Official (DTA) SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

[Precision Underground]

Alright y’all got me. I’ve never been into DT but I saw an old school Gen 1 with the quad rail and ladders and loved the look. I was advised not to buy a Gen 1 so I ended up with a M2 and Mlok rails to make a throw back of sorts.

One thing I’ve realized is I think I need to make a SRS specific rear bag that’s super flat bc the foot on the stock is really low. Even our mini bag is too tall for my bipod height. I’ll make one and we’ll call it….the pancake.

 

[DirtyDirty130]

Alright y’all got me. I’ve never been into DT but I saw an old school Gen 1 with the quad rail and ladders and loved the look. I was advised not to buy a Gen 1 so I ended up with a M2 and Mlok rails to make a throw back of sorts.

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One thing I’ve realized is I think I need to make a SRS specific rear bag that’s super flat bc the foot on the stock is really low. Even our mini bag is too tall for my bipod height. I’ll make one and we’ll call it….the pancake.

I like the way you did your safe room walls!
Looks classier than slat wall.

 

[PB&J.]

What soft case do you guys recomend for the SRS? I currently have an 18” barrel with a 9” can on it. I saw the soft case that DTA has but it looks too short to leave my can on. I have no interest in unscrewing my can every time it goes in the bag. I think a 42” or 46” would work.

Desert Tech do a soft case for both the Covert and A1/A2, were you looking at the right bag?

Your 18" barrel + 9" can puts you around equivalent to a 26" barrel with a brake (give or take). I can't imagine one of DTA's A2's with DTA's 26" barrel and brake combo wouldn't fit in the correct DTA soft case, but stranger things have happened.

I have an A2 soft case in transit right now, due to be delivered by the end of the week or early next week. If no one can give you an answer before then I'll take a few measurements for you.

 

[pinhead]

Here’s the DT Soft Case with a 19” barrel and a 7” can. I measured a little more than 2” to spare so the shooting mat would fold over and close. Looks like you would have an inch to spare if you wanted to use the soft case and keep the suppressor attached.

 

[spamassassin]

What soft case do you guys recomend for the SRS? I currently have an 18” barrel with a 9” can on it. I saw the soft case that DTA has but it looks too short to leave my can on. I have no interest in unscrewing my can every time it goes in the bag. I think a 42” or 46” would work.

There's a pocket in the DT soft case to contain a suppressor. Of course, diameter could be an issue. Length could be too but I think that matters less to the question. I have made a number of observations about the internal configuration of the DT soft case with respect to the pockets (seems the quantity and size of the pockets was not given much thought) but I still use the thing when it want to be able to backpack or briefcase carry without having to fuck around much. For the most part my soft case serves as the lid foam for my hard case, ala AI ASR/Rem PSR/etc... deployment kits. Truth be told, I used the way those deployment kits were put together as something of a roadmap to how I set up my hard cases.

 

[Georgedubya]

Is the trigger on the SRSM2 the same as that on the A2? Thinking about adding an M2 to the family. DT publishes slightly different numbers on pull weight. Thanks

 

[Dogtown]

As far as I can tell, the only difference between an M2 and an A2 is the top rail and handguard.

 

[ChadL]

As far as I can tell, the only difference between an M2 and an A2 is the top rail and handguard.

There were some other subtle differences as well....mostly centered around weight reduction. In addition to the above they also eliminated the monopod. I think they made some changes to the trigger, but can't recall what those were off the top of my head.

 

[Dogtown]

My M2 arrived about six months ago with a monopod and a 40MOA rail. Apparently they've moved to a 30MOA now, but I only have a Gen 1 to compare the trigger against. The Gen 1 trigger is highly adjustable (weight, creep, length of pull?) and you can tweak the weight directly by using a 2mm(?) hex wrench passed through the trigger guard, but the M2 (and I would kind of assume the A2 as well) is really only adjustable for weight and you have to take the skins off to adjust it because that particular screw is now on the front of the trigger assembly. Kind of weird if you ask me...

 

[wade2big]

My M2 arrived about six months ago with a monopod and a 40MOA rail. Apparently they've moved to a 30MOA now, but I only have a Gen 1 to compare the trigger against. The Gen 1 trigger is highly adjustable (weight, creep, length of pull?) and you can tweak the weight directly by using a 2mm(?) hex wrench passed through the trigger guard, but the M2 (and I would kind of assume the A2 as well) is really only adjustable for weight and you have to take the skins off to adjust it because that particular screw is now on the front of the trigger assembly. Kind of weird if you ask me...

How is the trigger? Any creep? My A1 trigger sucked until I did the Quick trigger job on it. That turned it into a nice crisp trigger. Before that it had a mile of creep.

