New GAP Extreme Hunter in 6.5 SAUM

[bas402]

I'm not sure you will see much weight savings in changing bottom metal. That also depends on magazines used and if you are loading them full. I have 7rd Alpha mags but I generally only put 4 or 5 rounds in them at a time. Accurate Mag only holds 3.

Accurate mag also sells a 7 rounder, as I just bought some

 

[bas402]

I will be doing the same when my 6.5 SAUMs are done.

Russ will these be DTA barrels? Be interesting to hear how they feed.

 

[cjgemm]

I have a melonited 6.5 SAUM barrel for my DTA by SAC that I took out to the range this weekend. Shoots well. Used Magnetospeed and getting 3150 fps for 130 vld's and 3030 fps for 140 hybrids. Ammo from Copper Creek.

A little surprised the velocity is not higher. barrel is 27" 8 twist Bartlein.

Thoughts?

I do have some feeding problems with the DTA mags and the 6.5 SAUM. Works about 60% of the time.

I always thought that the meloniting process did decrease Velocity and pressure. Kind of like Moly or HBN.

 

[KYS]

Accurate mag also sells a 7 rounder, as I just bought some

They do. But the Alpha is a 7 rounder, that is shorter then the Accurate Mag.

 

[bas402]

I ordered one of them as well to test out, I had issues with the earlier ones a couple of yrs ago with the mag swelling when I loaded a full mag, hopefully they got it resolved.

 

[RussW1911]

Russ will these be DTA barrels? Be interesting to hear how they feed.

Negative, they don't feed. Thats why we went with the 7WSM as the Short Magnum round from the factory.

 

[Artifact]

Very nice

 

[PowerstrokeOBX]

M16 extractor required? Or just preferred?

 

[KYS]

M16 extractor required? Or just preferred?

For a bone stock Remington bolt.... I would opt for it if I had my components already at the shop to be worked on. Thats a heavy case to pop out, the factory extractor has a really hard time.

 

[260brad]

6.5 SAUM strikes again. I shot the larger 8 pt at 425 yds, dropped in his tracks. Later I let my buddy use my rifle to shoot the smaller buck at 375 yds,once again DRT!! Thanks George for an awesome rifle!!

 

[Scot_E]

Which Bullet?

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6.5 SAUM strikes again. I shot the larger 8 pt at 425 yds, dropped in his tracks. Later I let my buddy use my rifle to shoot the smaller buck at 375 yds,once again DRT!! Thanks George for an awesome rifle!!

 

[260brad]

130 Berger hunting VLD pointed... Deadly bullets

 

[Aeon1]

Thats a heavy case to pop out, the factory extractor has a really hard time.

What??? Heavy case to pop out? Why would a factory extractor have a harder time than an M-16 extractor?

 

[hintonrc51]

What??? Heavy case to pop out? Why would a factory extractor have a harder time than an M-16 extractor?

It's just how it works. Why do you think that 99% of good gunsmiths use other extractors. I've seen way to many Remington's fail. The sako and M-16 just work so much better and fail so little.

 

[.284]

It's just how it works. Why do you think that 99% of good gunsmiths use other extractors. I've seen way to many Remington's fail. The sako and M-16 just work so much better and fail so little.

Getting off topic but check out how bad a sako extractor can fail in a rem action. They were not designed for it and it weakens the strength of the design.

 

[KYS]

What??? Heavy case to pop out? Why would a factory extractor have a harder time than an M-16 extractor?

One of the most common upgrades to a factory bolt is the M16 extractor. Why do you think most custom shops run them on their actions? Like Defiance….
That is a much heavier case loaded and an even more awkward case unloaded. You need the extra bite and spring power that the M16 offers you.

I own one in a remington setup. It had to have the M16 upgrade to toss out brass with reliability. The majority of the time it would just drop the case back on top of the magazine.

 

[Chris@InterstateGuns]

One of the most common upgrades to a factory bolt is the M16 extractor. Why do you think most custom shops run them on their actions? Like Defiance….
That is a much heavier case loaded and an even more awkward case unloaded. You need the extra bite and spring power that the M16 offers you.

