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Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
I use a RCBS precision mic to measure the ogive and calipers to measure the COAL from base to tip, I have regular '05 and '07 M118LR and found that the COAL is the same but the ogive is different between my 175gr load and the 118. I assume that the ogive is the more critical thing to measure so that the jump is the same but haven't confirmed anything as of yet. When I load my own loads to the same ogive then the COAL is 2.825" where 118LR is appox. 2.815, .010 is alot of difference. Gona shorten up my loads and see if it makes a difference, I have found in the past that 2.810" COAL is usually the best for shooting out of multiple guns.
I use a RCBS precision mic to measure the ogive and calipers to measure the COAL from base to tip, I have regular '05 and '07 M118LR and found that the COAL is the same but the ogive is different between my 175gr load and the 118. I assume that the ogive is the more critical thing to measure so that the jump is the same but haven't confirmed anything as of yet. When I load my own loads to the same ogive then the COAL is 2.825" where 118LR is appox. 2.815, .010 is alot of difference. Gona shorten up my loads and see if it makes a difference, I have found in the past that 2.810" COAL is usually the best for shooting out of multiple guns.
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Psywar1-0</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2009infantrysmallarms/tuesdaysessioniii8524.pdf
The public release info on this ammo </div></div>
Lots of other interesting stuff in that .pdf besides the 7.62 load.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Psywar1-0</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2009infantrysmallarms/tuesdaysessioniii8524.pdf
The public release info on this ammo </div></div>
Lots of other interesting stuff in that .pdf besides the 7.62 load.
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1SMALLJOHNSON</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good powder too. I took part in the development and feel the Navy will be happy with the outcome. </div></div>
Is it the new 8208?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1SMALLJOHNSON</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good powder too. I took part in the development and feel the Navy will be happy with the outcome. </div></div>
Is it the new 8208?
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
Sorry, can't say. However, I can tell you that you COULD make this load if you knew the powder type... Again, wish I could say, but somebody would have to pay me a good living wage for the next 30 years...if they REALLY wanted to know.
Sorry, can't say. However, I can tell you that you COULD make this load if you knew the powder type... Again, wish I could say, but somebody would have to pay me a good living wage for the next 30 years...if they REALLY wanted to know.
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coriolis</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1SMALLJOHNSON</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good powder too. I took part in the development and feel the Navy will be happy with the outcome. </div></div>
Is it the new 8208? </div></div>
What new 8208?
http://www.imrpowder.com/PDF/MSDS%20File...20Australia.pdf
Interesting that 4198 is made in AUS where all the other temp stable powders like Varget et al are made. Hrmmmmmmmmmmm.....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coriolis</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1SMALLJOHNSON</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good powder too. I took part in the development and feel the Navy will be happy with the outcome. </div></div>
Is it the new 8208? </div></div>
What new 8208?
http://www.imrpowder.com/PDF/MSDS%20File...20Australia.pdf
Interesting that 4198 is made in AUS where all the other temp stable powders like Varget et al are made. Hrmmmmmmmmmmm.....
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
Interesting that ADI doesn't list AR2215 on their site. They do list AR2207, which is H4198.
RL-10x meets the criteria of "not exactly new". However, I don't think either it or RL-7 match Cory's description of the kernels. Aren't they shorter and fatter than Varget?
Gotta love a good riddle...
Interesting that ADI doesn't list AR2215 on their site. They do list AR2207, which is H4198.
RL-10x meets the criteria of "not exactly new". However, I don't think either it or RL-7 match Cory's description of the kernels. Aren't they shorter and fatter than Varget?
Gotta love a good riddle...
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr. Phil</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oddly enough, Alliant had on their web site a while back that the RE15 was choosen for the M118-LR due to its "superior temperature stability". </div></div>
That was when Alliant first got the contract to supply the powder for the new M118LR. They also had the load posted too. (I have that). The load was remove about 2 or 3 months later. The posted velocity was 2700fps, and my reloaded ammo is 2699fps in May but in August the velocity spiked to 2755fps in August. <span style="font-weight: bold">RL15 IS temperature sensitive.</span>
There were problems with the original load that manifested from Iraq. Op rods were bending/breaking in the M14's due to the pressures brought on by the excessive heat of Iraq. The load was reduced to it's current load.
43.1gr/RL15 under the 175gr Sierra MK.
FWIW I load the original loading and it's very accurate out of my PGWDTI Coyote.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr. Phil</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oddly enough, Alliant had on their web site a while back that the RE15 was choosen for the M118-LR due to its "superior temperature stability". </div></div>
That was when Alliant first got the contract to supply the powder for the new M118LR. They also had the load posted too. (I have that). The load was remove about 2 or 3 months later. The posted velocity was 2700fps, and my reloaded ammo is 2699fps in May but in August the velocity spiked to 2755fps in August. <span style="font-weight: bold">RL15 IS temperature sensitive.</span>
There were problems with the original load that manifested from Iraq. Op rods were bending/breaking in the M14's due to the pressures brought on by the excessive heat of Iraq. The load was reduced to it's current load.
43.1gr/RL15 under the 175gr Sierra MK.
FWIW I load the original loading and it's very accurate out of my PGWDTI Coyote.
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
All powders are temperature sensitive. Some are more temperature sensitive than others. Testing is the only way to find out how temperature sensitive a given load is.