 

[Dogtown]

If my Gen 1 is like an AK trigger, the M2 is like an AR trigger (just the difference in smoothness and overall travel). The M2 trigger feels like there's almost no creep and while it breaks nicely, it's a bit jarring going from one to the other.

 

[wade2big]

If my Gen 1 is like an AK trigger, the M2 is like an AR trigger (just the difference in smoothness and overall travel). The M2 trigger feels like there's almost no creep and while it breaks nicely, it's a bit jarring going from one to the other.

Make that AK trigger (a good way to describe it) a different animal in 15minutes and a small flat file. Nice to know the newer triggers come good to go.

 

[Dogtown]

I've had it for 13 years at this point - I'm used to the way it is. It's nothing like the long long take-up on an AI trigger, but it's fine for me.

 

[spamassassin]

My M2 arrived about six months ago with a monopod and a 40MOA rail. Apparently they've moved to a 30MOA now, but I only have a Gen 1 to compare the trigger against. The Gen 1 trigger is highly adjustable (weight, creep, length of pull?) and you can tweak the weight directly by using a 2mm(?) hex wrench passed through the trigger guard, but the M2 (and I would kind of assume the A2 as well) is really only adjustable for weight and you have to take the skins off to adjust it because that particular screw is now on the front of the trigger assembly. Kind of weird if you ask me...

Could you do me a huge favor and get a measurement on the back end of your rail for how high it comes off the receiver? I got mine at the same time and I'm honestly not certain about the angle. I don't think it's 40, pretty sure it's 30moa but I can't rightly tell thanks to DT's mishmash of specs that're published still. They need a continuity guy really badly.

 

[Dogtown]

It says 40MOA on the insert they stuffed in the manual on mine. I then measured mine and did some Trig to confirm it. The rear of the top rail on mine starts at 0.5"

 

[spamassassin]

Gracias!

 

[newguy2k3v2]

It says 40MOA on the insert they stuffed in the manual on mine. I then measured mine and did some Trig to confirm it. The rear of the top rail on mine starts at 0.5"

Does your top rail extend past the end of the handguard? From what I’ve gathered the original 40moa didn’t overhang and the 30moa production rails do.

 

[newguy2k3v2]

My m2 trigger was disappointing compared to the gen 2. A few swipes with a stone cleaned it up though

 

[wooferocau]

Speaking of triggers...

Wish they would incorporate the HTI trigger into the A2!! Going from my HTI ( which has a superb trigger ) to the A2...the trigger on the A2 is very ordinary.

I actually much preferred the trigger on my old Gen 1 to the new A2!!

 

[secondofangle2]

HTI ..375 Cheytac users...

What projectiles, powders have you had the best results with using the "Factory" barrel.

I have so far tried , Berger solids ( disaster with the factory twist) , CE 330 and 352.....very ordinary results so far!!

Best results i have so far are with Hornady 390gr A-tips...BUT ...they are now " Unobtanium" here in Aus!!

At this rate , by the time i get a good combo to shoot well i will need a new barrel !!

Thanks.

I've had 2 factory barrels that loved 350 SMK with about 130-132 of Retumbo or 132-134 of N570 both for about 3050 to 3125 fps

 

[wooferocau]

I've had 2 factory barrels that loved 350 SMK with about 130-132 of Retumbo or 132-134 of N570 both for about 3050 to 3125 fps

Using Hornady 390gr A-Tips i get superb groups/results....but there are no more available her in Aus.

Here in Aus...NO Sierra 350 SMK, with no ETA of any coming in.

I CAN NOT get CE 352gr Solids ( supposedly what DT use in their ammo) to group with ANY combination of powder, seating depth !!! I actually wasted 100rds and 9hrs today "trying" to get a combo with the 352 CE to work....just didn't happen. Best results were just over 1 moa!!

So frustrated with the 375 that i have switched out to my 50BMG Barrel , shoots Hornady 750gr Amax,s into one ragged hole !! Such a huge contrast to the 375 barrel with the CE 352,s .

 

[secondofangle2]

Using Hornady 390gr A-Tips i get superb groups/results....but there are no more available her in Aus.

Here in Aus...NO Sierra 350 SMK, with no ETA of any coming in.

I CAN NOT get CE 352gr Solids ( supposedly what DT use in their ammo) to group with ANY combination of powder, seating depth !!! I actually wasted 100rds and 9hrs today "trying" to get a combo with the 352 CE to work....just didn't happen. Best results were just over 1 moa!!

So frustrated with the 375 that i have switched out to my 50BMG Barrel , shoots Hornady 750gr Amax,s into one ragged hole !! Such a huge contrast to the 375 barrel with the CE 352,s .

For what it’s worth, the DT match Ammunition is loaded also with 130 to 132 grains of the Tumbo with the 352 grain cutting edge bullet seeded just so the driving band is at the case of mouth. They may have changed it in the last couple of years but I’ve been playing with that load also and factory ammo for going on 10 years and that’s pretty consistently been there load.

