Rifle Scopes New Razor????
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I must be the only one who was never bothered by the Gen2 Razor zeroing process.
That having been said, the Gen3 is a notable improvement. Really nice turrets.
ILya
That having been said, the Gen3 is a notable improvement. Really nice turrets.
ILya
We are definitely a fan...
Get your orders in now, our shipment is on the way!!! https://www.cstactical.com/vortex-razor-hd-gen-iii-6-36x56-ffp
He did a live stream earlier today, not on YT but can view it on his locals page, can sign up for free and view the video.
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I am looking forward to reading your review on this. Is there any chance that you might be able to compare it to the upcoming ZCO 8-40 once any potential NDA has been lifted?
I think the zero process on a G2 is super simple. If 3 Allen screws are a big deal maybe those folks should take up computer checkers.
It is still early, but it definitely belongs in that conversation. Nightforce and Kahles should be worried and more than a little. ZCO should not be overlooking it either.
ILya
I have not laid eyes on the 8-40x ZCO and the way it is going I can not accept any more scopes for review for a few months at least.
ILya
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Bro, you’ve been wrong so many times. Plz stop
The 3k price is lower then I thought they would be honestly. If it's any sort of upgrade from the G2 optically, they aren't going to keep these things on the shelf very long.
Anyone that doesn't like the color can have @CSTactical cerakote it. They do amazing work with cerakote. They have done a few ZCOs, Schmidt, and a Kahles for me. All came out perfect. If I get one of these G3s that's what I'll be doing.
Anyone that doesn't like the color can have @CSTactical cerakote it. They do amazing work with cerakote. They have done a few ZCOs, Schmidt, and a Kahles for me. All came out perfect. If I get one of these G3s that's what I'll be doing.
This is what I did with the tangents I had. Tho I documented the info in my phone as I did not want to mark up the turrets.
Definite upgrade glass wise, very easy to zero/stop. Great all around.
After that and watching Ilyas live stream I ordered one
Nothing to do with inflation? Are you kidding? What planet have you been living on for the past year?
All kidding aside, are their really consumers out there oblivious to what has happened to the supply chain over the past two years? I have seen my costs for materials jump from 30 - 110 % and that’s when I can get product and raw materials……
Nothing to do with inflation? Are you kidding? What planet have you been living on for the past year?
All kidding aside, are their really consumers out there oblivious to what has happened to the supply chain over the past two years? I have seen my costs for materials jump from 30 - 110 % and that’s when I can get product and raw materials……
I know there is inflation and quite a bit of it. But, the cost of an 8 year old scope didn't go up 25% only because of inflation when the remainder of their line only increased around 10% and the 3-18 G2 is being blown out for 1300. It only makes sense to bump the cost of the G2 up, they'll probably get a handful of people to look at the differences and pay the extra $500 for a G3.
Math is hard……
I just raised a product 25%. My cost when up 50%. It has been my best seller for 20 years.
Some products I have not raised yet. Others I have raised more to make up for the deficit on the above product.
The global supply chain is screwed right now. Consumers need to get their head out of their proverbial arses and realize that 2022 is the year they are likely to see this passed on in a big way.
If something has not gone up, count your lucky stars rather than thinking 1+2=3. Some products may just have existing stock that is being sold off before a price increase.
Or maybe, just maybe they don't want people buying an 8 year old product instead of their brand new hotness.
Or maybe just maybe, it's a combination of both.
Or maybe just maybe, it's a combination of both.
It is always a combination of different things. I am sure Vortex wants people to buy the new scope, but there is a reason they are not discontinuing Gen2. It is still a great scope and they know how to make it consistently.
The costs have definitely gone up and they have gone up on everything, not just materials: manufacturing, shipping costs, etc. It all adds up.
Once direct costs are accounted for, they still need to make some sort of a profit on it: that is what pays everyone's salaries and funds R&D.
Fundamentally though, the price is set by the market. No matter what Vortex wants to get paid, if the price is not competitive, sales will go down and they will have to adjust.
Personally, I think the prices on Gen2 and Gen3 Razors are fairly reasonable given the market conditions and competing product prices, but time will tell.
ILya
The costs have definitely gone up and they have gone up on everything, not just materials: manufacturing, shipping costs, etc. It all adds up.
Once direct costs are accounted for, they still need to make some sort of a profit on it: that is what pays everyone's salaries and funds R&D.
Fundamentally though, the price is set by the market. No matter what Vortex wants to get paid, if the price is not competitive, sales will go down and they will have to adjust.
Personally, I think the prices on Gen2 and Gen3 Razors are fairly reasonable given the market conditions and competing product prices, but time will tell.
ILya
But in the other side of that is really smart to drop a $3k scope in this market? I get that it cost more inflation supply chain etc, timing is really important, and why said earlier that the other 6-36x56 scopes with Japanese glass will take buyers or make them think do I REALLY need these features for an extra $1200….Nothing to do with inflation? Are you kidding? What planet have you been living on for the past year?
