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!!! new Hodgedon powder new load data Update 1/21 !!!!!
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Given the supply issues we have been having, I like having as many options as possible.
The market lacks options for temp stable ball powders also.
I was like many a folk who used h4350 in my 6.5 but then I started using StaBall6.5 and its just as good in many respects . plus its domestically made in Florida so its actually in stock regularly , my hope is that they are releasing a substitute for h1000 and retumbo , that would be huge as whatever this powder is ,it would be made on shore and available regularly
Do you think Hodgdon make any of their powders? Because they don't.
If you try a new powder and like it, stock up. I worked up a 223 load with IMR4166, but did not buy any more. Now it's no longer made.
if your talking about how well they meter when weighing powder charges . ball powders are far superior to stick in those terms . staking efficiency of spheroids is going to be better than cylinders . so ya they are very precise for metering out charge weights
Likely what was discussed in this thread and the linked article:
www.snipershide.com
Ball Powder History and Advancements
Really good read with some good info on advancements in new ball powder that solve the temp sensitivity issues of the past compared to extruded stick powder...its called "Accu Flat" and they say "This family of powders matches Hodgdon’s Varget, H4350, H1000 and Retumbo for charge weight...
www.snipershide.com
I really hope soLikely what was discussed in this thread and the linked article:
Ball Powder History and Advancements
Really good read with some good info on advancements in new ball powder that solve the temp sensitivity issues of the past compared to extruded stick powder...its called "Accu Flat" and they say "This family of powders matches Hodgdon’s Varget, H4350, H1000 and Retumbo for charge weight...
Winchester StaBALL HD
Winchester® StaBALL™ HD is a temperature-insensitive, double-base, BALL® Powder, stable in extreme-hot or -cold conditions. This slow-burning magnum powder provides optimal loading density in large capacity magnum cartridges appropriate for the burn speed, which is ideal for 6.5 PRC, 7MM...
shop.hodgdon.com
and the other:
shop.hodgdon.com
ETA:
Based on the listed cartridges one faster and one slower than the original staball.
Winchester StaBALL Match
Winchester® StaBALL™ Match is a temperature-insensitive, double-base, BALL® Powder, stable in extreme-hot or -cold conditions. This powder provides optimal loading density in cartridges appropriate for the burn speed, which is ideal for high-BC heavy for caliber bullets in 223 Remington, 224...
shop.hodgdon.com
ETA:
Based on the listed cartridges one faster and one slower than the original staball.
Ya I cant wait to try the HD in my 300 win mag . I remember 2 years ago I used 4350 in my 6.5 cm , was having pressure issues , and it was really hard to get those low sd's . Tried 6.5staball and haven't gone back since , I'm sorta having all the same issues with h1000 in the 300 so I'm hoping this new stuff will be just as good ! + you can't even fined h1000 any way so...and the other:
Winchester StaBALL Match
Winchester® StaBALL™ Match is a temperature-insensitive, double-base, BALL® Powder, stable in extreme-hot or -cold conditions. This powder provides optimal loading density in cartridges appropriate for the burn speed, which is ideal for high-BC heavy for caliber bullets in 223 Remington, 224...
ETA:
Based on the listed cartridges one faster and one slower than the original staball.
A Staball for .223 77gr would be a nice concept
This. Happy with TAC with the exception of the nearly 1 FPS per degree. A temp stable ball would be awesome for a Dillon.Instead of coming up with new powders, I would rather they made their current powders available
If this is the general dynamics stuff it means made in the USA not Australia. This is a good thing.
Very interesting........still haven't tried stabal65 in anything. But the magnum version sounds pretty sweet!
Now that Hodgdon has Ramshot under their umbrella they may have been able to develop these a little easier. I'm used a lot of Ramshot Magnum in .243 and 6mm Comp Match. I never had any issues with it between 50deg and 90deg. And it was sooooo clean burning compared to RL26 and even H1000. I wouldn't be surprised if they took some existing Ramshot formulas and just tweaked them for temp stability.
Hopefully the new powders work as well as they say... I'll be trying some for sure.
What really caught my attention in the linked article was production times for extruded vs ball powders... the article states what takes 2 weeks to produce in an extruded powder can be produced in 40 hours with the ball powder process.
The much faster production time along with the USA origin hopefully means it will be more readily available than most Hodgdon extruded powders have been for the last several years... I'm down to my last jug of H4895 for my .223AI heavy loads and I haven't been able to snag any more in well over a year.
Hopefully they add load data to their website shortly, be interesting to see the data.
What really caught my attention in the linked article was production times for extruded vs ball powders... the article states what takes 2 weeks to produce in an extruded powder can be produced in 40 hours with the ball powder process.
The much faster production time along with the USA origin hopefully means it will be more readily available than most Hodgdon extruded powders have been for the last several years... I'm down to my last jug of H4895 for my .223AI heavy loads and I haven't been able to snag any more in well over a year.
Hopefully they add load data to their website shortly, be interesting to see the data.
dude what state are you in , I have a little bit of H4895 that I will never use if you want it
Pretty excited about these, 6.5 Staball has been excellent in 6.5 CM and .30-06. I heard rumours that there was a Varget-LVR speed Staball coming shortly after 6.5 came out been a little while, but I can't wait to try it in 6mm ARC, 6GT and .223. I'd heard (maybe in one of the other threads) that the Staball technology was different from Accu-flat even though they are both made by GD / St. Marks Inc, don't know if that's true.
If the Match version is decent it's going to be in pretty high demand given that it should match a lot of the cartridges high volume shooters are using, they seem to be able to keep 6.5 Staball on the shelves pretty well, hopefully that will carry over.
If the Match version is decent it's going to be in pretty high demand given that it should match a lot of the cartridges high volume shooters are using, they seem to be able to keep 6.5 Staball on the shelves pretty well, hopefully that will carry over.
Well, wish in one hand, shit in the other and see which fills up first. In other words, new options are better than no options.
I like both of these new ones and would prefer that all you guys not try them so that I get a good steady supply.
Not being able to read or do math limits people from other activities as well.
Except these new names and labels actually tell you exactly what types of cartridges it is optimized for. What exactly did the random alphanumeric names tell you besides almost nothing?
Reloading is an activity requiring specialized knowledge and skill. As such, consumer item expectations do not apply. Powder can be named whatever and it is up to the end user to be able to differentiate between different types. I am sick and tired of people trying to dumb down out hobby. If you’re too stupid to reload, go do something else. There are plenty of other hobbies out there.
But, but, but someone maybe color blind and not able to readETA: or is it a scary move for those that identify a powder by the color of the label?
6 months later they sike everyone out with a powder , that was only on shelves one time people love it , but it's never seen again as the gun powder elves refuse to make the stuff . The price goes through the roof the company makes boatloads of money , but no one can find the powder anywhere ever again .
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Please translate as 918 has determined we are dumb and I don’t want to disappoint.
If your going to call people dumb, you should learn how to proof read before posting.
Staball 6.5 is available right now, so I’m gonna have hope on this one
