Awesome! Keep us updated!Just paid for it yesterday. He let me know as soon as they were finished. I'm having it sent to a local gun shop/range so I can get conjugal visits with it while I wait! Super excited to see how it is.
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Awesome! Keep us updated!Just paid for it yesterday. He let me know as soon as they were finished. I'm having it sent to a local gun shop/range so I can get conjugal visits with it while I wait! Super excited to see how it is.
They're building some really impressive cans. It was cool to be part of their pre-production T&E group. I hope this continues in the future with new cans they might develop. I bought all my cans from them, so I felt I could be as unbiased as possible. I'm always honest about everything I own. I have thought about getting an OCM5 for my LWRC M6A1 (piston) rifle, and keep it on there full-time, but right now things are tight in this economy, so I'll get around to it someday.FWIW, I think Otter Creek has done well in under a year of business, give or take. The Hydrogen seems to fair well, but it is a crowded field. Their previous PRS suppressors were tested by Pew Science and did better than average. From what I understand, this is the close to the same model with some changes in exterior aesthetics. I am not sure the heat sink does much. My take is it is more of a design change.
We just got in the 6.5mm Hydrogen S and will be getting 7.62 in L. The Polonium and OCM5 are pretty much crowd pleasers, but each has its own niche, and OCL is a low volume shop, so hard to tell when things sell out if it is very high demand, given the small production output.
My suppressor is being sent to my dealer. I got a very low number production can so I'm super excited to be an early adopter of the Hydrogen L.They're building some really impressive cans. It was cool to be part of their pre-production T&E group. I hope this continues in the future with new cans they might develop. I bought all my cans from them, so I felt I could be as unbiased as possible. I'm always honest about everything I own. I have thought about getting an OCM5 for my LWRC M6A1 (piston) rifle, and keep it on there full-time, but right now things are tight in this economy, so I'll get around to it someday.
I should be getting my Polonium at the dealer in the next few weeks... I can't wait to try it out.
My numbers are low, as well.My suppressor is being sent to my dealer. I got a very low number production can so I'm super excited to be an early adopter of the Hydrogen L.
I’m still waiting on my S. It was certified May 17 (were well beyond the 100 day quote now ). I wasn’t able to certify the L until Aug 19. So it will be a while. Maybe they’ll get reviewed by an examiner that will do a batch approval?Hydrogen L got approved this morning. 72 day wait, I couldn't believe it. Gonna go to the ranch this weekend to shoot some hogs.
Damn! That's a good deal on the Hydro-L 7.62 for $725! Anyone looking at one, that's almost $400 cheaper than a Nomad-LT, and the Hydro-L produces damn-near identical performance to it.Charlies Custom Clones is listing some serious reduced prices (blow out??) on the Otter Creek Suppressors.
Hydrogen for $725, but the others are not in stock (Polonium for $325). Also less for the PR65L (in jail) than I paid a few months ago.
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Yeah, it’s no surprise they’re sold out at that price! That’s an insane blowout deal!Yeah, I was seriously thinking about picking up one. If the Polonium had been is stock at the $325 price I would have pulled the trigger.
They were blowing them out because Otter Creek dropped them as a dealer. They'd sell what they didn't have in inventory and people were complaining to Otter Creek. Whatever was left was their remaining inventory.Yeah, I was seriously thinking about picking up one. If the Polonium had been is stock at the $325 price I would have pulled the trigger.
Since I’m not affiliated with either company in a monetary way, it wasn’t my place to explain why the OCL cans were being blown out for those low prices, but this is correct info. It was bad business practices on Charlie’s part. Nothing negative to do with OCL.They were blowing them out because Otter Creek dropped them as a dealer. They'd sell what they didn't have in inventory and people were complaining to Otter Creek. Whatever was left was their remaining inventory.
Interesting that Otter Creek says their Hydrogen is better than TBAC Ultra Series. Any thoughts?
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The question mentioned suppression and the Hydrogen L did score higher in Pew Science ratings."Better" in what way?
The question mentioned suppression and the Hydrogen L did score higher in Pew Science ratings.
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Reducing sound is literally the whole entire point of running a can instead of say a 249F.
