People don’t want to go back to work?

[RUTGERS95]

So you took a $93,000.00 hit so you wouldn’t have to commute? I take it you’re making “go fuck yourself” level money?

no, hit my base income about 40% but I have my sons. win win. I make enough to do what I want, no bills, been smart with my money. If not for a divorce, I'd be retiring soon. Family time is more important to me for a variety of reasons.

point is, intrinsic value matters more than defined value for some.

 

[Choid]

Disincentivizing work is starting to show up in every economic report. People are often mistaking it for other things, but it is the driving factor in things going from promising to shitty. My state was the first to opt out of this garbage, though we weren't having the same problems for various structural reasons. Our unemployed are two permanent classes, and the rate doesn't really budge. Anyway, this shit has go to go, and yes, the workforce will look different as it does coming back from any dislocation, but that is fine.

Obligatory ORANGE MAN BAD part: That jagoff is the one who wanted 2k checks instead of $600, so it isn't all on Sleeepy Joe. He's just running down the open field of stupidity with the ball.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Disincentivizing work is starting to show up in every economic report. People are often mistaking it for other things, but it is the driving factor in things going from promising to shitty. My state was the first to opt out of this garbage, though we weren't having the same problems for various structural reasons. Our unemployed are two permanent classes, and the rate doesn't really budge. Anyway, this shit has go to go, and yes, the workforce will look different as it does coming back from any dislocation, but that is fine.

Obligatory ORANGE MAN BAD part: That jagoff is the one who wanted 2k checks instead of $600, so it isn't all on Sleeepy Joe. He's just running down the open field of stupidity with the ball.

well in his defense, it was a ploy to help the election in swing states and the reps blew it!

 

[Choid]

well in his defense, it was a ploy to help the election in swing states and the reps blew it!

It was a bad ploy, and he had already goat fucked the state of Georgia, so no defense at all.

 

[TurboTrout]

no, hit my base income about 40% but I have my sons. win win. I make enough to do what I want, no bills, been smart with my money. If not for a divorce, I'd be retiring soon. Family time is more important to me for a variety of reasons.

point is, intrinsic value matters more than defined value for some.

Fair enough

 

[RUTGERS95]

@TurboTrout don't get me wrong, the extra coin is nice and you have to swallow your ego when you go from senior position to middle line but I play baseball and football with my kids 3 days a week. I can't put a price on that at all, in fact, 1hr till they get home and I'm taking the little guy out for route running and the older one will do some hitting. I'm grateful for this opportunity and having an absentee father, I know the value of being here. I don't begrudge anyone their choices, money is important but I prefer to wake up, make them breakfast and see them on the bus and be here when they get home.

no to blow your mind, when I divorced, I took a yr off to make sure my kids were ok and to see I was there. That was a hit to the account!

Friday night I'm taking the boys shooting at 4, couldn't do that waiting on the trains

 

[HiDesertELR]

I've got some prime commercial real estate for sale.... such a deal, me and you, nice face discount, today only, step right up!

 

[Jefe's Dope]

Didn't read all the comments so maybe it's been covered. But, once they allow evictions, the work force will return. Should start seeing them towing all the new cars no one is paying payments or insurance on. Or once they have to pay rent, they won't be able to make that car payment again. And once they start evicting people, who's going to rent to them with back rent owed? Most landlords won't lease to you until your back rent is payed to your previous landlord.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Didn't read all the comments so maybe it's been covered. But, once they allow evictions, the work force will return. Should start seeing them towing all the new cars no one is paying payments or insurance on. Or once they have to pay rent, they won't be able to make that car payment again. And once they start evicting people, who's going to rent to them with back rent owed? Most landlords won't lease to you until your back rent is payed to your previous landlord.

never understood how that was deemed 'legal' to force this on landlords. How that didn't end up in the highest courts is beyond me

 

[TurboTrout]

@TurboTrout don't get me wrong, the extra coin is nice and you have to swallow your ego when you go from senior position to middle line but I play baseball and football with my kids 3 days a week. I can't put a price on that at all, in fact, 1hr till they get home and I'm taking the little guy out for route running and the older one will do some hitting. I'm grateful for this opportunity and having an absentee father, I know the value of being here. I don't begrudge anyone their choices, money is important but I prefer to wake up, make them breakfast and see them on the bus and be here when they get home.

no to blow your mind, when I divorced, I took a yr off to make sure my kids were ok and to see I was there. That was a hit to the account!

