To know that this is incorrect you only have to have fired a pellet gun with lightweight projectiles that go supersonic. The supersonic shock wave propagates away from the shooter, and even to a bystander catching it that wouldn't be true.
My ears are already fucked... I have tinnitus so bad, I have to sleep with a fan and a TV on to keep them from ringing. The TV is on mute, and they're literally ringing right now as I'm typing. My ears were fucked by the time I was in my early 20's from shooting without plugs. You ever had a Ma Deuce randomly light-off a belt 5 feet from you without plugs on, when you're not aware of what's fixing to happen? That shit will rock you.
My ears are already fucked... I have tinnitus so bad, I have to sleep with a fan and a TV on to keep them from ringing. The TV is on mute, and they're literally ringing right now as I'm typing. My ears were fucked by the time I was in my early 20's from shooting without plugs. You ever had a Ma Deuce randomly light-off a belt 5 feet from you without plugs on, when you're not aware of what's fixing to happen? That shit will rock you.
The cans do help significantly to reduce triggering my tinnitus...Even without muffs or plugs. And also, if everyone around me is shooting suppressed, as well, even wearing muffs it won't trigger my tinnitus. Whereas, if I'm wearing muffs and others around me are shooting unsuppressed, or AR's with brakes on them, it will trigger my tinnitus BAD! And while cans are getting REALLY popular at my local range (they are a SS dealer with a kiosk), majority of folks still don't shoot suppressed. And I live 3 minutes from there, so if they're really crowded, I'll do what I need to do really quick, and go the fuck home to avoid all the boom, and then try again the next day, or the following weekend.
I would love that to eventually become a requirement at ranges! If the government would just get with the times and remove them from the NFA registry, then we could be like Europe, and actually require them for hunting and shooting. In many European countries, it is considered a “common courtesy” to your neighbors and others nearby to not create a bunch of noise pollution, when you clearly have easy access to a modern device that can help moderate it by simply screwing it on/off the end of your barrel.
Thanks for watching! It seems virtually nobody is interested in these cans on here... This thread is like a ghost town.
You remember how you felt the first time a girl let you round 3rd base, and slide into home? Yeah... That's how it feels the first time you shoot a suppressed bolt-action .22LR with subsonic ammo. You will be hooked from then-on. 
I have enjoyed reading and following this. The Otter Creek cans do interest me; as do other F4 cans. I, personally, prefer the F1 route; and catering my builds to their host.Thanks for watching! It seems virtually nobody is interested in these cans on here... This thread is like a ghost town.
Oh, you're referring to the landslide of future NFA and suppressor purchases? Yeah, that's inevitable. I don't think anyone ever just purchases 1 suppressor and says, "Yeah, I'm good, I don't need anymore..." You'll start subconsciously buying more guns that already threaded so you can suppress them. And then buying more suppressors, and trying to acquire 1 can per host.
I do recommend going ahead and getting you a Dead Air Mask HD at the same time, and getting your rimfire needs and your rifle needs covered in the first go-round. On a serious note, that is something I do highly recommend doing.
What kind of a closeout deal you find on the PR65? Do they have any PR65S cans, or just the L model? Might be worth looking into for a dedicated can for my Grendel. You can shoot me a PM if you'd prefer. Or I might just order another Hydrogen-S, but in 6.5mm bore just for the Grendel.
I don't know anything about the F1 crowd or anything of his endeavors previous to Otter Creek Labs, but I do know i'm impressed with his products. The Hydrogen-L is hanging right there with my Nomad-LT, and the Nomad-LT was the quietest suppressor I had heard personally, do date when I first got it. They say the new TBAC Magnus is quieter, but I won't have the funds for that for a LONG time, but I'll find out someday.I have enjoyed reading and following this. The Otter Creek cans do interest me; as do other F4 cans. I, personally, prefer the F1 route; and catering my builds to their host.
Following Quell......umm....Andrew.....ah ha! Otter Creek, has been an interesting journey. I dont do Instagram or FB, and I know a lot has/had been shared throughout. But Andrew was a good member of the F1 crowd, once upon a time, and always had some great ideas. Its good to see his work paying off, and doing damn well at it.
He listened to the right crowd
It was Charlies Custom Clones for 749. When I went back today, out of stock, so I think I nabbed the last one.Thanks for watching! It seems virtually nobody is interested in these cans on here... This thread is like a ghost town.
Oh, you're referring to the landslide of future NFA and suppressor purchases? Yeah, that's inevitable. I don't think anyone ever just purchases 1 suppressor and says, "Yeah, I'm good, I don't need anymore..." You'll start subconsciously buying more guns that already threaded so you can suppress them. And then buying more suppressors, and trying to acquire 1 can per host.
I do recommend going ahead and getting you a Dead Air Mask HD at the same time, and getting your rimfire needs and your rifle needs covered in the first go-round. On a serious note, that is something I do highly recommend doing.
What kind of a closeout deal you find on the PR65? Do they have any PR65S cans, or just the L model? Might be worth looking into for a dedicated can for my Grendel. You can shoot me a PM if you'd prefer. Or I might just order another Hydrogen-S, but in 6.5mm bore just for the Grendel.