In doing some of that, I've tested loads which ranged from 0.6 fps/degree F. to nearly 5 fps/degree F.
Industry figures are highly suspect. If you want to know, do your own testing.
All powders are temperature sensitive. Some are more temperature sensitive than others. Testing is the only way to find out how temperature sensitive a given load is.
In doing some of that, I've tested loads which ranged from 0.6 fps/degree F. to nearly 5 fps/degree F.
Industry figures are highly suspect. If you want to know, do your own testing.
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1SMALLJOHNSON</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry, can't say. However, I can tell you that you COULD make this load if you knew the powder type... Again, wish I could say, but somebody would have to pay me a good living wage for the next 30 years...if they REALLY wanted to know. </div></div>
And home rolled would still be as temp insensitive as indicated in the .pdf?
In other words its purely a COTS powder?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1SMALLJOHNSON</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry, can't say. However, I can tell you that you COULD make this load if you knew the powder type... Again, wish I could say, but somebody would have to pay me a good living wage for the next 30 years...if they REALLY wanted to know. </div></div>
And home rolled would still be as temp insensitive as indicated in the .pdf?
In other words its purely a COTS powder?
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
If they had any sense, they would have selected the 155 grain Sierra 2156 SMK or Lapua Scenar 155. The 175 is obsolete.
Yes, the 175 has been the standard for years, but it was surpassed when .500+ BC .30 cal bullets were released at the 155 grain weight.
If they had any sense, they would have selected the 155 grain Sierra 2156 SMK or Lapua Scenar 155. The 175 is obsolete.
Yes, the 175 has been the standard for years, but it was surpassed when .500+ BC .30 cal bullets were released at the 155 grain weight.
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If they had any sense, they would have selected the 155 grain Sierra 2156 SMK or Lapua Scenar 155. The 175 is obsolete.
Yes, the 175 has been the standard for years, but it was surpassed when .500+ BC .30 cal bullets were released at the 155 grain weight.</div></div>
Do you think the scenar or smk 155 would have the same energy or better than the 175 to incapacitate an enemy soldier at say 800-1000yds?I know the scenar will fly way out but will it knock down Jonny Jihad like the 175smk M118lr?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If they had any sense, they would have selected the 155 grain Sierra 2156 SMK or Lapua Scenar 155. The 175 is obsolete.
Yes, the 175 has been the standard for years, but it was surpassed when .500+ BC .30 cal bullets were released at the 155 grain weight.</div></div>
Do you think the scenar or smk 155 would have the same energy or better than the 175 to incapacitate an enemy soldier at say 800-1000yds?I know the scenar will fly way out but will it knock down Jonny Jihad like the 175smk M118lr?
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 81sfo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Do you think the scenar or smk 155 would have the same energy or better than the 175 to incapacitate an enemy soldier at say 800-1000yds?I know the scenar will fly way out but will it knock down Jonny Jihad like the 175smk M118lr? </div></div>
If wound ballistics were the primary concern, a HPBT wouldn't be the bullet of choice.
I also venture to say that my intuition suggests that wound ballistics would be completely indistinguishable between the two bullets at any range.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 81sfo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Do you think the scenar or smk 155 would have the same energy or better than the 175 to incapacitate an enemy soldier at say 800-1000yds?I know the scenar will fly way out but will it knock down Jonny Jihad like the 175smk M118lr? </div></div>
If wound ballistics were the primary concern, a HPBT wouldn't be the bullet of choice.
I also venture to say that my intuition suggests that wound ballistics would be completely indistinguishable between the two bullets at any range.
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
I loaded some up and they shoot great through my M40A1 clone. I have the data card and yes you can buy the powder over the counter, if you can find it. Hint, it the accuracy powder inthe Sierra load mannual from a few years back.
I loaded some up and they shoot great through my M40A1 clone. I have the data card and yes you can buy the powder over the counter, if you can find it. Hint, it the accuracy powder inthe Sierra load mannual from a few years back.
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
According to the Alliant site Re 10X yields near 2600fps out of a 22" bbl with a Speer 165SP loaded in an IMI case over 38gn. Hmmmm... 2700+fps out of a 26" bbl with a couple more grains under a 175SMK? Wonder what the peak chamber pressure would be, depending on included throat angle, etc.
According to the Alliant site Re 10X yields near 2600fps out of a 22" bbl with a Speer 165SP loaded in an IMI case over 38gn. Hmmmm... 2700+fps out of a 26" bbl with a couple more grains under a 175SMK? Wonder what the peak chamber pressure would be, depending on included throat angle, etc.
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There were problems with the original load that manifested from Iraq. Op rods were bending/breaking in the M14's due to the pressures brought on by the excessive heat of Iraq. The load was reduced to it's current load.</div></div>
Sir, you have posted this as a statement of fact many, many times and on several different websites. Do you have a reference/source to this claim, please?
Thank you.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There were problems with the original load that manifested from Iraq. Op rods were bending/breaking in the M14's due to the pressures brought on by the excessive heat of Iraq. The load was reduced to it's current load.</div></div>
Sir, you have posted this as a statement of fact many, many times and on several different websites. Do you have a reference/source to this claim, please?
Thank you.
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emilio</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I loaded some up and they shoot great through my M40A1 clone. I have the data card and yes you can buy the powder over the counter, if you can find it. Hint, it the accuracy powder inthe Sierra load mannual from a few years back.