Friday night I'm taking the boys shooting at 4, couldn't do that waiting on the trains

I don’t have kids, so I can’t fully relate, but honestly good on you, sound like a good dad to the little dudes.

 

[lariat]

Even when called back to work, there will be impacts relative to space and close proximity issues. I can't see offices being what they were pre-CCOIVD form some time. That means that it will be a phased return back since it is doubtful that companies will want to increase their available space.

Many companies are realizing that the traditional model which drove commercial real estate is relatively doomed for failure. Companies see that in many instances, employees can work quite effectively at home. This will definitely impact commercial real estate prices as companies downsize and save costs. Then there is the inevitable fallout to other businesses that support the large commercial real estate that houses all of the day to day workers. Food industry will be very heavily impacted as more people stay at home.

We ain't seen anything yet and sleepy Joe and his "cabinet" are a bit too dim to get us through it

What would ANY administration be able to do to address this? Its a massive change in where people work that doesnt appear to be going back to the pre-covid heyday of Office Space. If the government stepped in to help I would be very skeptical as it isn't something that can be handled at the central planning level. Firms relying upon office spaces are going to have to adjust or go out of business - renovations, IT/phone, restaurants, hotels, etc.

We as a collective body keep going down this mystery rabbit hole of "they way things used to be". It isn't coming back; we are experiencing a major paradigm shift on many levels. We all have got to get used to adapting and being able to identify those shifts that are permanent, which are temporary and which ones are new as of now. Whatever we wanted to happen we can just throw that away and start with a new plan that incorporates reality and tries to take advantage of it.

 

[TurboTrout]

never understood how that was deemed 'legal' to force this on landlords. How that didn't end up in the highest courts is beyond me

Yet during the same time, if the landlord doesn’t pay property taxes, for the teachers who arnt even going to school and police who won’t respond to many calls, the state will send men with guns to steal his bought and paid for property from him.

 

[TurboTrout]

What would ANY administration be able to do to address this? Its a massive change in where people work that doesnt appear to be going back to the pre-covid heyday of Office Space. If the government stepped in to help I would be very skeptical as it isn't something that can be handled at the central planning level. Firms relying upon office spaces are going to have to adjust or go out of business - renovations, IT/phone, restaurants, hotels, etc.

We as a collective body keep going down this mystery rabbit hole of "they way things used to be". It isn't coming back; we are experiencing a major paradigm shift on many levels. We all have got to get used to adapting and being able to identify those shifts that are permanent, which are temporary and which ones are new as of now. Whatever we wanted to happen we can just throw that away and start with a new plan that incorporates reality and tries to take advantage of it.

But that was coming one way or another, I know some office types, and even they said years ago they could do the same job from home, think covid just fast forwarded it a few years.

 

[Maggot]

Lol

If you need a creation mythos to tell you why victimizing others is bad, that’s not good.

I have not seen any evidence god exists, I’m not opposed to it being a possibility however, I also am very confident I could get away with most crimes if I put a little planning into it, do you know why I don’t go rape, kill and steal? Because I’m not a piece of shit, and as a man I know it’s wrong and thus it’s not something I’d even entertain doing.

If you need laws or god to come to the same conclusion, I don’t know what to tell you.

You say you 'know' its wrong...by what standard is it wrong. Where or how did you learn that concept? dont be ambiguous, give a concrete reason, like " I know that raping and stealing is wrong because . Be detailed. Be honest, you might surprise yourself.

 

[Bullspotter]

I was under the impression that if you were offered your job back after being layed off, and you did not take it, then you likely would loose your UI benefits.

 

[TurboTrout]

You say you 'know' its wrong...by what standard is it wrong. Where or how did you learn that concept? dont be ambiguous, give a concrete reason, like " I know that raping and stealing is wrong because . Be detailed. Be honest, you might surprise yourself.

Common sense?
Empathy?

Because as a human I’d feel bad say stomping a dog to death, or curb stomping someone, because i know if that was my loved one it would hurt me for that to happen, because as someone who works for what I have it would hurt if someone took my property, so I don’t take others property.

If I was a betting man I’d wager there is no heaven or hell, just cut to black, bloat, pop and bug food. I also know how useless law enforcement is, and don’t have much respect for them these days, nor the endless sea of laws, with a little planning I could do all sorts of stuff and have a minimal risk of getting caught if I went all in, I don’t refrain from doing bad things because I’m scared of the law, or scared of hell, or got a hard on for heaven, I know it cooks some people’s noodle, how someone can not be a savage without being into the state or Jesus (very similar product actually), but a man develops his own code, not sure how else I can describe it.