We make way too many excuses for companies who don't run their cans through Pew Science in order for us to make more informed decisions about purchases.
Implied in your statement is that it would be ludicrous to run overly heavy or lengthy cans.
Ounces and inches which we can not only measure and verify ourselves, but that vendors are by and large transparent and accurate about.
Now do sound reduction. You sure a TBAC 338 is the quietest thing you can run, on any given firearm? Really?
How do you know? More importantly: WHY don't you know?
I'm just saying that's what the original metric in the screenshot was referring to. Thus answering your "better in what way" question.Sound suppression is only one metric.
I'm not suggesting that one suppressor is better than another. But there's a lot more to suppressors than merely dB ratings.
We focus way too much on merely dB ratings.
Interesting that Otter Creek says their Hydrogen is better than TBAC Ultra Series. Any thoughts?
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Who said that "ALL" I care about is sound? You are strawmanning this. I care about weight and length too, but I can both already objectively and independently quantify those and manufacturers are also already honest and transparent about them.
But since the whole entire point of a can is for sound reduction, I ALSO care about sound. I want to know how much sound reduction I am getting for a given weight and length penalty. I want to know this information exactly, to close to as much certainty as I can know their weight or length.
Now I'll pull the same strawman on you, in reverse. You DON'T care about sound? Why are you running a can at all, if sound doesn't matter?
I'm just saying that's what the original metric in the screenshot was referring to. Thus answering your "better in what way" question.
I will agree that sound quality of the can is important as well. And I see what @heavy65 is saying, that we already KNOW the length and weight of a can, so that's a distinguished deciding predetermined factor we already know. So if you're looking for a 7" can, you're not going to be looking for a Hydrogen-L...You'd be looking at the Hydrogen-S lineup. You know what I mean? I think he's saying that because we know those static factors, comparing them to other cans with those same exact factors, a true honest comparison is the DB numbers at that point. Because all else being equal, the DB numbers don't lie, and also shows you how much engineering and design goes into something, to do what it's supposed to do.I personally don't think dB reduction is the be-all end-all with suppressors. We tend to focus way too much on dB ratings and too little on the other factors. Even @lowlight has made this point, numerous times.
I have to wear hearing protection anyways when I shoot a suppressed center-fire cartridge, so whether it's 135 dB or 141 dB is of relatively little concern to me.
I personally wouldn't pick one can over the other just because it's a few dB quieter.
I'm not going to say their the best thing ever made, because I'm not a shill for anyone. But I will certainly say, that I have been beyond impressed with mine. And I plan to buy more in the future. For the money, they are excellent. Espeically when you find them on sale, because it ends up being way cheaper than it's extremely similar counterparts from other brands. Facts are facts.My point is that that's only one metric, and that metric alone does not make any suppressor better over another necessarily.
Really depends on your use and objectives. I've made my point, so no need for me to belabor it further.
The OCL cans obviously suppress very well. For some people, they very well may be the "best" suppressor for their specific use and needs. I wouldn't fault anyone for wanting an OCL, they are obviously decent cans.
I'm not going to say their the best thing ever made, because I'm not a shill for anyone. But I will certainly say, that I have been beyond impressed with mine. And I plan to buy more in the future. For the money, they are excellent. Espeically when you find them on sale, because it ends up being way cheaper than it's extremely similar counterparts from other brands. Facts are facts.
I love Dead Air, and I will absolutely buy more Dead Air cans in the future (probably going to pickup a 2nd Mask HD soon), because they build amazing suppressors. But honestly, after all my first-hand experiences with both brands... If I can get a Hydrogen-S or a Hydrogen-L on sale, plus the stamp, and the trust, for the same price as buying JUST the Nomad-Ti or Nomad-LT by itself... And the PEW science ratings are so damn close it's scary... Which one you think I'm picking in this economy?
Understood, if you never shoot without earpro on you and the folks around you, then sound performance isn't an important criteria. It's even less important whenever the data isn't available for it. For hunting it matters to me. Do you prefer K cans?I personally don't think dB reduction is the be-all end-all with suppressors. We tend to focus way too much on dB ratings and too little on the other factors. Even @lowlight has made this point, numerous times.