</div></div>
Viht N540 is what my Sierra manual states as "accuracy load".
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emilio</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I loaded some up and they shoot great through my M40A1 clone. I have the data card and yes you can buy the powder over the counter, if you can find it. Hint, it the accuracy powder inthe Sierra load mannual from a few years back.
Viht N540 is what my Sierra manual states as "accuracy load".
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
N-540 is in my manual too! It's probably a good choice, looks like the load in the manual is really conservative, and it seems Viht powders are always good for extra velocity. May just be what you guys are looking for.
N-540 is in my manual too! It's probably a good choice, looks like the load in the manual is really conservative, and it seems Viht powders are always good for extra velocity. May just be what you guys are looking for.
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USSR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry, but Federal (ATK) is not going to use a Hodgdon product (IMR powder), anymore than Ford is going to use a GM product.
Don </div></div>
Then WHAT will Fed/Atk use? Give us some leads...
Here is a OLD (Jan'08) run of QuickLoad, didn't seems to yield ANY answer, maybe I should go run this with some new updated data...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Code:</div><div class="ubbcode-body ubbcode-pre" ><pre>
Cartridge : .308 Win.
Bullet : .308, 175, Sierra HPBT MatchK 2275
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch or 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch or 660.4 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 59000 psi, or 406 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
62 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 80%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
SNPE Vectan SP 11 104.7 47.7 3.09 2786 99.7 59000 8034 1.217 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 101.5 43.8 2.84 2764 100.0 59000 7434 1.211 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B 102.1 45.0 2.92 2759 99.7 59000 7792 1.233 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 105.0 48.3 3.13 2759 98.5 55880 8343 1.249 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 101.5 44.7 2.90 2758 99.5 59000 7822 1.234 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11 101.5 44.7 2.90 2758 99.5 59000 7822 1.234 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan Sp 7 101.4 47.9 3.10 2756 99.5 59000 7840 1.230 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748 93.6 44.4 2.88 2755 100.0 59000 7393 1.227 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 105.0 48.8 3.16 2754 96.2 55937 8392 1.242 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031 99.3 41.9 2.71 2743 100.0 59000 6939 1.232 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2 94.4 45.2 2.93 2740 100.0 59000 7552 1.239 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320 100.1 44.8 2.90 2738 99.6 59000 7527 1.221 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.2520 95.4 44.8 2.90 2732 100.0 59000 7184 1.246 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516 98.9 46.4 3.01 2732 98.5 59000 7786 1.232 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate XMR 4064 105.0 44.8 2.90 2731 100.0 58559 7184 1.266 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 9 98.7 44.9 2.91 2731 99.6 59000 7571 1.233 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot BigGame 105.0 46.5 3.02 2729 99.3 54714 7923 1.256 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 507 95.1 43.8 2.84 2724 100.0 59000 7343 1.236 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S321 94.3 44.3 2.87 2723 100.0 59000 7381 1.242 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC 94.4 43.7 2.83 2723 100.0 59000 7323 1.236 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335 91.0 43.6 2.83 2719 100.0 59000 7155 1.236 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate XMR 2495 100.2 42.3 2.74 2715 100.0 59000 6844 1.270 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S341 98.0 46.0 2.98 2714 99.6 59000 7381 1.235 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 101.7 48.3 3.13 2713 93.3 59000 8036 1.241 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208 99.8 44.2 2.87 2712 99.3 59000 7492 1.232 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N150 102.3 44.6 2.89 2710 100.0 59000 6861 1.239 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202 98.6 42.8 2.77 2705 100.0 59000 6962 1.244 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET 98.2 43.5 2.82 2705 99.7 59000 7339 1.234 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064 100.9 43.5 2.82 2705 99.4 59000 7324 1.237 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201 98.6 42.8 2.77 2703 100.0 59000 7214 1.253 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 105.0 45.3 2.93 2702 99.8 54570 7642 1.282 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 10 88.5 41.7 2.70 2702 100.0 59000 6911 1.242 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 100.9 46.4 3.01 2701 95.9 59000 7781 1.244 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 508 88.4 41.7 2.70 2701 100.0 59000 6903 1.242 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R902 99.0 42.9 2.78 2700 100.0 59000 7185 1.254 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 105.0 45.3 2.93 2699 99.7 54471 7644 1.283 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 104.4 45.0 2.92 2699 100.0 59000 6820 1.249 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 105.0 49.3 3.19 2698 96.1 51832 8321 1.280 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2219 88.5 40.3 2.61 2694 100.0 59000 6688 1.237 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322 91.4 40.3 2.61 2694 100.0 59000 6688 1.237 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.2460 93.7 43.6 2.82 2692 100.0 59000 6972 1.258 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator 89.4 40.9 2.65 2687 100.0 59000 6723 1.245 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540 99.2 45.6 2.96 2685 99.6 59000 7368 1.246 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901 94.9 40.7 2.64 2684 100.0 59000 6839 1.265 ! Near Maximum !