 

[TurboTrout]

I was under the impression that if you were offered your job back after being layed off, and you did not take it, then you likely would loose your UI benefits.

As I recall there was a checkbox for if you have turned down any job offers or refused to return to work.

“Generally, if your employer has called you back to work and you do not return to work, you may be disqualified from receiving further Reemployment Assistance benefits. If you have failed without good cause to accept suitable work or return to work, you will be disqualified from receiving Reemployment Assistance benefits. You should report that you have refused an offer to work when claiming your weeks in the CONNECT system. You will have an opportunity to provide more information about your reason (good cause) for not returning to work. DEO will determine eligibility for unemployment benefits on a case-by-case basis.”

 

[vinniedelpino]

In 2020, a single parent with three kids that made $20k in wages and received $10k in unemployment received a $9,139 federal tax refund, the aforementioned $10k in unemployment, plus $5100 in stimulus payments. (This doesn't include the third and largest round of stimulus issued in 2021.)

That's $44,239 in income for the year, only $20k of which was earned. If they were self employed, they might have received several thousand dollars in additional "free money" from the EIDL grant, PPP proceeds, ERTC or a combination of the three.

It's fuckin' horsehit. Anyone who thinks these subsidized stimulus checks, unemployment and employer assistance was a good idea is a jackass. It was a ploy by both parties to buy votes with handouts more than anything else.

Universal basic income underwent a massive expansion in 2020 and it continues to grow throughout 2021. It's just disguised as government bailouts and stimulus programs related to covid. Call it what it is.

Don't be fooled, comrades. A new era is upon us and the radical left is gaining ground.

 

[TurboTrout]

In 2020, a single parent with three kids that made $20k in wages and received $10k in unemployment received a $9,139 federal tax refund, the aforementioned $10k in unemployment, plus $5100 in stimulus payments. (This doesn't include the third and largest round of stimulus issued in 2021.)

That's $44,239 in income for the year, only $20k of which was earned. If they were self employed, they might have received several thousand dollars in additional "free money" from the EIDL grant, PPP proceeds, ERTC or a combination of the three.

It's fuckin' horsehit. Anyone who thinks these subsidized stimulus checks, unemployment and employer assistance was a good idea is a jackass. It was a ploy by both parties to buy votes with handouts more than anything else.

Universal basic income underwent a massive expansion in 2020 and it continues to grow throughout 2021. It's just disguised as government bailouts and stimulus programs related to covid. Call it what it is.

Don't be fooled, comrades. A new era is upon us and the radical left is gaining ground.

Why do we encourage poor and stupid people to breed?

 

[TurboTrout]

this is just a shitty way to do ethics

it's just a form of rebranded hedonism

do what feels good, seek pleasure avoid pain, however that manifests itself in that particular individual

while you may be right that the majority of people think similarly as you, there are enough sick, twisted people out there where do what feels right isn't a viable moral framework

I have pained myself physically, financially, emotionally to help others, I could have made much more money by victimizing others, yer I choose to help others as I can and not hurt others even when it would benefit me, I didn’t need the Jesus or the Easter bunny, or Nancy Pelosi to tell me what was the right thing to do

Doing what feels good and avoiding pain is what everyone does, that’s not hedonism, it’s called not being a idiot lol. You don’t have to whip yourself to be a good person, I’ve done more for others than many religious types, but I still like my nice car, good scotch and hot women.

 

[lariat]

Why do we encourage poor and stupid people to breed?

Because we no longer have Christian values?

 

[Supersubes]

never understood how that was deemed 'legal' to force this on landlords. How that didn't end up in the highest courts is beyond me

I thought it did end ip in the highest court, and was ruled in favor of the homeowners. The civil suits should follow.

 

[TurboTrout]

Because we no longer have Christian values?

Last commercial flight I was on with some screaming crotch fruit, I was like

“Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!”

lol

 

[Nik H]

What would ANY administration be able to do to address this? Its a massive change in where people work that doesnt appear to be going back to the pre-covid heyday of Office Space. If the government stepped in to help I would be very skeptical as it isn't something that can be handled at the central planning level. Firms relying upon office spaces are going to have to adjust or go out of business - renovations, IT/phone, restaurants, hotels, etc.