 

[wooferocau]

For what it’s worth, the DT match Ammunition is loaded also with 130 to 132 grains of the Tumbo with the 352 grain cutting edge bullet seeded just so the driving band is at the case of mouth. They may have changed it in the last couple of years but I’ve been playing with that load also and factory ammo for going on 10 years and that’s pretty consistently been there load.

Tried 130-133 AR2225 (Retumbo) with the CE.. best was over 1moa.

 

[wooferocau]

Well.... i pulled out the 375CT barrel ( terrible results with the CE projectiles) from my HTI and decided to run with the 50bmg..

Until late i have never fired a 50bmg and have heard all sorts of stories in relation to its recoil and muzzle blast....some to the point that i was VERY apprehensive on the first shot!

As per usual on the good ol "world wide web" ...MANY MANY exaggerations and such.... yep the 50bmg lets you know its gone, but its very mild compared to what i was expecting!

Just a strong "push" on the shoulder and a pulse from the blast.... very tolerable!

Today we did the 1 mile ( 1760yds) thing....... of ALL the rifles and calibres i have ever used at this distance the 50bmg was by far the easiest to get consistent strikes on the plate!!

8 shots fired...7 hits.. ( plate is 22" dia)

BIG is BEUTIFULL !!!

 

[DirtyDirty130]

Just got this 47” savior specialist lrp in Friday. It looks real nice and rifle fits good.
The outside pocket is like 36” so i can put barrels there.

 

[Relja]

Are they hitting below the feed ramp? I think I had some doing it and just opened the lips up a little.

Tightened all of the screws and have the three pictures:

First picture how it is when inserted.
Second picture is how I have to adjust it to feed correctly.
Third picture is pushing the magazine all the way up.

Let me know your thoughts.

 

[newguy2k3v2]

Tightened all of the screws and have the three pictures:

First picture how it is when inserted.
Second picture is how I have to adjust it to feed correctly.
Third picture is pushing the magazine all the way up.

Let me know your thoughts.

Really need a round or rounds in the mag to see what’s going on. The weight can affect how it sits also

 

[Relja]

Really need a round or rounds in the mag to see what’s going on. The weight can affect how it sits also

First picture how it is normally.

Second how I need to modify it to feed.

Third: how far I can push it up.

 

[spamassassin]

First picture how it is normally.

Second how I need to modify it to feed.

Third: how far I can push it up.

Does it do this with all of your mags or just this one? Could be the mag is just too far on one side of a set of stacked tolerances. Or, the front end of the feed lips is maybe a bit snug. A little judicious bending will let the round pivot upwards at the bullet end. Be careful to not overdo it. I'd be more prone to replacing the mag. Mags seem to be a kind of a weak spot with the platform between not feeding smoothly and (especially) nosedive issues, etc...

 

[Relja]

Does it do this with all of your mags or just this one? Could be the mag is just too far on one side of a set of stacked tolerances. Or, the front end of the feed lips is maybe a bit snug. A little judicious bending will let the round pivot upwards at the bullet end. Be careful to not overdo it. I'd be more prone to replacing the mag. Mags seem to be a kind of a weak spot with the platform between not feeding smoothly and (especially) nosedive issues, etc...

Does this with all three of my short action 10 round magazines. I have a 5 round long action magazine and that works well

 

[spamassassin]

Does this with all three of my short action 10 round magazines. I have a 5 round long action magazine and that works well

And just to make sure my head isn't up my ass, this is not an Ackley improved case right?

 

[Relja]

And just to make sure my head isn't up my ass, this is not an Ackley improved case right?

Correct. It is standard .308 Winchester. Lapua Virgin brass first loading with scenar-L 155grain.

 

[spamassassin]

Have you tried disassembling the mags ever? I wonder if it's just the spring being in backward or being weak. The front of the mag should act as a sort of feed ramp. I get the occasional nose dive especially when loading the mag which I attribute to follower design and insufficient spring pressure on the front of the follower. Time to disassemble johnny-5.

 

[Lupercal]

Speaking of triggers...

Wish they would incorporate the HTI trigger into the A2!! Going from my HTI ( which has a superb trigger ) to the A2...the trigger on the A2 is very ordinary.

I actually much preferred the trigger on my old Gen 1 to the new A2!!

Something wrong with your A2 trigger, I just got one and the trigger is better than the tuned trigger on my A1.

 

[wooferocau]

Something wrong with your A2 trigger, I just got one and the trigger is better than the tuned trigger on my A1.

Nope...my mate has an A2 as well...his trigger is basically the same as my A2..

 

[Lupercal]

Nope...my mate has an A2 as well...his trigger is basically the same as my A2..