I own one in a remington setup. It had to have the M16 upgrade to toss out brass with reliability. The majority of the time it would just drop the case back on top of the magazine.

Are guys still wanting sako extractors or has that ship sailed?

****never-mind I just read two posts up******

 

[KYS]

Are guys still wanting sako extractors or has that ship sailed?

****never-mind I just read two posts up******

I would never ask for one.....

 

[drdtmd]

I'm ready 25 130's and 25 140's. Gun should be here soon the wait is torcher.

 

[KYS]

It's worth the wait. This is my favorite caliber to shoot besides my 22CM.

 

[drdtmd]

Kys I believe you 100%. I really love my 243's but I think this will be my favorite. Actually come to think of it if I had it now it would be more torcher because I still can't shoot for another couple weeks ( doctors order) .

 

[knockemdown]

Measured my throat (new reamer) with 140 JLKs, they touch @ 2.910"
Rolled up 20 rounds with 61gr of H-1000 pixie dust @ 2.900" and anxiously await the chance to shoot on Saturday...

 

[drdtmd]

Knockem is your name Fred? If not sorry if so long time no talk. Dave d

 

[300stw]

i wonder if the defiance rebel xm action with a mag box length of 3.2in is worthy investment for this 6.5 cartridge,, i am going to buy a custom action this time, trying to figure out which one i want

 

[RHutch]

i wonder if the defiance rebel xm action with a mag box length of 3.2in is worthy investment for this 6.5 cartridge,, i am going to buy a custom action this time, trying to figure out which one i want

I have been wondering the same thing. I have an XM and bottom metal sitting in the safe that I was saving for a 300WSM build or possibly another 7WSM.
All this 6.5 talk has my gears turning...

 

[rundm]

I have a GAP templar 7wsm that I am just itching to get rebarrelled to the 6.5. Is this a round that I could go to the range and shoot 20-30 rounds in a couple to few hours and not worry about the barrel life? I have read the previous posts about barrel life but have not seen where it would be detrimental or not to shoot several 5-10 round strings over that period of time.

 

[Forgetful Coyote]

Couple 6.5 SAUMs in the vault ready to ship.

Both custom hunters black one is a lefty. Call Kenny or Dustin for specs. Or PM Me

RH rifle with Green Stock Sold 11-28-13


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Mr. George, not to derail but have you ever built and/or shot a 6.5x55mm or 6.5x55mm Ack-Imp in modern rifle or vintage? How was it/whats your opinion of the cartridge? I know its long action cartridge and that GAP likes to do short actions mostly, but I think this would be a awesome round in a modern action. Heck it was good in the Swedish Mauser as I think that rifle has a pretty solid reputation for accuracy(for vintage/service rifles atleast). Im starting to see some interest in it as well for F-Class and IMO rightfully so, its just a tiny bit smaller(2-3gr maybe) than a plain 6.5-284 and would be perfect for a rifle thats not allowed to have a brake.

 

[KYS]

Mr. George, not to derail but have you ever built and/or shot a 6.5x55mm or 6.5x55mm Ack-Imp in modern rifle or vintage? How was it/whats your opinion of the cartridge? I know its long action cartridge and that GAP likes to do short actions mostly, but I think this would be a awesome round in a modern action. Heck it was good in the Swedish Mauser as I think that rifle has a pretty solid reputation for accuracy(for vintage/service rifles atleast). Im starting to see some interest in it as well for F-Class and IMO rightfully so, its just a tiny bit smaller(2-3gr maybe) than a plain 6.5-284 and would be perfect for a rifle thats not allowed to have a brake.

That's not an accurate statement. GAP build off whatever the customer asks for.

 

[Hntelk]

A little something I had Tom do for me....

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[SFree]

A little something I had Tom do for me....

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"and the children were all snug in their beds with visions of game and coyotes dancing in their heads"...