We as a collective body keep going down this mystery rabbit hole of "they way things used to be". It isn't coming back; we are experiencing a major paradigm shift on many levels. We all have got to get used to adapting and being able to identify those shifts that are permanent, which are temporary and which ones are new as of now. Whatever we wanted to happen we can just throw that away and start with a new plan that incorporates reality and tries to take advantage of it.

I have no false illusion that we will get back to "the way things used to be". That is never going to happen. The old adage "you can't go home again" is at play. As you say, adaptation will be important as long as it isn't mandated by the Government.

I would never expect any administration to be able to right this situation. Government can only make matters worse which is what sleepy Joe will do....make things worse and not only with our economic recovery but with Global events as well.

 

[TurboTrout]

I have no false illusion that we will get back to "the way things used to be". That is never going to happen. The old adage "you can't go home again" is at play. As you say, adaptation will be important as long as it isn't mandated by the Government.

I would never expect any administration to be able to right this situation. Government can only make matters worse which is what sleepy Joe will do....make things worse and not only with our economic recovery but with Global events as well.

What I find crazy is folks are asking the government to fix it?

Like gee look at the mess we got in last time we asked the gov to “fix it”

Or like every time they try to “help”

Personally I can’t afford any more of their help, if they could just sit on their hands in the corner, that would be greeeaaaaattttt

 

[vinniedelpino]

Why do we encourage poor and stupid people to breed?

I wrestle with that question daily. Imagine how many of the worlds problems would be solved by letting unproductive adults starve themselves?

Feed pigeons too often and they'll grow in numbers, harass the ever loving hell out of you and shit all over the place. Everyone knows that.

 

[thejeep]

So all of y’all non mask wearing, big gov hating, badass mother fuckers are against taking the government’s money?

I think it’s funny most folks got bought up for a couple stimi’s. That’s cheap. Praise be the shit heads that one day make ye angry enough to push back.

 

[Nik H]

But that was coming one way or another, I know some office types, and even they said years ago they could do the same job from home, think covid just fast forwarded it a few years.

I have been working from home for 3.5 years now. No issue for me or my employer

 

[TurboTrout]

it's not

that an action produce pleasure is not necessary for that act to have value

So you go out of your way to have pain?

 

[PatMiles]

I thought it did end ip in the highest court, and was ruled in favor of the homeowners. The civil suits should follow.

Here ya go.

Judge Overturns Federal Moratorium on Pandemic-Era Evictions

The ruling out of Washington says the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention lacked the legal authority to ban evictions.

www.courthousenews.com

But as expected, the Biden administration is expected to challenge the ruling.

 

[TurboTrout]

So all of y’all non mask wearing, big gov hating, badass mother fuckers are against taking the government’s money?View attachment 7627322

I think it’s funny most folks got bought up for a couple stimi’s. That’s cheap. Praise be the shit heads that one day make ye angry enough to push back.

Well if you’re going to fuck me you might as well pay me.

Frankly in my ideal world it would only be those who wanted to shut their neighbors business down, church down, and rights down, who would pay all that UI.

For the couple months I was furloughed, even with that baller status grand or two a month lol, yeah I was making WAY less than I made before the attack of the Karens

 

[Vodoun daVinci]

Yeah, I don't think we are going back to the Way it used to be and I don't think the litigation about rent and evictions and PPP Payouts and all that is anywhere near over. Just getting started. I know for a fact that local/State politicians are gonna sort these folks out who cheated on the PPP payouts - my State Senator's office called me and wanted to know if I'd be willing to help them put the President of the company I work for in jail...because they played the PPP System and fired 200+ people literally days before the PPP thing became law. PPP money was supposed to protect the workers, not get them fired so the owner could get rich off the Government.

I was told they have a list of people they know fucked the System and will begin working thru it as time allows. Then again they are Politicians so if their lips are moving they are lying. I digress....I think the litigation over this mess is just starting.

VooDoo

 

[Strykervet]

So I was thinking about this the other day... I have to pay mortgage, bills, food, then I'm disabled and in pain so I get to piss in cups for pain meds and pay all sorts of out of pocket expenses related to that. Then this gun habit ain't fucking cheap... Disability works out to around $50k and then I'm smart with what I have, but I'd rather be able to do more for myself, I'm a goddamn mathematician with tons of real world physical and electronic security with a pretty impressive resume. Just can't find anyone that'll pay me to work from home (even just 70% of the time and willing to do it for a discount at that!).

