The have it and not need it is nice but this scope is going to be a killer .22 scope with the parallax and elevation available and in that game having more power helps at times. It can help in centerfire too at times and good to have it and not need it than vise versa as you mentioned.
Yes, frequently. More than once I've hit the range and don't have the tools with me that I thought I did. OR being at a match to discover zero is off a little bit. I LOVE this feature on my Leica scope and my Kahles (not tooless - but the tool is hidden in the illumination cap) Its just nice to be able to adjust turrets without needing tools/extra stuff. BUT this gen 3 definitely looks good. If I was in the market for something with this high of mag I would probably buy it. But I rarely go into the 20x range so I'll just stick with the typical 5-25 stuff.
Yes....
Leica PRS
I’m lucky enough to shoot on our farm. So I don’t have the typical “range bag” because my trips are often short, last minute decisions. If I had to drive to a range and spend the whole day I would definitely have a traditional range bag
What's the point of having an MSRP if street price on day 1 is 25% off...
I think the point still applies with regard to glass - it's 2X the street price of the G2, which is also increasing by ~500? Thinking optimistically, I expect the glass is upgraded on both.
That is a pretty presumptive response considering you don't know what the optics look like in the new Vortex. If it has as good of optical quality at $3000 vs the ZCO or Tangent I think that would be a pretty good deal.
And I bet that the MSRP is what is used for the tax write off for these donations, etc.
Vortex mentions in their video better glass than G2.
My personal opinion but a 3lb 3-18 tactical style is not as desired vs. lighter versions, competition market doesn't care as much about weight. Can I hope for a 2.5-15x44 G3 or a 3.5-21x50 G3 that is around the 30 oz mark
I hope you're right that they do have something else planned to fill the niche.If you are being serious, Vortex still lists the glass as "HD" but that really doesn't mean much, there are some very poor optics that advertise ED and some very excellent optics that advertise HD. What matters is how the glass actually performs in the field.
To be fair, the Tangent Theta has the best toolless design IMHO and it is convenient. Do all scopes need to be toolless, that would be nice but not necessary - I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it is more expensive to make a good toolless design, so any company looking to make the product more cost effective is probably going to toss that idea out pretty quick. That said, what I do like about the new L-TEC+ is the exposed infinite adjustment plate on top - for my switch barrel AI here's what I'm thinking, I can take a marker and identify the zero for each barrel (on both elev and wind plates), that way, when I swap a barrel I already have an indication of where it needs to be set.
Agreed, huge market for rimfire competition crowd, that's really where I see the high magnification (30x+) optics shining as atmospherics and high magnification often do not play nicely with long range.
Looks like 500 bucks? So 26-29% depending on where you were sourcing it from... That's way too steep.
Fair point - I see the MSRP on the SE changed, about 12.5%... I dont pay attention to the Viper line, did those MSRP's change?
Yep, hence my post. But if its not inflation, but rather to try to push people to the Gen 3 - their other lineup probably wouldnt change... or at least not nearly as much.
Inflation was brought up in regards to the Gen 2, and its price increase. Its an 8 year old scope - pretty sure we have a good idea what its all about.
Back to the drawing board Vortex. This guy says so.
Decrease in the purchasing power of money is inflation - if a consumer used to be able to buy 1 Razor G2 for 1800, and can now only buy .72 of a G2 Razor for 1800 - that is inflation. The reason for the debasement of said purchasing power contains too many variables to discuss.
The reason I said moot (other than availability of equivalent choice) is because the scope is an unnecessary luxury. But I admit your peepee is as glorious as my own (no homo).No, I wasnt. I was commenting as a consumer - and where it now lands the G2 in relation to its competition as an 8 yr old design. That is how I phrased the discussion from the get-go.
Point made. Inflationary effects obviously are still a factor - but point made and that is very true this is certainly a luxury item. Plus I agree with your other point, and its the one I was trying to make and re-stated above.It is when money is free (mmt)!