Maybe they changed something in the latest batch? My A2 trigger is excellent, as I said better than the A1 trigger with mods.

 

[wooferocau]

Maybe they changed something in the latest batch? My A2 trigger is excellent, as I said better than the A1 trigger with mods.

Don't get me wrong...the A2 trigger breaks very clean.....but even at its lightest adjustment its still far to heavy.
In contrast ...the trigger on the HTI is superb...breaks clean and can be adjusted to match anything i have used...including my Jewel on a custom ..

 

[knuckleballz]

HTI shooters, has anyone that shoots left handed figured out a cheekrest for their HTI? has anyone shot your HTI left handed and how did it go with the bolt knob close to their face/recoil?

 

[DirtyDirty130]

I’m planning for order an M2 shortly. I was searching the thread and saw that 1.5” seems to be ideal for 56mm scopes, but I’m looking at putting a Nightforce NX8 4-32x50 on mine. Do you think I still should be going with a 1.5” high for the 50mm scope, and if yes what mounting options do you all like for 30mm tubes? I was looking at the hawkins lightweight rings but they only go up to 1.25” for 30mm.

Anything lower than 1.5” is going to be too low to get good cheek position. I have a 1.67” ARC mount and the cheek riser is in the middle position.

 

[Mncoyotehnter]

Knuckleballz save your money, you can't afford a hti

 

[Dogtown]

A tale of two SRSs

And today I learned that it IS possible to shoot the sensor cable on a Shotmarker at 900 yards.

 

[wooferocau]

Hope your ZCO holds up better than the 5 I had!!!

 

[M77]

Hope your ZCO holds up better than the 5 I had!!!

Yours broke ?

 

[wooferocau]

Yep!! 3 of th

Yours broke ?

Yep!! 3 of the 5 did...!!

Returned the lot to my dealer for a full refund....currently he will not sell ZCO !

 

[spamassassin]

Anything lower than 1.5” is going to be too low to get good cheek position. I have a 1.67” ARC mount and the cheek riser is in the middle position.

That's actually very much dependent on bone structure and that's highly racially correlated. There's a pretty vast range of distances from the bottom of the zygomatic bone to the center of the eyeball and there are generally 2 very different kinds of face in this regard: European and "other". With a 56mm scope in a 1.5" mount I have my cheek rest height maxed out and it's still not tall enough on its own. I have to add 1/4" more height because I have the high cheekbones common among those with a lot of redskin genetic heritage. People of pure European ancestry are prone to having quite low cheekbones giving rise to your situation. Asians, Africans and American Indians tend toward notably higher cheekbones giving rise to my situation and the lovely side effect that few other people can use a rifle that's properly set up for me while just about anybody can crane their neck and abandon the cheek weld to look through a pureblood honkey's scope.

1.5" mount is perfect for a 56mm optic and it happens to be perfect for most clip-on NV/thermal applications meant to be used in front of a day scope.

 

[Precision Underground]

Surprisingly our +3 round holder works nicely on the M2. I hadn’t even tried to put one on bc I was thinking it would be awkward/not mount up right bc there’s not good a flat spot to put it. I contoured the velcro to the chassis and it actually works really well. It’s in a good position to reach and clear of the barrel screws

 

[DoctorBen]

Surprisingly our +3 round holder works nicely on the M2. I hadn’t even tried to put one on bc I was thinking it would be awkward/not mount up right bc there’s not good a flat spot to put it. I contoured the velcro to the chassis and it actually works really well. It’s in a good position to reach and clear of the barrel screws
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Are you able to reliably single feed? I’ve never been able to work mine as such.

 

[Precision Underground]

Are you able to reliably single feed? I’ve never been able to work mine as such.

We just got the rifle and I haven’t tried to SF it but I can’t see why not. I dropped some resized brass in to see if it would chamber and it fed fine.

 

[newguy2k3v2]

It depends on the cartridge. A heavy 308 has a tendency to nosedive but a 300wm and some 6.5 seem to do ok for me.

 

[Dogtown]

Over the years I've found single feeding is kind of all over the place. If you just lay the cartridge on top of the follower on an inserted mag it seems like it's a 50/50 successful feeding (this is especially true of short action cartridges from my experience). I think part of the reason for failures to feed is the magazine not sitting properly, but otherwise it just seems too easy to have it strike the feed ramp, especially if I drop the cartridge as far back as possible. This seems to be the case not only with the Gen 1 but now also with the M2 (A2 I would assume), though a bit lesser with the latter. Also, I think the increased diameter of magnum cartridges can slightly mitigate the issue.

For the above reasons I just learned to make sure I get the bullet into the chamber enough so that as soon as I run the bolt there's no chance of striking the feed ramp. Yeah, it's not as fast as just dropping it in, but it's the most reliable technique I've found and is only take a slight bit more effort.