Anyway...

I drive by the homeless camp (on the way to pay for shit like normal people) and see that THOSE motherfuckers have cell phones, internet, Underarmor clothes and backpacks, these nice expensive well made tents, A GATED COMMUNITY WITH A FUCKING POLICEMAN 24/7, AND they get free food DELIVERED 3x a day! On top of it, they don't have to piss in cups or get fucked paying for Tier 3 drugs... Heroin is cheap and nobody cares anymore. I'd still get VA services on top of it all...

So yeah, maybe I'm doing it wrong...

Live like that five years, save up and walk out with a quarter mill... THEN I could invest and move on up. So yeah, must be doing it wrong.

They say your shit ends up owning you, I sorta feel like that sometimes! Must be nice to be truly free with absolutely zero fucks to give.

 

[Choid]

so, you're one of those people that runs on the treadmill or hits the squat rack for the "pleasure" of it lol?

It is uniquely human to do things in order to seek future results. Not that it answers any questions, but it is certainly a higher order function we have, where as the pursuit of pleasure/avoidance of pain, is a lower order function we share with all mammals. Even further off topic, I'd argue that the entire left wing social structure is based on associating us with our most base functions: drink, toke, fuck, kill baby is too hard, rinse repeat. I evolved man. We have the means to be either way, but we have to choose.

 

[Maggot]

Even when called back to work, there will be impacts relative to space and close proximity issues. I can't see offices being what they were pre-CCOIVD form some time. That means that it will be a phased return back since it is doubtful that companies will want to increase their available space.

Many companies are realizing that the traditional model which drove commercial real estate is relatively doomed for failure. Companies see that in many instances, employees can work quite effectively at home. This will definitely impact commercial real estate prices as companies downsize and save costs. Then there is the inevitable fallout to other businesses that support the large commercial real estate that houses all of the day to day workers. Food industry will be very heavily impacted as more people stay at home.

We ain't seen anything yet and sleepy Joe and his "cabinet" are a bit too dim to get us through it

Another hard hit sector is the shopping malls.Tthe old style ones were crashing even before COVID thanks to Amazon and the net.. I went to one of the local ones that used to be crowded and the only thing left was the Belk (clothing) store. The JC Penny's was being used as a vaccination center.

 

[Maggot]

So I was thinking about this the other day... I have to pay mortgage, bills, food, then I'm disabled and in pain so I get to piss in cups for pain meds and pay all sorts of out of pocket expenses related to that. Then this gun habit ain't fucking cheap... Disability works out to around $50k and then I'm smart with what I have, but I'd rather be able to do more for myself, I'm a goddamn mathematician with tons of real world physical and electronic security with a pretty impressive resume. Just can't find anyone that'll pay me to work from home (even just 70% of the time and willing to do it for a discount at that!).

Anyway...

I drive by the homeless camp (on the way to pay for shit like normal people) and see that THOSE motherfuckers have cell phones, internet, Underarmor clothes and backpacks, these nice expensive well made tents, A GATED COMMUNITY WITH A FUCKING POLICEMAN 24/7, AND they get free food DELIVERED 3x a day! On top of it, they don't have to piss in cups or get fucked paying for Tier 3 drugs... Heroin is cheap and nobody cares anymore. I'd still get VA services on top of it all...

So yeah, maybe I'm doing it wrong...

Live like that five years, save up and walk out with a quarter mill... THEN I could invest and move on up. So yeah, must be doing it wrong.

They say your shit ends up owning you, I sorta feel like that sometimes! Must be nice to be truly free with absolutely zero fucks to give.

I noticed that the other day in DC. NO crappy tents there, fucking brand new, bright green, huge dome that could sleep a dozen.

Wehn I come to Seattle instead of getting a room Ill just pitch my tent, sign up for free meals, and stay for free.

 

[Charger442]

I have been working from home for 3.5 years now. No issue for me or my employer

i think it depends on the industry and job. There's a ton of companies who want their workers back in the office because productivity has fallen so far off. like 50% of pre-covid. thats confirmed by tracking computer usage and log-ons. we had to terminate one guy who, despite several reprimands, would not log on for a few days in a row.

There is this false narrative thats being pushed that all employers are getting the same work ethic from at-home workers. and in practice, that narrative is not panning out.

 

[TurboTrout]

I noticed that the other day in DC. NO crappy tents there, fucking brand new, bright green, huge dome that could sleep a dozen.