All kidding aside, are their really consumers out there oblivious to what has happened to the supply chain over the past two years? I have seen my costs for materials jump from 30 - 110 % and that’s when I can get product and raw materials……
That depends on how you look at it and, ultimately, the market will decide.
I suspect they will not be able to keep it in stock for a year or two, but if I am wrong they'll have to drop the price.
ILya
I think the G3 is going to be a smash hit. I don't know how the G2 will do up against the G3 for $500 more or the Mk5 for $500 less.
Time and the consumers will tell.
Time and the consumers will tell.
I bet Vortex sells the hell out of this scope. I like the new turrets, and the way it zeros. I had Gen 2 that I thought was a lot of scope for the money. I liked the way you zeroed it. To my eyes it had better glass than a MK 5 3.6-18.
Mark5 with the PR2 and PR1 reticles is definitely a very strong contender especially if you do not care about reticle illumination. That keeps the price down quite a lot.
It is entirely possible that if Leupold keeps the price of the Mark 5 steady, Vortex' price increases will help their market share.
This whole dynamic between Razor, Mark 5 and ATACR is really interesting. ATACR is in a somewhat different price category and they have probably the most dedicated fanboys (easily one of the most successful marketing campaigns) of any brand, but this should put a good bit of pressure on them. Razor Gen3 is coming just after Leupold finally got their reticle situation squared away, so we now have Mark 5 5-25x56 and 7-35x56, ATACR 5-25x56 and 7-35x56, Razor Gen3 6-36x56 and a couple of others really going after the same buyer. Add Leica PRS 5-30x56 and US Optics FDN25x hovering near there as well.
The dark horse is Burris, of course, and with all the people hinting that Burris is about to release something, I would not be surprised if it is something relevant to this category.
I am going to have all sorts of fun with this.
ILya
Koshkin's livestream and Bill's quick thoughts on it pushed me to buy it for a 22LR. If it turns out to be a disappointment I can sell it without loosing my shirt and then buy a ZCO 8-40.
I like the new EBR-7D reticle. They cleaned the 7C reticle up quite a bit, it was unnecessarily busy. Much cleaner lines now. It may be on par with Leupold's PR2 reticle (my favorite). And I agree, they're gonna sell plenty of these. Hopefully the glass is on par with the mid-top tier scopes. I'll be interested to see how it stacks up with the 7-35 MK5 at about $1k more
I don't mind the brown color but Vortex is just stupid for not offering razors in black. They've got to miss out on a lot of sales due to their loyalty to that color. It can make a sexy rifle ugly.
I don't mind the brown color but Vortex is just stupid for not offering razors in black. They've got to miss out on a lot of sales due to their loyalty to that color. It can make a sexy rifle ugly.
I just pinged Burris folks about that scope. I have not seen the final version, so I can't form too many opinions. I liked the prototype enough to add it to my schedule.
ILya
Meh I bet they sell way more than they lose out on because of it.
Hey @koshkin
I havnt seen you mention them yet, but have you gotten any hands on with the new Bushnell DMR3/XRS3 and how they stack against the other scopes you mentioned?
I have not. I reached out to the Bushnell contact I have a couple of times, but no luck.
ILya
Now that the Razor Gen3 is here, it is going to be really interesting how this whole pecking order stacks up. I think Burris is doing a lot of good things with this one, but the proof is in the pudding. Both Burris and Vortex have to be able to make these consistently and in significant quantities. The market is definitely there.
ILya
We have a large shipment of Razor Gen III 6-36 coming in a few days, we have a handful left unsold 
Vortex Razor Gen III 6-36 pre-sale!
Vortex Razor Gen III 6-36 pre-sale!
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And yet TT is charging people an extra $200 to get that color. LOL
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ETA waiting for the "but they offer it in black too" comments. LOL
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ETA waiting for the "but they offer it in black too" comments. LOL
But they offer it in black tooAnd yet TT is charging people an extra $200 to get that color. LOL
The New Tangent Theta 5-25x56
We are honored to be the first to announce the new Tangent Theta 5-25x56, anodized Coyote Brown! Pre-Orders available. $5,412. First scopes will be shipping within a few weeks. Call today to secure your scope! 605-554-1911 ----------- Follow on Instagram Subscribe on YouTube
ETA waiting for the "but they offer it in black too" comments. LOL
Somehow I don't think Vortex cares if a few people don't buy it because of the color.
$5500! Holy shitake!And yet TT is charging people an extra $200 to get that color. LOL
The New Tangent Theta 5-25x56
We are honored to be the first to announce the new Tangent Theta 5-25x56, anodized Coyote Brown! Pre-Orders available. $5,412. First scopes will be shipping within a few weeks. Call today to secure your scope! 605-554-1911 ----------- Follow on Instagram Subscribe on YouTube
ETA waiting for the "but they offer it in black too" comments. LOL
