mount. Got some longer range plans for the gun once I re-learn how to shoot. Played with it a little with the Leupold at only 100 with the light ammo and I was pretty impressed. Got a couple hundred rounds of Fed 168 HPBT Match to play with and then off to the bench for some 175-180g load development.
Pretty sure I'll be able to make a sub-moa gun out of this thing. It seems to be a tank for function, certainly is for lugging around.

 

[Major]

What, no REPR love here?
I'm going to the range with my, new to me, 18" gun tomorrow. Bought it for 4K with 420 rounds of battle pack M80 and 4 mags and a Leupold 3x9 in a LaRue QD mount. The Leupold is gone, replaced by a Swarovski 3.5-18 VX5 in the same mount. Got some longer range plans for the gun once I re-learn how to shoot. Played with it a little with the Leupold at only 100 with the light ammo and I was pretty impressed. Got a couple hundred rounds of Fed 168 HPBT Match to play with and then off to the bench for some 175-180g load development.
Pretty sure I'll be able to make a sub-moa gun out of this thing. It seems to be a tank for function, certainly is for lugging around.

The REPR intrigues me, but it's overpriced and not lefty-friendly, so I didn't give it serious consideration. If I were right-handed and looking to use a sound suppressor, the REPR would've been on my short list.

 

[Shooter0311]

I have one in 18 inch (repr). Nice and good to handle, pretty accurate but for me only, the LMTLM8MWS gets taken out a lot more than the REPR. Shooting suppressed, the gas plug/adjuster can be a challenge to adjust after and remove. That's why I feel they all come with the special wrench now...

 

[svxwilson]

The thing I have found about GAP, which is nearly unique for gun people, and gun forums, is that no matter which rifles we may like personally, you will basically never hear ANY gun- guy say bad things about a GAP rifle, EVER!!!!!! Guys will argue Remington vs Savage, Glock vs S/W, or whatever and they'll be convinced that the other guy has a P.O.S. or bought into a bunch of hype or whatever. Even guys that think there may be a better rifle, still won't "bad mouth" a GAP. If you're surrounded by a group of guys trash-talking a GAP rifle then you probably woke up in D.C.

Ironically I was at the range the other day with my 6.5 Grendel, there was a guy who was checking my AR's out. We got to bs'ing and he told me a story about how JP charged $1100 to warranty a 6.5 Grendel they made. Guy said he had 2000rounds through it when issue occurred. I didn't go into specifics with him about it, but I do have to say it was a blow to my heart because I a am considering selling 2 of my 308's for 1 JP PSC-12 in 260. Kinda made me rethink my decision making. Now I will prob just save and keep them all and get a JP 260 in about a year.

 

[shovelstrokeed]

The REPR intrigues me, but it's overpriced and not lefty-friendly, so I didn't give it serious consideration. If I were right-handed and looking to use a sound suppressor, the REPR would've been on my short list.

Well, you would probably consider my KAC SR-15 overpriced as well, to each his own.

Not lefty friendly? I'm not getting that one, op handle is on left side, bolt release controls are ambi, mag release might be the only issue, that and a right side ejection port. I have no plans to suppress this gun and am happy with the efficacy of the fitted flash hider.

I did shoot it today, the not unexpected bad news it that it hates M80 ball. 1.5 - 2" groups. Shot 20 rounds of that and had had enough. I do know I have a bit more work to do on the gun, My scope is too high and was too far back. Had to pad the top of the stock to get a good cheek weld and moving the scope forward 3 notches finally got me to where I could comfortably drive the gun a bit from behind my little Caldwell rest. Gonna pull the BUIS system and lower the scope from the LaRue 104 mount it is in now. That way I might be able to get my shoulder, neck and head in proper alignment and the right distance from the scope. 16x is a bit sensitive to eye relief.

Anyway, it is shooting much better now, range was flooded between 100 and 200 so I can't speak for longer than 100 right now but typical 100yd group with 168g FGMM had 3 of 5 touching strung vertically over maybe .250 height and the other two flyers opening things out 2 around 1 - 1.25" with a bit more vertical spread. More than likely me as I'm still learning the gun and the guy shooting next to me had some tank looking flash hider on his AR-15 that would knock my hat askew every time he fired. Caused me to call at least 4 bad shots.