Gotcha... Yeah, that's a good price. You'll enjoy it.
I haven't shot a PR series, but If it's anything like my Hydro's, then you'll be really happy with the purchase. Well buddy you know all about his antics in the form 1 world, many of which are still not viewed favorably by many still to this day. He was definitely a character on the old form 1 forum.I have enjoyed reading and following this. The Otter Creek cans do interest me; as do other F4 cans. I, personally, prefer the F1 route; and catering my builds to their host.
Following Quell......umm....Andrew.....ah ha! Otter Creek, has been an interesting journey. I dont do Instagram or FB, and I know a lot has/had been shared throughout. But Andrew was a good member of the F1 crowd, once upon a time, and always had some great ideas. Its good to see his work paying off, and doing damn well at it.
He listened to the right crowd
There he is!
What bore size are the keymo mounts you use for your Grendels?Gotcha... Yeah, that's a good price. You'll enjoy it.
To my knowledge, unless it's a special model, I believe all the Dead Air KeyMount brakes are the same size aperture (.30 caliber)...Even the 1/2x28 models are the same .30 caliber aperture. Like was mentioned, I'm pretty sure that doesn't make any noticeable difference in sound or function, so that's why they run them all the same size.
I believe, that more than anything, the brake aids in baffle preservation. Flash hider, not so much.
I think you misread my reply... Nobody said a brake made no difference. I said the difference between the the .224 and .308 diameter linear apertures of the muzzle brakes inside of a suppressor makes no difference in diameter size...Not that the muzzle brake makes no difference.I believe, that more than anything, the brake aids in baffle preservation. Flash hider, not so much.
That being said; we all know what a brake does, or at least we should. Now if you had ONLY a brake, and put a tube around it, with an endcap; do we not think that it would muffle the blast a little? Albeit, not much, I'll admit. But I'd wager it would.
My point is that it has to do something. 1 or 2 db maybe? I'm not currently recalling any study of the same can, back to back, with and without. There would be more volume, because the BC would be empty with direct thread; but with supersonic rounds, FRP is not what you're fighting.
Brakes are neat. Rant over.
Ray, what's your thoughts on something I heard the other day... Have you done much testing with the KeyMo mount setup? I was told by someone that KeyMo added a few DB on the meter compared to direct-thread... I don't know if that really makes sense since the KeyMo seals with the taper in the back, but it was just something I heard, was curious if you had noticed that at all in your testing? I would be interested in seeing a video testing this theory, if that's something yall would be interested in giving a go?
Always wanted a TBAC can, because yall are legendary in the industry, just haven't had the chance to get one in HUB until recently, since I ended up getting heavily invested in KeyMo because of my Sandman-S cans, so I could swap them around easily and test them on different guns.
Why not just get a Polonium if you’re planning on a dedicated .22 caliber centerfire can? It has a 6mm bore, and can be used on any 6mm/.243 caliber rifle, as well.
Eww 13oz and over 5 inches.
Same could be said about running a 5" K-can on a centerfire rifle... Why not just shoot unsuppressed with a muzzle brake? You only shave about 15-20 DB off of the unsuppressed volume...It's almost like you don't even have a can on there.
I actually really like my direct thread turbo k on a 16" Tikka 223 deer gun.Same could be said about running a 5" K-can on a centerfire rifle... Why not just shoot unsuppressed with a muzzle brake? You only shave about 15-20 DB off of the unsuppressed volume...It's almost like you don't even have a can on there.
But I do understand the desire for compactness. I think the Hydrogen-S 6.5 would be something good to look into with their ZRO-DTA direct-thread mount. It adds virtually zero length to the 7" can, and still gives you 9 baffles to knock-down all that gas. The Hydro-S is all titanium and weighs only 9.5 oz. Just throwing that out there as something to look into.
I can't help you with any K-can info, other than hearing folks shooting with them at the range, and still having to wear ear pro and it sounding almost just as loud as if they weren't running a suppressor... But... Maybe @AndrewKing can weigh-in for you, and help you out with some DB numbers or info on the Hydro-K 6.5?
To each, his own... I shoot for quietest cans possible, unless it's something specific like my 2 Sandman-S cans...They're for short barrels and mag dumps.I actually really like my direct thread turbo k on a 16" Tikka 223 deer gun.
But that can's been relegated to bedside duty on a 10.5, and yes that rig is LOUD
a good tight bore k can (i.e. not a sandman, etc) is totally adequate suppression for popping Bambi's IME It's also comfy at the range with light ear pro which I'm always gonna wear for more than 1-2 shots anyhow.
Same could be said about running a 5" K-can on a centerfire rifle... Why not just shoot unsuppressed with a muzzle brake? You only shave about 15-20 DB off of the unsuppressed volume...It's almost like you don't even have a can on there.
How is this possible when you're the one who keeps preaching that permanent damage can occur below 140 DB with just a single shot? If the average gun shot is 165-180 DB, t hen it's definitely not hearing safe with a K-can.
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Just paid for it yesterday. He let me know as soon as they were finished. I'm having it sent to a local gun shop/range so I can get conjugal visits with it while I wait! Super excited to see how it is.