Wehn I come to Seattle instead of getting a room Ill just pitch my tent, sign up for free meals, and stay for free.

As a kid I remember Seattle very well, it breaks my heart where that place went, used to be very liberty minded place

Want a AK with a drum mag, go for it
Want to get gay married, have at er’

VERY few states had that duality, sadly the place is going down the drain, every time I go there it’s notably worse

 

[Texasflyer]

I got let go in january for a few months. I have never gotten a stimulus check, i did not go on unemployment. The dole, there used to be some shame in living off of other peoples money. I sub contract for a company so there was no money when it stopped. I busted ass as a mechanic and relief for guys that were still working and did a little varmit hunting for farmers in my area. This mother fucker that says he spends 500 a month in beer and soy lattes took the money anyways and spent it on shitty food and soy products. I could get mad or whatever, but there are men and there are the found wanting. I will never be the latter, i dont trust a handout. If i sink or swim it will always be all me that did it.

 

[TurboTrout]

so, you're one of those people that runs on the treadmill or hits the squat rack for the "pleasure" of it lol?

You’re conflating going to the gym with choosing to murder or steal?

But to your kinda silly question, yes, well no as I don’t do the treadmill thing, but yes; I work out because it makes me feel good

 

[Maggot]

Common sense?
Empathy?

Because as a human I’d feel bad say stomping a dog to death, or curb stomping someone, because i know if that was my loved one it would hurt me for that to happen, because as someone who works for what I have it would hurt if someone took my property, so I don’t take others property.

If I was a betting man I’d wager there is no heaven or hell, just cut to black, bloat, pop and bug food. I also know how useless law enforcement is, and don’t have much respect for them these days, nor the endless sea of laws, with a little planning I could do all sorts of stuff and have a minimal risk of getting caught if I went all in, I don’t refrain from doing bad things because I’m scared of the law, or scared of hell, or got a hard on for heaven, I know it cooks some people’s noodle, how someone can not be a savage without being into the state or Jesus (very similar product actually), but a man develops his own code, not sure how else I can describe it.

Still pretty ambiguous there. I was hoping for something more thought out like:

-Because I know that every action has an equal and opposite reaction and I want to insure that all the reactions returning to me are positive."

My guess is that if you asked any Christian 'WHY" they shouldnt do the things prohibited by the ten commandments they couldnt give you a functional answer outside of "Because 'God'/The Bible says you shouldnt with out any thing further to back it up.

If you asked me Id give the above reason. 'action and reaction' and add that because I can see in nature that "You reap what you sow." If you sow watermelon seeds you get watermelons, not turnips. If you sow corn you reap corn, potatoes= potatoes. Therefore I sow deeds into the field of life that I want to reap the fruits of. Things like 'kindness', 'generosity', etc.

But at a most basic level, sometimes I dont do bad shit, like torture the guy who ripped off my retirement, ONLY because I dont want to spend the rest of my life in prison.

 

[Nik H]

i think it depends on the industry and job. There's a ton of companies who want their workers back in the office because productivity has fallen so far off. like 50% of pre-covid. thats confirmed by tracking computer usage and log-ons. we had to terminate one guy who, despite several reprimands, would not log on for a few days in a row.

There is this false narrative thats being pushed that all employers are getting the same work ethic from at-home workers. and in practice, that narrative is not panning out.

Yes it does depend on what you do. My job is perfect for working remotely.

Not so sure it is a false narrative as I most of the people I worked with before COVID are pretty productive now despite the fact that they had to learn how to work from home. Many people fail at working from home because they try to work from home in the same manner that they worked when in the office. It is very different. Some can do it and some cannot.

 

[TurboTrout]

I got let go in january for a few months. I have never gotten a stimulus check, i did not go on unemployment. The dole, there used to be some shame in living off of other peoples money. I sub contract for a company so there was no money when it stopped. I busted ass as a mechanic and relief for guys that were still working and did a little varmit hunting for farmers in my area. This mother fucker that says he spends 500 a month in beer and soy lattes took the money anyways and spent it on shitty food and soy products. I could get mad or whatever, but there are men and there are the found wanting. I will never be the latter, i dont trust a handout. If i sink or swim it will always be all me that did it.

who said soy?