Lessee, Atlas bipod and maybe a PRS stock to replace the OBR. Wouldn't mind a little more recoil pad,

 

[tk8051]

A few more suggestions guys! I still am not convinced either way.

 

[PhrogDriver]

Whatever you do, I would go with an 18" barrel if you're only shooting to 800 yards. They're noticeably easier to handle than a 20" barrel, and as long as it's decent quality you'll have no problem getting to 800 under most conditions with 175s. My 18" Bartlein stays supersonic past 900 on a standard day...Of course, it's a GAP, so that may have something to do with it!

 

[TropoCal]

My 2 cents

cost; Under $3,000.00
GA Precision GAP-10: 5" group at 1000 yards! - YouTube

cost; Under $1,000.00
.308 Remington 700 ~ 1012 yard shot at a gallon of milk - YouTube

 

[997/2man]

I owned a JP LRP-07, LMT MWSE, and a SR-25 EMC. Sold the LMT, kept the EMC and the JP.

If you don't mind the weight, the LMT is the most bang for the buck. Mine was over gassed, meh trigger, thought that I would change barrels, never did. Mine was a 16" CL, 1.5" rifle.

The JP is going to be hard to beat, but I wouldn't buy the $5k version with the PRS, etc. You're going to take one of the lightest .308s, and make it like the other 15+ lb. .308 rifles. Get an 18" barrel, f/a, dustcover, heat sink and be done with it. Keep it light.

Good luck.

 

[Jcgodfrey]

I've got a 14.5" (pinned to 16") P308 and love it. I've heard a lot of their customer service issues are a thing of the past, although I can't COMFIRM that. I have a burnt bronze P308 16.5" on order. Paid $2630 shipped and it is going to be awesome. My P415 with ACOG is a nice stick as well.

All of these listed will make a great rifle in my opinion. It's kind of like asking "Ford or Chevy". Good luck with your decision!

 

[US LAPUA]

LMT'S with 2 barrels 16" and 18" SS on GB

 

[jevan126]

I have the JP LRP-07 and never regretted for one minute buying this rifle, very very accurate, very reliable, and the quality has to be seen to be appreciated. Other option I would choose if you don't want to spend as much would be GAP-10.

 

[snipe10]

JP+1, just for the weight if not all the other great things

 

[Rjl0110]

The scar 17 is a nice option in the .308 I have used one for years and can't beat it

 

[cbkiller]

accuracy international ax and g3

this is not semi but a great 308 rifel.accuracy international Ax,juvly trigger,vortex Scope,norwegian Hausken silencer...i love the Stock....COSTs ca 5172 dollars in norway,,dont know ower there...have fixes some one the bolt for quicker and faster reload so it is fast....shoot within a fingernail in 100 meters.

the other one is a g3 With grs Stock,german Scope,finnish miletary silencer and some unnesesarry fancy assasoryes as grip,laser and flashlight..if i shoot fast i easely shoot within a fist inn 100 meters.dont know the price one this one in norway...are hard too gett purmition on this gun over here so there arnt manny on the marked,,maybee over in usa?i can never sell it,no one over here gets permites for it anny more...the only bad thing With this rifel is its waight,,would of caurce be lighter without all the toys one it

soory for all the typing mistakes,,normaly Write Norwegian

 

[odonnks]

Not sure if you decided yet but I was in the same boat a few months ago. Which 308 to get for more precision shooting in a semi-auto platform.
Already have a M&P 10 and a nice Remington PSS bolt set-up.

Did the research and read all I could on the available rifles.
Narrowed it down to the GAP-10 and JP-LRP-07 then finally decided on a 22-inch JP.

Took it out yesterday for the 1st time to start the break-in process and was very pleased with the results.

Shot 20 run of the mill Privi Partizian rounds then switched to 168 gr Federal Gold Metal Match and puled off a .470-inch 3-round group form a wobbly stand (which needs work).
Back to the house for a good cleaning and we'll see what it does next time.

This is the softest 308 I've ever fired and I'm confident I can get even tighter groups shooting from a more stable platform.
I've not fired a GAP-10 but after shooting this JP I can't imagine a a tighter, better constructed semi-auto rifle.