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Does the round count work off of recoil or sound? If sound, is it sensitive enough to operate when suppressed? If recoil it would seem that would be a lost feature of you wrist mounted?
I take it the 2700 uses Link so I can use the Kestrel link ballistics on my phone?
It will be based off the recoil, so yes mounting on your wrist would take away that ability.
So the shot counter might not work well on rimfire rifles?
@Kestrel Ballistics what is the cable interface? Im wondering if it will work with the original Insite RULR.
Correct.
Look to the middle of the year, still too early to date it.This.
The next step will be a digital riflescope with standard glass and the HUD built in. Next will be an all digital scope akin to the ATN or Sightmark. Something that has battery life, recoil rated, and hopefully a fixed power basic option in the event of electronic failure.I'm excited for this. I don't think it will be a lasting solution. Im guessing we will switch to a drastically different form factor like we did when we went from PDAs to integrated into the Kestral or a different comms protocol than BT, or just a different way to get our data like an augmented, disturbed reticle. In a year or two. But nonetheless this is going to be a huge improvement over scribbling on blue masking tape, in a squat, while squinting at your Kestral balanced on your knee.
I also vote for landscape mode!Would also like to see landscape mode
There will be two cables available, one connects the HUD to the 3 button remote and the second is a Y cable that connects HUD and remote to a few higher end LRF (Raptar, etc) that accept cable connections for activation. Full details a little later.Hmm, maybe I don't understand. Cable is proprietary to this device, plugging into what then? Cable comes out of HUD and then plugs into what? What port interface.
There will be two cables available, one connects the HUD to the 3 button remote and the second is a Y cable that connects HUD and remote to a few higher end LRF (Raptar, etc) that accept cable connections for activation. Full details a little later.
@Kestrel Ballistics
The RAPTAR is specifically what I am confused about as I am on the fence on buying one as I wanted to use it specifically for this setup. I'm confused on how they all go together/can go together:
- What version RAPTAR (the one with just the range finder, or the one with range finder and AB on it) will work with the HUD setup? Additionally, on the press release for the HUD I saw something about it connecting via the 'link' (I am assuming this is Bluetooth) to some of the range finders (RAPTAR S with the range finder and AB on it, but not the RAPTAR version with just the range finder as it doesn't have Bluetooth).
So is there a wireless way as well as a wired way to connect them? And will this then allow you to use either RAPTAR version because of the wired option? And does it all need to run through the HUD then; as I don't think there's a data cable to run anything from the Kestrel unless the 5700 does have one.
Trying to figure out how this all works because of me sitting on possibly purchasing a RAPTAR.
This is all still being worked out. The HUD will not connect directly to a rangefinder through Bluetooth. The rangefinder can be connected to a Kestrel via Bluetooth and the Kestrel can also be able to connect to HUD via Bluetooth simultaneously (future firmware update). This makes having a rangefinder with Applied Ballistics on it redundant and not necessary. If you do not have a Bluetooth version of a rangefinder, we will have a separate cable that would connect the HUD to the rangefinder to pull in the data.
OK I think I'm following you. I get that you're also still working things out so you may not 100% know the details of it all.
If I'm looking at this right:
RAPTAR with AB ballistics can connect to the Kestrel via bluetooth link which in turn connects to the HUD. Is this via bluetooth also, or via cable?
Correct...although the Kestrel is connecting via Bluetooth to the HUD. You would have the option to use the cable between RAPTAR and HUD still if you wanted here.
RAPTAR without AB ballistics can connect to the HUD via cable. The HUD is then also connected to the Kestrel via a cable AND bluetooth, or just a cable?
HUD and Kestrel are always connecting through Bluetooth, not a cable.
Thanks for the info so far.
Not sure which product you are asking about, right now it looks like the Hornady Kestrel will ship in two weeks, the 2700 later in the summer and the HUD around the 3rd quarter. All subject to software testing, so no firm dates until all the testers are smiling.Pre-ordered on on the kestrel site. Didn’t ask for payment type. I’m assuming we’ll be contacted with a payment link when ready to ship?
Also, still looking at a July release?
Thanks
Not sure which product you are asking about, right now it looks like the Hornady Kestrel will ship in two weeks, the 2700 later in the summer and the HUD around the 3rd quarter. All subject to software testing, so no firm dates until all the testers are smiling.
Will it connect to my RAPTAR ES? Or just the S/ES?There will be two cables available, one connects the HUD to the 3 button remote and the second is a Y cable that connects HUD and remote to a few higher end LRF (Raptar, etc) that accept cable connections for activation. Full details a little later.
you need to contact the manufacturer, they have the ability to add the connection to their products and will have a better idea on their plans.Will it connect to my RAPTAR ES? Or just the S/ES?
That is the goal.
The Hud is still changing while in development so nothing is set in stone yet. There will be a feature that only targets with a range greater than zero will show in the Hud so you can make things work by using a clear button and adding the next stage distances so limited targets will display. Haven't heard from anyone needing more than 10 targets so that has not been discussed. That would require app, Kestrel and Hud programming and would need some time to develop.For PRS purposes with the HUD, is there a method for displaying only the targets you want for a particular stage?
An example would be only wanting to see solutions for targets C, F, and K from the target card. Is it possible to view those three solutions only or to be able to button scroll through them without having to press multiple times to scroll past unwanted solutions?
Also, there are usually more than 10 targets at a match. Why can’t we have more slots on the target card?
Perhaps a “Stage Card” could be developed where targets for the stage card could be selected from the range card and exported to the stage card. This way you’d only export the targets you want and not have to clear the range card of targets that will have to be re-entered for another stage. The stage card is cleared after each stage and new targets are just selected from the target card and exported. If it takes longer to set up the HUD for a stage than it does to just write on a card or some tape, I don’t see it being hugely useful for matches.
It would also help if a “stage card” displayed 3 or 4 targets and solutions without have to scroll the display. Time is money.
You’re never gonna be faster with electronics than writing things down.
Especially if you’re verifying ranges (which is almost a necessity).
I would just be happy using my Terripan to lase targets and build my target card for each stage. Lase, populate, next button, repeat. Like I do with my 5700 but so that I don't have transfer that onto an Edope or data card via a pen I keep losing.
That's what I'm hoping. I currently do that with a Terripan and 5700 but then I have to whip out my cell phone to program the Edope. It would be nice to to lase the stage and have the target card already populated on the gun
That is exactly what the Kestrel HUD will do. There will be an firmware update where you can Bluetooth connect the Kestrel to both the HUD and the Rangefinder and simply lase the targets and have them populate on the HUD screen.
Will this work with the Bushnell Nitro 1800 as well (IE: Any AB-enabled LRF) or only specific models?
If this will work with the Bushy, consider me sold.
That's great! I placed a pre-order for a HUD but wasn't charged a deposit. How do I confirm my pre-order?
It will only work with Bluetooth models that work with the Kestrel. Here is a current list: https://kestrelinstruments.com/kestrel-3rd-party-software-and-applications
I believe the Bushnell Nitro 1800 *should* work but we haven't tested it yet.