Please re read

And yeah, 500 or so on drinks, a good bit more if you included going out to eat. Not much money really

And of course I’m going to take the gov and tax payers money, their paranoia screwed me out of my job for two months, why would they not be liable for their idiocracy? Besides paying me some pathetic amount compared to what I was making, frankly they should have paid me for my lost wages.

If you interfere in something and cause damages, you should be responsible.

If I did something that caused someone to be out of work for 2mo, I’d fully expect to be on the hook for 2mo worth of their pay...at minimum

 

[TurboTrout]

Still pretty ambiguous there. I was hoping for something more thought out like:

-Because I know that every action has an equal and opposite reaction and I want to insure that all the reactions returning to me are positive."

My guess is that if you asked any Christian 'WHY" they shouldnt do the things prohibited by the ten commandments they couldnt give you a functional answer outside of "Because 'God'/The Bible says you shouldnt with out any thing further to back it up.

If you asked me Id give the above reason. 'action and reaction' and add that because I can see in nature that "You reap what you sow." If you sow watermelon seeds you get watermelons, not turnips. If you sow corn you reap corn, potatoes= potatoes. Therefore I sow deeds into the field of life that I want to reap the fruits of. Things like 'kindness', 'generosity', etc.

But at a most basic level, sometimes I dont do bad shit, like torture the guy who ripped off my retirement, ONLY because I dont want to spend the rest of my life in prison.

Yeah, but you don’t always reap what you sow, tons of shitty people have made tons of money being shitty people, just look at politicians.

Cuomo got tons of old people killed in nursing homes, he won awards, got a book deal, and when his times comes he’ll be old, surrounded by his family and with the best medical care and comfort money can buy, when he dies he’ll be just as dead as a holy priest, and he’ll decomp just the same, and flags will probably fly at half staff in NY, even the nursing homes will probably fly half staff.

 

[oneshot86]

i think it depends on the industry and job. There's a ton of companies who want their workers back in the office because productivity has fallen so far off. like 50% of pre-covid. thats confirmed by tracking computer usage and log-ons. we had to terminate one guy who, despite several reprimands, would not log on for a few days in a row.

There is this false narrative thats being pushed that all employers are getting the same work ethic from at-home workers. and in practice, that narrative is not panning out.

There is just no fucking way the average dickhead will produce what they could at work vs at home.
Maybe a select few, but 99 percent of the people I have ever met would dick boss man.

 

[vinniedelpino]

There is just no fucking way the average dickhead will produce what they could at work vs at home.
Maybe a select few, but 99 percent of the people I have ever met would dick boss man.

Just switch up the pay structure away from salary and towards piecework and/or production based compensation.

Best move I've ever made as a business owner. Production shot through the roof, employees are making more money and everyone is thrilled with the arrangement. It may not work for every position, but when it does it's a home run.

 

[oneshot86]

Just switch up the pay structure away from salary and towards piecework and/or production based compensation.

Best move I've ever made as a business owner. Production shot through the roof, employees are making more money and everyone is thrilled with the arrangement. It may not work for every position, but when it does it's a home run.

Or, they should have been producing that while on their hourly wage, then you could say damn, raises for all.
The American worker better get his dumb lazy head out of his ass. he is out of shape and only wants to work 40.
Times are changing, there's going to be another recession, and all you Mill rats are going to be in the soup line. If you have a lazy or non company attitude, you will be unemployed when this recession hits.
Get back in the game and hard.
Get used to the heat, the cold, hard long hours, quit being entitled .
You guys looking for work? I just can't imagine it, far too much quality employment out there.

 

[lariat]

This right here. A team player that gets it with no remorse for the lazy. This is what this country needs a ton more of.

Or, they should have been producing that while on their hourly wage, then you could say damn, raises for all.
The American worker better get his dumb lazy head out of his ass. he is out of shape and only wants to work 40.
Times are changing, there's going to be another recession, and all you Mill rats are going to be in the soup line. If you have a lazy or non company attitude, you will be unemployed when this recession hits.
Get back in the game and hard.
Get used to the heat, the cold, hard long hours, quit being entitled .
You guys looking for work? I just can't imagine it, far too much quality employment out there.

 

[TurboTrout]

Just switch up the pay structure away from salary and towards piecework and/or production based compensation.

Best move I've ever made as a business owner. Production shot through the roof, employees are making more money and everyone is thrilled with the arrangement. It may not work for every position, but when it does it's a home run.

Commission pay is best pay, the good ones rise, the bad ones get better or GTFO

 

[Duc]

To lazy to work for this, so I stole it....