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Keep an eye out at Front Range Precision. There are also 26” M24 prefits here:I contacted Zermatt Arms and asked which trigger is more compatible with the Origin Action. Ray Heusinkvelt says that the TriggerTech seems to go on with less work. He said that the Timney Triggers tend to need the ignition system fine tuned.
I think that as a newbie I'm going to go with a TriggerTech. I think that I'm going to go with the Rem 700 Special. The adjustment is from 1-3.5#, which is about where I am on one of my ARs, 3.5#, down to 1#.
I have months before I get my barrel, so I have time to research and possibly get to try one out. I keep hoping to try some rifles soon.
BTW, I put in an order at Altus Shooting Solutions for a Proof Research barrel, but, got an email that stated that they didn't know when they will get any more.
I checked out the Front Range Precision website and he doesn't currently have any prefit barrels in 6.5 Creedmoor. I'll keep checking.@Front Range Precision is a good dude & usually has all you’re looking for in stock.
Only a tl3 short action is different (since they accommodate the aw mag cut)Keep an eye out at Front Range Precision. There are also 26” M24 prefits here:
But the ordering drop down at that PVA link lumps Origin and TL3 prefits together, I thought they headspaced 0.100” different (the Origin tenon is longer). @bohem Am I wrong on that?
Got it, so there don’t appear to be TL3 SA options available right now. Good catch.Only a tl3 short action is different (since they accommodate the aw mag cut)
All other origins and the long action tl3 have the same tenon.
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You are, in fact, overthinking this, yes. HahaY'all are going to have to forgive me, or maybe not, but I am still kinda stuck on this pinned recoil lug thing.
I'm trying to remember the article I read that was talking about how a pinned recoil lug can cause a problem. The article retells a story that is from a Marine Corps sniper. He says that, when firing an M40A3 sniper rifle, he fired a round that resulted in a chamber overpressure. I don't remember exactly what he said happened, but he said that the action somehow came loose from the stock and that instead of the recoil lug engaging the stock and keeping the action from flying backwards, it came loose and the action ended up slamming into his jaw, almost knocking him out. Apparently, the M40A3 has a pinned recoil lug.
Now, I realize I may be, okay, probably am, overthinking this. However, I can see where having a recoil lug that is not an integrated part of the action could possibly, in an albeit rare circumstance, cause a problem. Unless I am totally off basis here and don't understand the difference between a pinned and integrated recoil lug.
Isn't a pinned recoil lug a separate piece from the action that is placed at the front of the action and the pin aligns the lug to the action as the barrel is being put on? The barrel holds the recoil lug on.
Isn't an integrated recoil lug one that is a part of the same piece of metal as the action or possibly threaded on?
I have done some more research, oh no, and I have found that there is at least one manufacturer that produces an action that is along the same priceline as the Origin, but, it has an integrated locking lug. It's the Defiance Tenacity Short Action.
Is the Defiance action on par with the quality of the Origin? If not, then I'll stick to the Origin. If it is, wouldn't it be worth the piece of mind to get the Defiance action?
Quit listening to retards telling stories and filing it away in your memory as fact, youll be much better off.I'm trying to remember the article I read that was talking about how a pinned recoil lug can cause a problem. The article retells a story that is from a Marine Corps sniper. He says that, when firing an M40A3 sniper rifle, he fired a round that resulted in a chamber overpressure. I don't remember exactly what he said happened, but he said that the action somehow came loose from the stock and that instead of the recoil lug engaging the stock and keeping the action from flying backwards, it came loose and the action ended up slamming into his jaw, almost knocking him out. Apparently, the M40A3 has a pinned recoil lug.
Y'all are going to have to forgive me, or maybe not, but I am still kinda stuck on this pinned recoil lug thing. This is one of those things I mentioned early on about preferences. That search for the "perfect" product or combo of products starts with a single thought in the head. Could this be better? Could that be better? What if this? What if that?