I have to wear hearing protection anyways when I shoot a suppressed center-fire cartridge, so whether it's 135 dB or 141 dB is of relatively little concern to me.
I personally wouldn't pick one can over the other just because it's a few dB quieter.
Understood, if you never shoot without earpro on you and the folks around you, then sound performance isn't an important criteria. It's even less important whenever the data isn't available for it. For hunting it matters to me. Do you prefer K cans?
Think we were talking past each other to some extent. I agree that all those other factors are valid to prioritize, even if some aren't quantifiable. My point was that you needed to be able to know the sound performance in the first place to balance it with your other, higher priorities. All those other factors are worth ~5db to you (to me, too). But to say this you had to know going in what the sound performance gap was.For example, on my PRS rifle, I would much rather have a suppressor that's 140 dB but has very desirable recoil characteristics over a suppressor that is 135 dB with a long heavy "push" for recoil.
That 5 dB penalty is absolutely worth it for that, especially considering I still have to wear hearing pro. dB's are far from everything.
I'll agree with that. Best is what is best suited for your needs. And there's a lot of truth in that.I don't think there's anything wrong with those suppressors. They are obviously great suppressors.
My point is that "the best" is subjective and mission dependent, and dB's are far from the only consideration.
You'd have to define "hearing safe."I have a few different kind of suppressors. They all serve different purposes. None of them are "the best" at every scenario or mission.
And I would never recommend anyone shoot any supersonic cartridge without ear pro, suppressed or not. None are hearing safe.
You know I got the Ti. I haven't shot it yet. I got the oculus too so you could test it against your mask for 22lr tooBring it down, and we’ll swap for a few rounds. I’m interested to see how the regular Nomad-Ti stacks up against the Hydrogen-S. Length & weight they’re almost identical. I think the baffle count is close, too.
As far as want…Why not get both? They both serve a role. The Nomad-LT will be a beast of a hunting can with max suppression.
And then get you a couple of the OCL cans… I’m telling you straight-up, they’re nothing to sneeze at. They’re holding their own with the big boys. I’ve been highly impressed. And I bought all of my cans, so there’s no bias going on.
I haven’t been to the range in months. I had covid about 3 months ago, then about 2 months ago I was dealing with work shit, and a little over a month ago my dad died, so I’ve been dealing with all his estate shit, and shitty/petty trash family members trying to rob him blind after he died. It’s been a real mess. And all the while in between all of it, I was working on a job offer to switch jobs, and now I’m starting that on the 30th. So, it’s been a crazy 3 months. It’s football Saturday today, but I might go tomorrow. I need to get in a little “group therapy”.You know I got the Ti. I haven't shot it yet. I got the oculus too so you could test it against your mask for 22lr too
Tests have proven othersise, when shooter's ear numbers are in the 120's, that's pretty damn hearing safe. OSHA states 140 DB is where permanent damage occurs. Granted, lower decibels for extended periods can cause the same issues (like working in a factory full of equipment all running at the same time all day long), but those are also for extended periods of time, and gunshots literally last milliseconds.
Well, other anonymous internet person, I honestly don’t give a fuck. Do whatever you want to do, I literally couldn’t care less.Well anonymous internet person, we can take your post at face value and suffer hearing damage or we can still wear hearing protection because those loud noises hurt. I know, tough call.
Still waiting on your definition of "hearing safe" that would make this warning meaningful.Hopefully no one here actually thinks that suppressed centerfire cartridges that are traveling supersonic velocities are hearing safe. Good recipe for hearing damage.
Still waiting on your definition of "hearing safe" that would make this warning meaningful.
I agree with what you said. I don't subscribe to the all centerfire is unsafe BS. But that's the last I'll say on it.I'm not familiar with all that, but I have seen Bryant deferring to Jay on this stuff and Jay says a 22" 6.5CM Hyperion is quieter to the shooter than an 8" 300BLK subsonic with a Q Trash Panda.
Blanket statements that all centerfire supersonic cartridges aren't hearing safe is belied by data like this and Pew Science exists to demystify it.
Edit: all good, that's my last on it.
It's been covered ad nauseum in other threads, by people who can write it up better than I.
@E. Bryant in particular has covered this specific topic well in other threads.