Nitrochemie A/S 0300 85.7 38.8 2.51 2680 100.0 59000 6409 1.246 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N135 102.1 43.1 2.79 2680 100.0 59000 6508 1.249 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140 100.8 43.6 2.82 2679 100.0 59000 6696 1.244 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.2230 91.0 42.7 2.77 2679 100.0 59000 6843 1.256 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 105.0 47.8 3.10 2674 94.5 54220 8005 1.281 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S060 97.1 41.9 2.71 2667 99.9 59000 6878 1.243 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2210 89.4 40.7 2.64 2666 100.0 59000 6773 1.246 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-12 93.9 42.2 2.74 2665 100.0 59000 6569 1.245 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073 89.5 41.6 2.69 2665 100.0 59000 6471 1.255 ! Near Maximum !
ADI BM2 87.4 41.0 2.66 2658 100.0 59000 6720 1.247 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Benchmark 94.3 41.1 2.66 2657 100.0 59000 6713 1.247 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206 97.1 42.3 2.74 2652 99.8 59000 6855 1.246 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2200 83.5 38.8 2.52 2649 100.0 59000 6501 1.246 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-10x 86.4 38.1 2.47 2645 100.0 59000 6234 1.259 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H 96.1 42.4 2.75 2645 99.7 59000 6822 1.245 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895 97.2 42.4 2.75 2645 99.7 59000 6822 1.245 ! Near Maximum !
SF-033 fl 88.4 39.8 2.58 2643 100.0 59000 6104 1.265 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.2700 102.6 47.7 3.09 2640 95.4 59000 7238 1.254 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate XMR 2015 96.4 39.7 2.57 2637 100.0 59000 6200 1.265 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S335 98.3 42.4 2.75 2634 100.0 59000 6399 1.261 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 105.0 45.8 2.97 2628 94.9 48811 7871 1.316
Norma 200 85.9 37.8 2.45 2622 100.0 59000 6055 1.276 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate XMR 4350 105.0 46.3 3.00 2617 97.1 46135 7926 1.359
Vihtavuori N133 95.8 40.4 2.62 2612 100.0 59000 6015 1.254 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4198 89.4 36.4 2.36 2600 100.0 59000 5932 1.248 ! Near Maximum !
</pre></div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USSR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry, but Federal (ATK) is not going to use a Hodgdon product (IMR powder), anymore than Ford is going to use a GM product.
Don </div></div>
Then WHAT will Fed/Atk use? Give us some leads...
Here is a OLD (Jan'08) run of QuickLoad, didn't seems to yield ANY answer, maybe I should go run this with some new updated data...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Code:</div><div class="ubbcode-body ubbcode-pre" ><pre>
Cartridge : .308 Win.
Bullet : .308, 175, Sierra HPBT MatchK 2275
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch or 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch or 660.4 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 59000 psi, or 406 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
62 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 80%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
SNPE Vectan SP 11 104.7 47.7 3.09 2786 99.7 59000 8034 1.217 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 101.5 43.8 2.84 2764 100.0 59000 7434 1.211 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B 102.1 45.0 2.92 2759 99.7 59000 7792 1.233 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 105.0 48.3 3.13 2759 98.5 55880 8343 1.249 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 101.5 44.7 2.90 2758 99.5 59000 7822 1.234 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11 101.5 44.7 2.90 2758 99.5 59000 7822 1.234 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan Sp 7 101.4 47.9 3.10 2756 99.5 59000 7840 1.230 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748 93.6 44.4 2.88 2755 100.0 59000 7393 1.227 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 105.0 48.8 3.16 2754 96.2 55937 8392 1.242 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031 99.3 41.9 2.71 2743 100.0 59000 6939 1.232 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2 94.4 45.2 2.93 2740 100.0 59000 7552 1.239 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320 100.1 44.8 2.90 2738 99.6 59000 7527 1.221 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.2520 95.4 44.8 2.90 2732 100.0 59000 7184 1.246 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516 98.9 46.4 3.01 2732 98.5 59000 7786 1.232 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate XMR 4064 105.0 44.8 2.90 2731 100.0 58559 7184 1.266 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 9 98.7 44.9 2.91 2731 99.6 59000 7571 1.233 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot BigGame 105.0 46.5 3.02 2729 99.3 54714 7923 1.256 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 507 95.1 43.8 2.84 2724 100.0 59000 7343 1.236 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S321 94.3 44.3 2.87 2723 100.0 59000 7381 1.242 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC 94.4 43.7 2.83 2723 100.0 59000 7323 1.236 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335 91.0 43.6 2.83 2719 100.0 59000 7155 1.236 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate XMR 2495 100.2 42.3 2.74 2715 100.0 59000 6844 1.270 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S341 98.0 46.0 2.98 2714 99.6 59000 7381 1.235 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 101.7 48.3 3.13 2713 93.3 59000 8036 1.241 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208 99.8 44.2 2.87 2712 99.3 59000 7492 1.232 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N150 102.3 44.6 2.89 2710 100.0 59000 6861 1.239 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202 98.6 42.8 2.77 2705 100.0 59000 6962 1.244 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET 98.2 43.5 2.82 2705 99.7 59000 7339 1.234 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064 100.9 43.5 2.82 2705 99.4 59000 7324 1.237 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201 98.6 42.8 2.77 2703 100.0 59000 7214 1.253 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 105.0 45.3 2.93 2702 99.8 54570 7642 1.282 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 10 88.5 41.7 2.70 2702 100.0 59000 6911 1.242 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 100.9 46.4 3.01 2701 95.9 59000 7781 1.244 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 508 88.4 41.7 2.70 2701 100.0 59000 6903 1.242 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R902 99.0 42.9 2.78 2700 100.0 59000 7185 1.254 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 105.0 45.3 2.93 2699 99.7 54471 7644 1.283 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 104.4 45.0 2.92 2699 100.0 59000 6820 1.249 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 105.0 49.3 3.19 2698 96.1 51832 8321 1.280 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2219 88.5 40.3 2.61 2694 100.0 59000 6688 1.237 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322 91.4 40.3 2.61 2694 100.0 59000 6688 1.237 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.2460 93.7 43.6 2.82 2692 100.0 59000 6972 1.258 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator 89.4 40.9 2.65 2687 100.0 59000 6723 1.245 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540 99.2 45.6 2.96 2685 99.6 59000 7368 1.246 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901 94.9 40.7 2.64 2684 100.0 59000 6839 1.265 ! Near Maximum !
