If anyone wants me to shoot their bullets for them I'll gladly do it as well. I'll most likely need powder and primers too, just to be clear. Brass is probably a good idea, as well as barrels and maybe some gas money. Fair deal I'd say!
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Here’s to hoping that happens to me. I ordered mine in January 22nd500 showed up today, never got a tracking number
Just talked with the folks at Sierra they are recommending a coal of 2.850" for the 169 if that helps anyone out.
Do with it what you will... that's all the information they would give me... Thanks for stating the obvious though my man you're the bestLol.. For what? For what chamber? Thats jammed hard in an AR.... Thats varying distances off the lands in numerous different .308 chambers..... So without any info or context this means nothing
Do with it what you will... that's all the information they would give me... Thanks for stating the obvious though my man you're the best
Wasn't trying to get anywhere my friend, was just stating what little information they gave me... As for the rest of your post it was completely uncalled for, but hey that's cool it's the internet. I appreciate you posting your knowledge, I'm currently doing the same thing you are but have been unable to test because it's been raining a solid week here. if you feel like my post was an attack at you in some way I apologize for that, but as I said my post was not directed at you in any kind of way. I'm here to learn and help where I can, not start arguments.Lol. You join this site and come post info with zero important information needed to put your post in context then want to get but hurt and flap at the gums. Stay a while, read, learn a little, know who you're talking to and their experience. You'll get a lot farther around here.
Got the initial OCW loaded up and shot today at 100yd with IMR4064. I tested the 175 SMK and 175 TMK's over IMR 4064 in this same brass a few months ago out of this same gun. My initial thoughts.... one weird OCW. Either it really hates this powder, which I find odd since every other 308 Sierra shoots lights out with.... or it really hates this seating depth.
Nice flat spot between 42.6 and 42.8gr with identical velocity and SD.. One shot tight, but that 42.8 has vertical stringing.. I didnt have any pressure on any of these loads. No ejector marks or flat primers.
24" Krieger 4G 1:11.25
.308 Bisley chamber
240rd down barrel
2x Lapua .308 SRP brass
CCI 450
IMR 4064
XLR Envy JV Comptetion
MDT Cyke Pod
Prone with Rear bag
Loaded 0.015" off lands
Just to give you an idea of what Dom is getting at, Sierra ballisticians normally will tell you an OAL for a bullet based on different chamberings. If you call them back, be sure they know what chamber is cut in your rifle. Like Dom, I have a couple different 308 chamberings. My AIAX has 175SMKs touching the lands 0.036" shorter than in my Proof-barreled Mega Maten AR. I haven't measured the 169 lengths in either rifle, but the closest bullet to this for lengths is the 168TMK and my Mega is magazine length limited with that bullet to 2.850" (KAC mags) while the AX would run the 168TMK at 2.950" to be .015" off the lands.Wasn't trying to get anywhere my friend, was just stating what little information they gave me... As for the rest of your post it was completely uncalled for, but hey that's cool it's the internet. I appreciate you posting your knowledge, I'm currently doing the same thing you are but have been unable to test because it's been raining a solid week here. if you feel like my post was an attack at you in some way I apologize for that, but as I said my post was not directed at you in any kind of way. I'm here to learn and help where I can, not start arguments.
Velocity looks about right for that charge. I was running 42.2 of 4064 under a 175 in my Maten (20" Proof) for 2550fps on a 90F day. Same barrel, same day put FGMM168 out at 2575 and FGMM175 at 2550. 42.5gr of 8208 under the 168TMK for 2735fps on the same day in my AIAX 22" (2.175" BTO) that shoots FGMM175 at 2650.
What bullet is the Bisley chamber throated for? 155SMK? 145RG?
Thanks for the information I greatly appreciate it.Just to give you an idea of what Dom is getting at, Sierra ballisticians normally will tell you an OAL for a bullet based on different chamberings. If you call them back, be sure they know what chamber is cut in your rifle. Like Dom, I have a couple different 308 chamberings. My AIAX has 175SMKs touching the lands 0.036" shorter than in my Proof-barreled Mega Maten AR. I haven't measured the 169 lengths in either rifle, but the closest bullet to this for lengths is the 168TMK and my Mega is magazine length limited with that bullet to 2.850" (KAC mags) while the AX would run the 168TMK at 2.950" to be .015" off the lands.
Yep velocity is where it should be. The group consistency is odd compared to all my 175 smk and 175 tmk testing.
Here some info on the Bisley chamber. It's shot excellent for me in both a Bartlein 5R and this Krieger 4G..
Hmmm ... IIRC, the 95 Palma chamber was cut for the 2155. Wonder if the Bisley is more geared to the 2156? 0.050" of additional freebore is ALOT. As you can see, it's only 0.016" away from the notorious "Lawyer-leade" in the R700 chambering.
i dont know they were waiting for me when i got home from work.@eddie102870 What carrier delivered them?
The Krieger has a .308 Bisley chamber done by Keystone Accuracy.
Here are some COAL numbers to lands in this chamber for comparison.
175 SMK: 2.789"
Interesting. I just got a Krieger barrel back from Keystone, also chambered with his Bisley reamer. My 175 numbers are about .020" greater than yours.
Just got back from the range. I ran a seating depth test from just touching to .036" off in .005" increments... will post shortly
I also loaded up the last 10 pieces of brass left after loading the seating depth test so I could check dope to 700yd...
Velocity with 42.6gr was 2700 on the chrono today, low single digit SD's.. 45F, 63% Humidity... 5.2mil to 700yd...not bad
100yd Seating Depth Test
Starting .026" off (compressed load to .001" lands (not compressed)
This is very interesting. The SMK is notorious for being not only jump-tolerant, but also prefers a slight jump. This bullet, in your chamber/barrel, seems to prefer being closer to the lands. Do you think that is the case or the higher velocity is the root cause? Maybe a combination?
Kind of like their 200gr SMK. I wonder if they scaled that 300WM bullet down for a 308?I personally think its a result of the sleeker, more secant ogive design. The new 169smk bullet looks nothing like the short, fat, tangent ogive SMK's we have been used to. Its long as hell, sleek and pointy..... The good news with this is, you can get more powder in the case without any pressure loaded out this long... That shortest seating depth test posted above was compressed (2.85" COAL) with 42.6gr. You arent seating much deeper with that charge, you would have to back your powder charge down to seat them deeper so this is definitely not comparable to your typical 2.80-2.81 168 and 175 smk loads.. They loved to jump a mile.
Was thinking the same thing when I opened the box on my first batchKind of like their 200gr SMK. I wonder if they scaled that 300WM bullet down for a 308?
Kind of like their 200gr SMK. I wonder if they scaled that 300WM bullet down for a 308?
They mentioned that the tip is closed point as well, and looks it from the images I have seen. Kind of like and RDF perhaps. I think it will behave similarly to the RDFs actually. I have some 168 and 175 RDF to compare it to whenever they ship me my damn boolits. I don’t need a damn label on my box just send ‘em already!!!
Tips are similar to the 175/168s in that regard however the hole is 1/2 the size on average. 169 on the left, 175 on the right.That’s what I meant, the hollow point being closed down. Not fully enclosed like a fmj.