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I quickly scanned the thread and didn't notice mention of the bolt release being removable. Can yo remove the bolt release for 700 clones?
Yup.
Anyone know the difference between the CE and the CE-16 models?
Just got my CE installed last night and honestly impressed the heck out of me. I'm a long time "use the stock trigger" guy and the only creep I know is that song by Radiohead so take my review for what its worth. Had to do a little deviation from the supplied instructions as the bolt release was stopping the pin from coming out. That's all I know.
There are two screws on the front for trigger pull adjustment so I just picked the bottom one to adjust pull and it worked I think. Sent a message to timney to verify that the bottom one is the adjustment or both?
Ordered from Mark at "On the Mark tactical" and would order from him again!!!!! FAST shipping and absolute great customer service. Called him up and he answered after hours and talked me into this trigger. I'm a fan. Heres the link: On the Mark-Everything for the Marksman!
Thanks Mark.
Did you get a response from Timney? What was your trigger pull weight out of the box?
Thanks
I did get a response. They said the bottom screw is the adjustable part. They did not tell me what the above screw does although I thought they would offer that.
I do not have a trigger pull weight tester thing but I can tell you that it was light. I could touch the trigger and just about put a little pressure and it would break. I'm use to very heavy stock triggers so I turned it up to more resistance. I wish I could be more help. I had planned on taking a few photos for you all if that would help.
Just an update:
While shooting the first day of the New Mexico match today there were 4 rifles that I know of (mine included) that went down with these triggers in them. This was due to dirt/debris. Now, keep in mind these were very harsh conditions, the worst I've ever shot in. A 25-35 mph mini sandstorm......All day. Even blasting them out numerous times with brake/parts cleaner, they still wouldn't work in these conditions. I'm not saying its a bad trigger. I really like mine. Just letting everyone know what took place today. Myself and one other guy tore I rifles down at lunch and put our backup Jewel triggers in. We will see how they hold up tomorrow.
Just an update:
While shooting the first day of the New Mexico match today there were 4 rifles that I know of (mine included) that went down with these triggers in them. This was due to dirt/debris. Now, keep in mind these were very harsh conditions, the worst I've ever shot in. A 25-35 mph mini sandstorm......All day. Even blasting them out numerous times with brake/parts cleaner, they still wouldn't work in these conditions. I'm not saying its a bad trigger. I really like mine. Just letting everyone know what took place today. Myself and one other guy tore I rifles down at lunch and put our backup Jewel triggers in. We will see how they hold up tomorrow.
I can't speak to the recents issues with dirt causing failure, but after my first range day I can say they come extremely light. I generall shoot 1-3/4 to 2-1/2 lb triggers on my other bolt guns. This thing really doesn't even allow for you to rest your finger on the trigger prior to shooting. Awesome that it can go that light, but for a target/hunting rig I will be adjusting mine heavier. Not sure what pull wight they come. It seems 1 lb or less; likely less. Anyone know for sure?
Factory setting is 6-8oz. You can adjust it up to a little over 1lb.
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I'd wait before buying one. Sounds like literally every one of these that was at the New Mexico Match failed......still waiting to hear the full story....but it sounds like its worse than a jewel and a piece of shit in anything other than perfect conditions.
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I know of one other one that went down today, so that makes 5 total just that I'm aware of. Could be more. There were 70 shooters and I obviously didnt speak to all of them. I'm not going to call the trigger a piece of shit, but they did fail. However keep in mind these were insane conditions, atleast in the opinion of someone from Oklahoma. It was like shooting inside a sand blasting cabinet for 2 days. We would shoot the stage and then have to immediately wrap a towel or trash bag around our actions to keep as much sand out of them as possible. We went thru several cans of lighter fluid and parts cleaner just to keep the guns running yesterday. We had to buy more last night. These are conditions that most guys will never shoot in. So for the average joe hitting the range once a month, these triggers will most likely be fine.
As soon as I get home and clean mine out and check it for function, it'll be for sale. I'll go back to shooting a Jackson.
How did Jewell triggers hold up under those same conditions?
However keep in mind these were insane conditions, atleast in the opinion of someone from Oklahoma. It was like shooting inside a sand blasting cabinet for 2 days. We would shoot the stage and then have to immediately wrap a towel or trash bag around our actions to keep as much sand out of them as possible.
Seems like they have some conflicting information. The U sear models have the equivalent pin fall as a factory Remington which possibly means the Elite model available now will have less effective pin fall than a Remington or Jewell. Most all clones (with very few exceptions, a run of Lawton 7000's comes to mind) have the trigger pin holes in the same location as a Remington so I don't know why this has persisted that everyone with a clone needs a special longer sear and a factory Remington should use the short sear. If you want to stay with the Remington designed pin fall and use a Timney trigger you should use a U length sear regardless of factory or clone. IMO they should be done with it and sell only the U equivalent sear. I've said it before but the only advantage to a shorter sear is a nicer feeling bolt close (ie: less cock on close) with the accompanying reduction in pin fall.
Forgive me if I'm not explaining this correctly, but this is from memory from was what I was told by Timney when I had a problem with a clone action.
People needed the longer sear because of the design of the actions. The Remington firing pin is larger, protrudes, more, etc. The Design of the Timney trigger with a shorter sear was to help reduce protrusion and get a smooth, consistent trigger pull. This makes for more consistent firing pin strikes on Remington actions.
On the "clone" actions, the builders designed the action to eliminate the flaw with the Remington 700 design, but still function with 700 triggers. They did this by changing the design firing pin and the cocking piece. This helps with more consistent ignition using the original Remington trigger.
The problem comes when Timney and clone makers both sought to eliminate the same problem, but in a different way. It so happens that when you combine the two, you get light firing pin strikes sometimes. I had this problem myself and it went away with a factory trigger. However, I liked the Timney better, so I called Timney. Then they explained this too me and told me they would send me a longer sear to install. I was having a "dud" every 5-10 rounds. However, they would go bang in my AI AX just fine after having been misfired in the custom action. I installed the sear and the problems in the clone action went away.