Nitrochemie A/S 0300 85.7 38.8 2.51 2680 100.0 59000 6409 1.246 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N135 102.1 43.1 2.79 2680 100.0 59000 6508 1.249 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140 100.8 43.6 2.82 2679 100.0 59000 6696 1.244 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.2230 91.0 42.7 2.77 2679 100.0 59000 6843 1.256 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 105.0 47.8 3.10 2674 94.5 54220 8005 1.281 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S060 97.1 41.9 2.71 2667 99.9 59000 6878 1.243 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2210 89.4 40.7 2.64 2666 100.0 59000 6773 1.246 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-12 93.9 42.2 2.74 2665 100.0 59000 6569 1.245 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073 89.5 41.6 2.69 2665 100.0 59000 6471 1.255 ! Near Maximum !
ADI BM2 87.4 41.0 2.66 2658 100.0 59000 6720 1.247 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Benchmark 94.3 41.1 2.66 2657 100.0 59000 6713 1.247 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206 97.1 42.3 2.74 2652 99.8 59000 6855 1.246 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2200 83.5 38.8 2.52 2649 100.0 59000 6501 1.246 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-10x 86.4 38.1 2.47 2645 100.0 59000 6234 1.259 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H 96.1 42.4 2.75 2645 99.7 59000 6822 1.245 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895 97.2 42.4 2.75 2645 99.7 59000 6822 1.245 ! Near Maximum !
SF-033 fl 88.4 39.8 2.58 2643 100.0 59000 6104 1.265 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.2700 102.6 47.7 3.09 2640 95.4 59000 7238 1.254 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate XMR 2015 96.4 39.7 2.57 2637 100.0 59000 6200 1.265 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S335 98.3 42.4 2.75 2634 100.0 59000 6399 1.261 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 105.0 45.8 2.97 2628 94.9 48811 7871 1.316
Norma 200 85.9 37.8 2.45 2622 100.0 59000 6055 1.276 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate XMR 4350 105.0 46.3 3.00 2617 97.1 46135 7926 1.359
Vihtavuori N133 95.8 40.4 2.62 2612 100.0 59000 6015 1.254 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4198 89.4 36.4 2.36 2600 100.0 59000 5932 1.248 ! Near Maximum !
</pre></div></div>
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
Who's to say that Hodgdon is the *only* ammo maker in the US who can buy powders from ADI? There are a few likely suspects from ADI which could yield the speed desired and predicted by QuickLoad, at canister powder charge weights well within the range where non-canister grade could be 40.5 grains.
From a marketing standpoint, it would make sense to load the uber-good factory ammo with something that is unobtanium to your customers in your largest non-military market.
Who's to say that Hodgdon is the *only* ammo maker in the US who can buy powders from ADI? There are a few likely suspects from ADI which could yield the speed desired and predicted by QuickLoad, at canister powder charge weights well within the range where non-canister grade could be 40.5 grains.
From a marketing standpoint, it would make sense to load the uber-good factory ammo with something that is unobtanium to your customers in your largest non-military market.
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
M118LR loaded by ATK at the Lake City Army Ammunition Plant uses Reloader 15.
M118LR loaded by General Dynamics uses proprietary General Dynamics / Saint Marks canister powder.
USSOCOM Mark 316 Mod 0 7.62MM Special Ball, Long Range, DODIC AB39 is loaded by Federal on the Gold Medal Match assembly line with "A modified extruded propellant."
M118LR loaded by ATK at the Lake City Army Ammunition Plant uses Reloader 15.
M118LR loaded by General Dynamics uses proprietary General Dynamics / Saint Marks canister powder.
USSOCOM Mark 316 Mod 0 7.62MM Special Ball, Long Range, DODIC AB39 is loaded by Federal on the Gold Medal Match assembly line with "A modified extruded propellant."
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
Dang I need to learn how to use Quickload. Got it with the group buy and the manual is huge.
Dang I need to learn how to use Quickload. Got it with the group buy and the manual is huge.
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
Not buying the Ford/GM argument... especially since I design automotive parts for a living and can tell you that they don't make most of their parts, they buy them from the same supplier base. Seems the powder distributors do too and their exclusivity agreements with the manufacturers could be for powders re-distribution only, and not for loaded ammo.
Base on the charge weight simulated in QL, availability in North America, not being green (eliminates the H powders), you can narrow it down to the following possibilities:
<span style="text-decoration: line-through">Vihtavuori N530</span>
<span style="text-decoration: line-through">IMR 3031</span>
Accurate 2015BR
Vihta Vuori N133
Norma N201
Think we can exclude N530 and IMR 3031 for temperature stability... Never seen the remaining powders. Which ones do not meet the description of "kernel is about 1/3 longer than a kernel of Varget"?