 

[8nbait]

I got mine last friday, shot 5 rounds at a target on sunday. The next 3 rounds went through whitetail does on tuesday. The 6.5 4S Kool Aid is delicious

 

[jakelly]

Mr. George, not to derail but have you ever built and/or shot a 6.5x55mm or 6.5x55mm Ack-Imp in modern rifle or vintage? How was it/whats your opinion of the cartridge? I know its long action cartridge and that GAP likes to do short actions mostly, but I think this would be a awesome round in a modern action. Heck it was good in the Swedish Mauser as I think that rifle has a pretty solid reputation for accuracy(for vintage/service rifles atleast). Im starting to see some interest in it as well for F-Class and IMO rightfully so, its just a tiny bit smaller(2-3gr maybe) than a plain 6.5-284 and would be perfect for a rifle thats not allowed to have a brake.

6.5x55 AI or Vais has the same capacity as the 6.5-284. I shoot a 6.5-06 AI in my hunting rifle. I was going to build one of those off of a LA before I read this thread. This 6.5 SAUM cartridge equals my 6.5-06 AI in performance with much lower pressures, better barrel life, no fire forming, and a SA. After seeing this cartridge I can't really see the point in the 6.5x55 Vais. But if you are in love with it you should let George chamber one for you. The lapua brass in 6.5x55 is the second cheapest they make and the ballistics are impressive. It's a great hunting round.

 

[jonthomps]

I don't really have anything meaningful to add to this conversation right now, I just wanted my 1,000th post to be posted on a worthwhile thread.

 

[bas402]

Got a question, has anyone tried the 140JLK's? I know they like to be jammed, if so what did you come up with on the 081" FB as a COAL? Got a bunch of them and would like to know if they are going to be useful in this set up feeding out of a mag

 

[8nbait]

I don't really have anything meaningful to add to this conversation right now, I just wanted my 1,000th post to be posted on a worthwhile thread.

mission accomplished

 

[gamehawker]

I would appreciate any information, feedback or opinion of what is necessary to convert a Remington 700 Sendero SF 300 SAUM to a 6.5 SAUM 4S? I know the barrel needs to be switched out and the chamber modified but does the bolt need to be replaced too?

And if this would be a good factory stock rifle to start with.

I have a couple of Remington 700 Sendero SF 7mm STWs and I love them. They are very accurate and deadly.

Thanks!

 

[SFree]

I would appreciate any information, feedback or opinion of what is necessary to convert a Remington 700 Sendero SF 300 SAUM to a 6.5 SAUM 4S? I know the barrel needs to be switched out and the chamber modified but does the bolt need to be replaced too?

And if this would be a good factory stock rifle to start with.

I have a couple of Remington 700 Sendero SF 7mm STWs and I love them. They are very accurate and deadly.

Thanks!

No bolt replacement needed, same dimensions at the bolt face with the .300 saum. Many of the preliminary cases are being made from .300 saum cases.

 

[KYS]

Got a question, has anyone tried the 140JLK's? I know they like to be jammed, if so what did you come up with on the 081" FB as a COAL? Got a bunch of them and would like to know if they are going to be useful in this set up feeding out of a mag

George and I run the JLK bullets. He swears by the 130's in this cartridge and I am waiting on my ammo man to load them up
If he sees this he can give you the OAL for your chamber.

They will run great once loaded properly. The 140's have better ballistic qualities then the 140 Berger Hybrids. Believe George told me .6-.8 flatter when pointed.

 

[bas402]

George and I run the JLK bullets. He swears by the 130's in this cartridge and I am waiting on my ammo man to load them up
If he sees this he can give you the OAL for your chamber.

They will run great once loaded properly. The 140's have better ballistic qualities then the 140 Berger Hybrids. Believe George told me .6-.8 flatter when pointed.

I point them and find that to be true as well. I have a 260 chambered that I run them in and yes they are finicky but when you get them right there's nothing close in another 6.5 IMO. I was just hoping and curious if this cartridge yields the same results.