I'm trying to remember the article I read that was talking about how a pinned recoil lug can cause a problem. The article retells a story that is from a Marine Corps sniper. He says that, when firing an M40A3 sniper rifle, he fired a round that resulted in a chamber overpressure. I don't remember exactly what he said happened, but he said that the action somehow came loose from the stock and that instead of the recoil lug engaging the stock and keeping the action from flying backwards, it came loose and the action ended up slamming into his jaw, almost knocking him out. Apparently, the M40A3 has a pinned recoil lug. The cause of the chamber overpressure was a bigger problem than the pinned recoil lug. Not all catastrophic failures will present itself the same way. You can have everything grenade into your face or you could escape unharmed with your barrel splitting into "flower petals." Example of I believe a Defiance Ruckus (with non-integral recoil lug) with action screw holding the receiver in the chassis.
Now, I realize I may be, okay, probably am, overthinking this. However, I can see where having a recoil lug that is not an integrated part of the action could possibly, in an albeit rare circumstance, cause a problem. Unless I am totally off basis here and don't understand the difference between a pinned and integrated recoil lug. You are.
Isn't a pinned recoil lug a separate piece from the action that is placed at the front of the action and the pin aligns the lug to the action as the barrel is being put on? Yes. The barrel holds the recoil lug on. Yes. Barrel lug also sits inside the corresponding recoil lug recess inside a stock or chassis.
Isn't an integrated recoil lug one that is a part of the same piece of metal as the action or possibly threaded on? Yes; machined as part of the receiver.
I have done some more research, oh no, and I have found that there is at least one manufacturer that produces an action that is along the same priceline as the Origin, but, it has an integrated locking lug. It's the Defiance Tenacity Short Action. Another one around that same sort of $1k price point you might want to look into is the American Rifle Company Nucleus Gen 2.
Is the Defiance action on par with the quality of the Origin? If not, then I'll stick to the Origin. If it is, wouldn't it be worth the piece of mind to get the Defiance action?
They're both quality actions. One of the benefits the Origin has over the Defiance is the interchangeable bolt heads with different bolt face diameters (for different calibers that require it) which are more affordable than an fully extra bolt (with different bolt face diameter) from Defiance.
I thought they switched the "new" new Gen 2s to integral recoil lug with the new right side bolt release? Website error or perhaps I'm mistaken. Could've sworn I saw it in a video too.@Evintos The only reason I didn't mention the Nucleus is because it also has a non-integral recoil lug, but it's a great action too.
Interesting, I pulled up ARC’s site before I replied to your post, it still says keyed lug. Maybe it hasn’t been updated, couldn’t say.I thought they switched the "new" new Gen 2s to integral recoil lug with the new right side bolt release? Website error or perhaps I'm mistaken. Could've sworn I saw it in a video too.
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Just remembered where I saw the info about the Nuke integral recoil lug now; it was in the ARC Black Friday thread.Interesting, I pulled up ARC’s site before I replied to your post, it still says keyed lug. Maybe it hasn’t been updated, couldn’t say.
Oh nice, good find.Just remembered where I saw the info about the Nuke integral recoil lug now; it was in the ARC Black Friday thread.
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I started out with a CA Mesa in 300 Win Mag. Some learning curve for my first bolt but it was fun learning.Hope that I'm not kicking a dead mule, but, if you were getting your first bolt gun again, what would you get? Any other advice is also welcome.
To let you know, I am considering something out of the box to begin with, until I know what is what. I am enamored with the thought of a Bergara and its Spanish barrel, but I am also very impressed with the Daniel Defense Delta 5.
I am pretty much an AR guy right now, but just shooting sub-MOA is getting old, and so am I. I have one of my ARs set up for .224 Valkyrie. It shoots sub-MOA almost every 5 shot group at one hundred yards, with the occasional flinger. Thus far, I've only taken it out to 500 yards with the same results. So, I think that I'm better than just sub-MOA. I'm thinking under .5 MOA. In my younger days I could hit a silhouette target 10 out of 10 times with iron sights at 500 yards. Yes, I haven't done that in over 30 years, but I think that I still have the chops.
I hope that after this short spiel I have some excited members out there that are willing to share their advice.