Norma N201 is interesting... and guess what? A number (all?) of Norma powders are produced by Bofors of Sweden. Anyone know what it looks like?
Not buying the Ford/GM argument... especially since I design automotive parts for a living and can tell you that they don't make most of their parts, they buy them from the same supplier base. Seems the powder distributors do too and their exclusivity agreements with the manufacturers could be for powders re-distribution only, and not for loaded ammo.
Base on the charge weight simulated in QL, availability in North America, not being green (eliminates the H powders), you can narrow it down to the following possibilities:
<span style="text-decoration: line-through">Vihtavuori N530</span>
<span style="text-decoration: line-through">IMR 3031</span>
Accurate 2015BR
Vihta Vuori N133
Norma N201
Think we can exclude N530 and IMR 3031 for temperature stability... Never seen the remaining powders. Which ones do not meet the description of "kernel is about 1/3 longer than a kernel of Varget"?
Norma N201 is interesting... and guess what? A number (all?) of Norma powders are produced by Bofors of Sweden. Anyone know what it looks like?
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
I don't see how Norma 201 can make that velocity with 40gr. It makes 2700 with like 43gr.
Now, you may be onto something since Accurate 2015 is a Tubular Extruded powder, and if you go with 62000PSI as max, one may be able to get more powder. But 2015 is just a fast burning powder, i wonder if it will make 2735fps without going over pressure.
Vihtavuori N133 also has some potential... and yet, it is another fast burning powder.
But i think we are probably after a "fast" powder, since 40gr can yield those velocity numbers....
I am also thinking about looking into ADI 2219....
I don't see how Norma 201 can make that velocity with 40gr. It makes 2700 with like 43gr.
Now, you may be onto something since Accurate 2015 is a Tubular Extruded powder, and if you go with 62000PSI as max, one may be able to get more powder. But 2015 is just a fast burning powder, i wonder if it will make 2735fps without going over pressure.
Vihtavuori N133 also has some potential... and yet, it is another fast burning powder.
But i think we are probably after a "fast" powder, since 40gr can yield those velocity numbers....
I am also thinking about looking into ADI 2219....
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
The correct powder IS on the above list, and some assumptions above are incorrect...
The correct powder IS on the above list, and some assumptions above are incorrect...
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
Good hint! You specify assumptions... as opposed to CoryT's observations from his sample rounds. That would imply that the referes to either the temperature stability of IMR3031/N530 or N201 requiring 43 gr. to get to the velocity are wrong.
Pretty sure N530 isn't longer than Varget, so we are probably looking at either IMR3031 or N201. My newer version of QL says 40.2 gr. of N201 does get that velocity and above N201 and N202 are at the same charge weight. I would consider a QL prediction of 2600 or above to be a viable candidate.
I suppose it could also mean that 2015 being at 62k psi is a wrong assumption...
Good hint! You specify assumptions... as opposed to CoryT's observations from his sample rounds. That would imply that the referes to either the temperature stability of IMR3031/N530 or N201 requiring 43 gr. to get to the velocity are wrong.
Pretty sure N530 isn't longer than Varget, so we are probably looking at either IMR3031 or N201. My newer version of QL says 40.2 gr. of N201 does get that velocity and above N201 and N202 are at the same charge weight. I would consider a QL prediction of 2600 or above to be a viable candidate.
I suppose it could also mean that 2015 being at 62k psi is a wrong assumption...
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kombayotch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[snip]
Base on the charge weight simulated in QL, availability in North America, not being green (eliminates the H powders), you can narrow it down to the following possibilities:
[snip]</div></div>
Since all powders are yellowish-white to green before being graphite-coated, I'm not inclined to accept this conclusion regarding the H powders produced by ADI. Unless someone can point me to an internal ballistics report indicating that graphite (or any other black surface coating) screws up the temperature sensitivity, the green color remains only a "clue" to me that a particular powder resists velocity shifts in human-environment ambient temperatures.
There's more at play here. After all, there's a huge difference in temperature sensitivity among plenty of other powders that are are traditionally graphite coated.
Plus, the news blurb mentions elements being ADDED to reduce temperature sensitivity, not elements being removed...FW that obviously non-detailed description IW.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kombayotch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[snip]
Base on the charge weight simulated in QL, availability in North America, not being green (eliminates the H powders), you can narrow it down to the following possibilities:
[snip]</div></div>
Since all powders are yellowish-white to green before being graphite-coated, I'm not inclined to accept this conclusion regarding the H powders produced by ADI. Unless someone can point me to an internal ballistics report indicating that graphite (or any other black surface coating) screws up the temperature sensitivity, the green color remains only a "clue" to me that a particular powder resists velocity shifts in human-environment ambient temperatures.
There's more at play here. After all, there's a huge difference in temperature sensitivity among plenty of other powders that are are traditionally graphite coated.
Plus, the news blurb mentions elements being ADDED to reduce temperature sensitivity, not elements being removed...FW that obviously non-detailed description IW.
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1SMALLJOHNSON</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The correct powder IS on the above list, and some assumptions above are incorrect...</div></div>
Breach of contract!!!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1SMALLJOHNSON</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The correct powder IS on the above list, and some assumptions above are incorrect...</div></div>
Breach of contract!!!!
