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section 179, they are both playing squarely in the same ballpark
I am aware of the section 179 6000lbs gross weight, and other blah blah blah aspects that allow deductions.
As far as "truck" the F250 is rated much higher for work. payload 4000lbs, conventional towing 18000lbs, 5th wheel 27500lbs
tundra is 2000lbs payload, conventional towing 10,500lbs, no 5th wheel numbers listed
(f150 3.5 ecoboost, 3220lbs payload, 12,200 lbs towing)
all based on 2017 model year.
 
Firstly, I can’t tell you how much I respect the Marines ( & all the others who served in our military) & corpsmen who followed them into the Pacific. You’re absolutely correct in that once they’re gone all their experience(s) will be lost. That loss can’t be replaced.

As you may’ve noticed, it says “0311 Shellback” under my name. I served my military years as a Marine Rifleman. I went to Somalia & the ME during my years in the Corps. I don’t regret any of it for a second. I have great respect for veterans.

You also pointed out that times have changed. I agree w/ that statement. Up until recently I felt the same way. Ford was my only option after the bailout. The best vehicle I’ve ever owned was an ‘03 F350 diesel truck. But, Ford sold out to left & I can’t support them. I’m willing to bet the Toyota’s are more AMERICAN made than any of the Big 3s vehicles. You can disagree w/ me & that’s your choice.
 
Could be wrong but I believe there's still a 6' minimum bed length to take full cost deduction under Sec 179. Shorter 5.5' bed F150s are limited to $25k first year w/ remaining under regular depreciation.
 
Hey guys, I’m starting to keep an eye out for a new/used truck. Currently I’m driving a 17 suburban but I think I want a truck again. I doubt it will be brand new, but 2016-2018 is about where I’m looking. Must haves include 4x4, 4 full doors, heated/cooled seats, Bluetooth, and a backup camera. I’ve been looking at the 17-18 GMCs and newer Rams with their little diesel. A friend is a diehard Ford fan so I started looking at those too. Who’s got something along those lines? Good, bad or otherwise?
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If your talking about Dodge eco diesel .I think the three cylinder.....I would rethink that...Son had one with 17,000 miles broken crank they finally took it back under lemon law.....It wasn't the only one either....
 
I'm on my 4th Tacoma.....love them! Never a single issue and drove each to 100K. They all still had original brakes when traded up. Jeep has a New Pickup coming out.....Gladiator. Spring 2019.
 
3.0L, not a 3-cyl... Its a VM Motori engine, split ownership between FCA and GM. I wouldn't recommend a diesel in a half ton ever, other than if you do a TON of highway miles, or tow moderate loads all the time (in those cases, the diesel has advantages). However, those engines have been around a long time, and are known to be extremely reliable (used in medium duty truck in the EU for well over a decade). I've driven a friends EcoDiesel Ram that has over 250K miles on it (highway of course), no issues with the engine or trans, the whole truck has been almost bulletproof (seized caliper is the lone exception).
If your talking about Dodge eco diesel .I think the three cylinder.....I would rethink that...Son had one with 17,000 miles broken crank they finally took it back under lemon law.....It wasn't the only one either....


Regardless... if you're buying the truck outright, and plan to own it more than 5 years/100,000 miles, at least stick with something naturally aspirated (unless you fit into the diesel group above). Turbo's don't last forever, and the engines they power have more issues than an NA motor typically as well (they have more parts, more parts inherently equal less reliable). They do make great power, and with power, comes thirst. The EcoBoost is great on fuel if you stay out of the boost... If you tow anything, or are hard on the throttle, expect mileage worse than just about anything else.

I've driven Ram trucks quite a while now, and my current truck is a Power Wagon. Not fast, not cushy, not good on fuel, but it hasn't given me any problems in 90k miles, and it goes where I point it (locking axles, disconnecting sway bar, and a winch are factory equipment). Its a beast off-road, but still hauls my 14K lb dump trailer when I need it to, which other off-road trucks can't...

If you plan on leasing, buy anything you like, there's no crappy trucks made anymore in terms of quality.

If you're going to buy it, and trade it in 3-5 years down the road, resale can be a concern, so I suggest going with a higher trimline of whatever you get (they depreciate much less than a work truck package). Limited, King Ranch, Longhorn, Denali, etc... More now to spend, but gives you back just as much or more later...
 