 

[knockemdown]

Got a question, has anyone tried the 140JLK's? I know they like to be jammed, if so what did you come up with on the 081" FB as a COAL? Got a bunch of them and would like to know if they are going to be useful in this set up feeding out of a mag

GAP did not build this rifle, but might help. Built with the 'new' tight neck reamer from PT&G

Measured land engagement with 140JLKs @ 2.910" in my chamber
To be safe, I loaded them to 2.900" and dumped in the H-1000. Shot it Saturday to zero in, 1/2 moa group result from zero load development!
ran dope to 440yds on steel using 3080fps, hit dead center...
Took it hunting yesterday morning and poleaxed a mature doe through the shoulders @ 330yds. Bang/flop and here's the exit from a 140JLK...

These rounds are feeding from a Wyatt's extended magazine box with the factory WSM follower & crapola bottom metal. Put a Bushy 6500 on for now, to represent

Grab a glass and fill up on the Koolaid...

 

[Hntelk]

Knock... U ran the H1000 at 61 with the 140jlk?
Nice job on the doe.

 

[Huckleberry75]

GAP did not build this rifle, but might help. Built with the 'new' tight neck reamer from PT&G

Measured land engagement with 140JLKs @ 2.910" in my chamber
To be safe, I loaded them to 2.900" and dumped in the H-1000. Shot it Saturday to zero in, 1/2 moa group result from zero load development!
ran dope to 440yds on steel using 3080fps, hit dead center...
Took it hunting yesterday morning and poleaxed a mature doe through the shoulders @ 330yds. Bang/flop and here's the exit from a 140JLK...

These rounds are feeding from a Wyatt's extended magazine box with the factory WSM follower & crapola bottom metal. Put a Bushy 6500 on for now, to represent

Grab a glass and fill up on the Koolaid...

K&K Killer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Have you sent this to Kasey?

 

[knockemdown]

Text him on the way home, but no pics. Hope he sees this thread!

 

[drdtmd]

Nice job Fred. I can't wait to get my rifle. Pretty cool 1/2" moa right out of the gate. Thanks George, Pat and others for doing all the homework and making it so easy for us.

 

[bas402]

GAP did not build this rifle, but might help. Built with the 'new' tight neck reamer from PT&G

Measured land engagement with 140JLKs @ 2.910" in my chamber
To be safe, I loaded them to 2.900" and dumped in the H-1000. Shot it Saturday to zero in, 1/2 moa group result from zero load development!
ran dope to 440yds on steel using 3080fps, hit dead center...
Took it hunting yesterday morning and poleaxed a mature doe through the shoulders @ 330yds. Bang/flop and here's the exit from a 140JLK...

These rounds are feeding from a Wyatt's extended magazine box with the factory WSM follower & crapola bottom metal. Put a Bushy 6500 on for now, to represent

Grab a glass and fill up on the Koolaid...

NIIICE!
well I guess that answers my question! They jumped .010" and still shot .5... Wow! What charge weight/powder did you use?
Congrats on the kill,
Sully

 

[knockemdown]

NIIICE!
well I guess that answers my question! They jumped .010" and still shot .5... Wow! What charge weight/powder did you use?
Congrats on the kill,
Sully

Thanks!
Admittedly, just loaded a bunch in haste to get hunting with it for our last weekend here.
Started with 60.5 H-1000 to zero, then stepped up to the GAP recommended charge of 61gr for the 140s. Didnt' want to jam a JLK whiile hunting, so kept them backed off. Was pleasantly surprised when it shot so well, had to take it out & blood it up. Now that season is over, I will start fresh and shake it out, proper...

300SAUM Norma brass, necked down & turned, per Pat's "Care & feeding" thread, just used WLRM primers.

Best of luck and have fun with your 6.5s , fellas!

 

[Fisky]

Recoil question.......

Does anybody have any insight on the recoil of this round without a brake? Would she be pretty harsh in a 7-7.5lb scoped rifle??

 

[Hntelk]

7lbs'ish...is where mine sits... No brake....No problem w recoil, very manageable...

 

[Fisky]

7lbs'ish...is where mine sits... No brake....No problem w recoil, very manageable...

I went back into your posts and saw where you commented before, 7lbs 4 oz. Is that bare rifle weight?

Got any pics and specs (didn't see any)?

Thanks!!

 

[Hntelk]

Fisky, PM sent