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
If its a COTS powder, not being coated shouldn't be an option.
Sounds like:
Federal Brass with a 210M primer (Crimped), 40.2 grains IMR 3031, topped off with a 175 grain SMK?
Somebody out there has to have the parts laying around their bench.
Make some up and let us know if it matches ~2700fps & shoots under 1 MOA.
If its a COTS powder, not being coated shouldn't be an option.
Sounds like:
Federal Brass with a 210M primer (Crimped), 40.2 grains IMR 3031, topped off with a 175 grain SMK?
Somebody out there has to have the parts laying around their bench.
Make some up and let us know if it matches ~2700fps & shoots under 1 MOA.
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
He also said it was in my list... and there are no H powders in that list. Its one of these:
IMR 3031
Accurate 2015BR
Vihta Vuori N133
Norma N201
The first three produce equal velocities for the same charge weights in other calibers according to the reloading manuals.
Not a lot of data for N201 out there to compare against. But, it is relatively new and its made by a manufacturer that makes a lot of powders for Alliant.
He also said it was in my list... and there are no H powders in that list. Its one of these:
IMR 3031
Accurate 2015BR
Vihta Vuori N133
Norma N201
The first three produce equal velocities for the same charge weights in other calibers according to the reloading manuals.
Not a lot of data for N201 out there to compare against. But, it is relatively new and its made by a manufacturer that makes a lot of powders for Alliant.
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kombayotch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not a lot of data for N201 out there to compare against. But, it is relatively new and its made by a manufacturer that makes a lot of powders for Alliant. </div></div>
He also said that it wasn't exactly new either....????
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kombayotch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not a lot of data for N201 out there to compare against. But, it is relatively new and its made by a manufacturer that makes a lot of powders for Alliant. </div></div>
He also said that it wasn't exactly new either....????
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
Never breached a thing. Boy I wish I could tell all, but I can't, so I won't. By the way, has Alliant published any data for their new spherical powders yet?
Never breached a thing. Boy I wish I could tell all, but I can't, so I won't. By the way, has Alliant published any data for their new spherical powders yet?
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
Im pretty sure he 1smalljohnson is saying that it is on the quickload list posted by jicko.
Thats the way I would play it if I was in his position.
Comparing the quickload list above to other published data, there are some serious discrepancies.
BTW, there are some great 308 powders that are readily available. I can buy about half of what is on the list locally at this time. I would say, buy a few of the usual suspects and then load about 10k of your favorite recipe. Problem solved.
Im pretty sure he 1smalljohnson is saying that it is on the quickload list posted by jicko.
Thats the way I would play it if I was in his position.
Comparing the quickload list above to other published data, there are some serious discrepancies.
BTW, there are some great 308 powders that are readily available. I can buy about half of what is on the list locally at this time. I would say, buy a few of the usual suspects and then load about 10k of your favorite recipe. Problem solved.
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kombayotch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Base on the charge weight simulated in QL, availability in North America, not being green (eliminates the H powders), you can narrow it down to the following possibilities:
<span style="text-decoration: line-through">Vihtavuori N530</span>
<span style="text-decoration: line-through">IMR 3031</span>
Accurate 2015BR
Vihta Vuori N133
Norma N201
Think we can exclude N530 and IMR 3031 for temperature stability... </div></div>
Why do you think N530 or 3031 are temperature sensitive??
Actually, can CoryT post a picture of how the powder looks like? And possible measure the exact length of a couple of kernels?
Then, everyone else, if you have ANY of the above mentioned powder on your loading table, please take a picture of the powder, and ALSO measure a couple of kernels?
We SHOULD be able to find it *real* soon this way....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kombayotch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Base on the charge weight simulated in QL, availability in North America, not being green (eliminates the H powders), you can narrow it down to the following possibilities:
<span style="text-decoration: line-through">Vihtavuori N530</span>
<span style="text-decoration: line-through">IMR 3031</span>
Accurate 2015BR
Vihta Vuori N133
Norma N201
Think we can exclude N530 and IMR 3031 for temperature stability... </div></div>
Why do you think N530 or 3031 are temperature sensitive??
Actually, can CoryT post a picture of how the powder looks like? And possible measure the exact length of a couple of kernels?
Then, everyone else, if you have ANY of the above mentioned powder on your loading table, please take a picture of the powder, and ALSO measure a couple of kernels?
We SHOULD be able to find it *real* soon this way....
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
The N500 family is double based (not temperature stable) and the kernels are short. I concede that IMR3031 may be temperature stable and does fit the physical description.
Still dismissing the H powders. Even if they were not green, the two that fall within the right burn rate are H322 and Benchmark. Both of those have tiny kernels. Definitely not 1/3 longer than Varget kernels, more like 1/3 the size of Varget kernels. If that was the description, it would be a shoe-in for H322 or Benchmark.
edit: benchrest shooters say both N530 and N133 are short cut and shorter than Varget.
The N500 family is double based (not temperature stable) and the kernels are short. I concede that IMR3031 may be temperature stable and does fit the physical description.
Still dismissing the H powders. Even if they were not green, the two that fall within the right burn rate are H322 and Benchmark. Both of those have tiny kernels. Definitely not 1/3 longer than Varget kernels, more like 1/3 the size of Varget kernels. If that was the description, it would be a shoe-in for H322 or Benchmark.
edit: benchrest shooters say both N530 and N133 are short cut and shorter than Varget.