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3.0L, not a 3-cyl... Its a VM Motori engine, split ownership between FCA and GM. I wouldn't recommend a diesel in a half ton ever, other than if you do a TON of highway miles, or tow moderate loads all the time (in those cases, the diesel has advantages). However, those engines have been around a long time, and are known to be extremely reliable (used in medium duty truck in the EU for well over a decade). I've driven a friends EcoDiesel Ram that has over 250K miles on it (highway of course), no issues with the engine or trans, the whole truck has been almost bulletproof (seized caliper is the lone exception).



Regardless... if you're buying the truck outright, and plan to own it more than 5 years/100,000 miles, at least stick with something naturally aspirated (unless you fit into the diesel group above). Turbo's don't last forever, and the engines they power have more issues than an NA motor typically as well (they have more parts, more parts inherently equal less reliable). They do make great power, and with power, comes thirst. The EcoBoost is great on fuel if you stay out of the boost... If you tow anything, or are hard on the throttle, expect mileage worse than just about anything else.

I've driven Ram trucks quite a while now, and my current truck is a Power Wagon. Not fast, not cushy, not good on fuel, but it hasn't given me any problems in 90k miles, and it goes where I point it (locking axles, disconnecting sway bar, and a winch are factory equipment). Its a beast off-road, but still hauls my 14K lb dump trailer when I need it to, which other off-road trucks can't...

If you plan on leasing, buy anything you like, there's no crappy trucks made anymore in terms of quality.

If you're going to buy it, and trade it in 3-5 years down the road, resale can be a concern, so I suggest going with a higher trimline of whatever you get (they depreciate much less than a work truck package). Limited, King Ranch, Longhorn, Denali, etc... More now to spend, but gives you back just as much or more later...
Google......Dodge eco broken crankshaft.....
 
The Toyotas have done some amazing things (400k + hard use) out here in the oilfield. Trucks generally get used here. The Fords do pretty well too. I haven’t talked to an owner yet that doesn’t love their new eco boost v6.


JA not a believer, the twin turbos when loaded suck gas and are more expensive and complicated, go 5.0 and never look back. have a couple of bros that have been stranded by them while still under warranty. jmo
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For 6 months I've had a 2016 F150 with 4 full doors, 6.5ft bed, and the turbo V6. That combo is a unicorn and it took some time to find one, but this is the best truck I've ever owned. It has a ton of power compared to the 2003 Dodge Ram 8cyl I traded in for it. Only feature you list it doesn't have is heated seats, that would be up a trim level I believe.

I hated the Ram and will never own another dodge. My father has had a few GM trucks and none of them have impressed me, particularly from the maintenance perspective.
 
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I’ve consistently owned mopars since 2004. I raced 3500 and 4400 class rock racers since 2006. I currently own a 2017 Ram 2500 Mega Cab. I helped Fox Racing build a solid axle Chevy Colorado with an LS3 pushing 480rwhp on 40” K-specks. I’m picking up a 2019 Ford Ranger FX4 in March. The point is, I’m a power nerd. I’ve been involved professionally in the performance side since since “Best in Desert” was a newspaper announcement for anyone who wanted to test their shade tree builds. Now you have to spend $360,000 just to get the parts. I’ve never been involved with Toyota but can tell they are just as American as any brand. Toyota and Nissan built massive city sized production compounds in rural southern areas that had seen oilfield workers laid off by the thousands. That sounds pretty damn Americanto me. People like what they like. And when that’s challenged they will quote third party bullshit stories to justify their hard lined positions behind their preferred brand.
 
My BIL sells Toyota, and I still wouldn't buy one.

Quality of craftsmanship does not compare to the Ford's for the last 15 years almost.

Trading our Suburban on a '19 Expedition Max, and in that segment too Ford is clearly ahead of all others. From quality finish inside and out, room inside, ride and power, you name it.

Throw in the Ecoboost in the half tons it really should be a no-brainer.

From a guy that thought the ecoboost was a joke originally. My 2012 ecoboost Crew 6.5' has been absolutely excellent with 115k currently.

Toyota is riding on the history of making vehicles that would not die. But that was 20 years ago.

Ford is making the highest quality vehicles for the money currently.
 
We have a fleet of Ford F-250/F-350 and Dodge 2500/3500 all diesels. Well we have one Ford F-250 parts truck that is gas. All have been good trucks. Personally I prefer the Ford. The dodges have had some issues with water pumps and the def systems Fords had issues with radiators leaking and turbo hose fittings breaking. We usually put 250,000-350,000 miles on them before replacing.