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
Bee,
Hard to read your name. For my .308, I'm loading one powder you can't get (just slower than 748) and another that you'll soon be able to get (Alliant Power Pro Medium Rifle). This new powder was advertised at the 2008 Shotshow, so I can speak of it freely. I really like the Power Pro stuff. Let's just say that it works REALLY well with a 175 grain SMK. Advertised velocity is 2720 fps out of a 24" tube. Add another 2", and you're approaching 2800 fps. I've chrono'd my load @ 2825 out of a 26" Rock Creek tube. Accuracy @ 300 yards was one inch, shot by two different shooters, 2 or 3 each, 5 shot groups. Very good temperature sensitivity in this .308 load with CCI 200's. However, I'm biased. All I "should" say is that I think you'll like it, and it should be out this fall. If you don't like it, I'll eat my hat.
One last hint - This new powder is spherical. It ain't the powder in the Navy load.
Bee,
Hard to read your name. For my .308, I'm loading one powder you can't get (just slower than 748) and another that you'll soon be able to get (Alliant Power Pro Medium Rifle). This new powder was advertised at the 2008 Shotshow, so I can speak of it freely. I really like the Power Pro stuff. Let's just say that it works REALLY well with a 175 grain SMK. Advertised velocity is 2720 fps out of a 24" tube. Add another 2", and you're approaching 2800 fps. I've chrono'd my load @ 2825 out of a 26" Rock Creek tube. Accuracy @ 300 yards was one inch, shot by two different shooters, 2 or 3 each, 5 shot groups. Very good temperature sensitivity in this .308 load with CCI 200's. However, I'm biased. All I "should" say is that I think you'll like it, and it should be out this fall. If you don't like it, I'll eat my hat.
One last hint - This new powder is spherical. It ain't the powder in the Navy load.
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
So, you've been describing a different load than what CoryT posted about? Sorry, I thought your hints were regarding the Navy load...
So, you've been describing a different load than what CoryT posted about? Sorry, I thought your hints were regarding the Navy load...
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
Sorry to confuse. My above posts were describing (or lack of describing) the Navy load. Bee asked what "I" was using in my reloads, and I answered truthfully. While I "could" load the Navy load, I choose not to. I really, really, really like dumping my powder out of my 550B, especially when it dumps +/- 0.2 grains all day long... That's good enough for me, good enough for sub-sub minute at 300 yards.
Sorry to confuse. My above posts were describing (or lack of describing) the Navy load. Bee asked what "I" was using in my reloads, and I answered truthfully. While I "could" load the Navy load, I choose not to. I really, really, really like dumping my powder out of my 550B, especially when it dumps +/- 0.2 grains all day long... That's good enough for me, good enough for sub-sub minute at 300 yards.
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
From a much earlier published QL sort published here IMR3031 gives 2754fps in a 26" bbl with a 175SMK using a 42.1gn load and a peak pressure of 60Ksi. It also yields 100% burn and the lowest pressure at the muzzle. FWIW.
From a much earlier published QL sort published here IMR3031 gives 2754fps in a 26" bbl with a 175SMK using a 42.1gn load and a peak pressure of 60Ksi. It also yields 100% burn and the lowest pressure at the muzzle. FWIW.
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
Accurate confirms that 2015 gives the right velocity... but is short cut for easy metering.
Norma distributor tells me that N201 is "a little bit longer than Varget... but not much"...
Looks like its either IMR3031 or N201.
Accurate confirms that 2015 gives the right velocity... but is short cut for easy metering.
Norma distributor tells me that N201 is "a little bit longer than Varget... but not much"...
Looks like its either IMR3031 or N201.
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kombayotch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Accurate confirms that 2015 gives the right velocity... but is short cut for easy metering.</div></div>
Maybe it is a "modified" 2015???? 2015LC.... lol
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Norma distributor tells me that N201 is "a little bit longer than Varget... but not much"...
Looks like its either IMR3031 or N201. </div></div>
If it is JUST a commercially available powder, and in YOUR list, then it is likely to be 3031 or 201.....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kombayotch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Accurate confirms that 2015 gives the right velocity... but is short cut for easy metering.</div></div>
Maybe it is a "modified" 2015???? 2015LC.... lol
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Norma distributor tells me that N201 is "a little bit longer than Varget... but not much"...
Looks like its either IMR3031 or N201. </div></div>
If it is JUST a commercially available powder, and in YOUR list, then it is likely to be 3031 or 201.....
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
Federal own Lake City Arsenals - 2 or 3 years now.
Federal still use IMR4064 powder in their 168gr Match load. They aren't dumb enough to mess with success.
Federal own Lake City Arsenals - 2 or 3 years now.
Federal still use IMR4064 powder in their 168gr Match load. They aren't dumb enough to mess with success.
Re: New M118LR loading from Federal
Lake City Army Ammunition Plant belongs to the United States Government. It is a Government Owned - Contractor Operated (GOCO) enterprise. Alliant Techsystems (ATK - Federal Ammunition) has the current four-year contract.
Lake City Army Ammunition Plant belongs to the United States Government. It is a Government Owned - Contractor Operated (GOCO) enterprise. Alliant Techsystems (ATK - Federal Ammunition) has the current four-year contract.
