Pictures don't make sense......

[pmclaine]

Las Vegas shooting

You have probably seen the pictures from this article previously but I see them again and they don't add up for me......

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5293055/Las-Vegas-shooters-deadly-arsenal-revealed.html

Why the freezer gloves?

How accessible is your AR when piled in a nest of chairs?

They say he fired no incindiary but what's the oily hit at the fuel tank? I've shot steel with ball and it doesn't leave that mess.

Magazines bundled together and never accessed despite having time to do so? Why aren't the mags at the firing point?

Why the excess of firearms? You are a lone shooter with a shit ton of mags do you toss a gun and grab new from inside the nest of chairs or it's haphazard pile on the bed or do you insert new mag, release bolt lock, carry on? Even if the guns were lined up side by side you would be faster inserting mag, slapping release, and carrying on.

Remember you are alone, 23 guns seems poised for a message, other people were in the room, or you had other ideas for the guns and someone else had other ideas for the guns.

Doesn't look like two hundred rounds through the door? Could they buy a shittier door?

Why the tannerite?

Something smells rotten.

 

[ArmyJerry]

unhinged former government worker, registered democrat, shooting up a bunch of republicans, lets call it what it is, violent leftists killing good americans.

 

[pmclaine]

Yes crazy would account for the haphazard display arranged in the room.

Shit crazy explained the Newtown son of a bitch reloading while he still had half full mags of ammo.

Crazy usually knows enough not to get caught though, lugging all that shit into the hotel only increased the risk of being found out.

 

[Mater2009]

Just like the JFK shooting they don't really want to talk about it come on does it really push your head that far back taking a second shot from behind.

 

[Rthur]

Las Vegas shooting

You have probably seen the pictures from this article previously but I see them again and they don't add up for me......

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5293055/Las-Vegas-shooters-deadly-arsenal-revealed.html

Why the freezer gloves?

How accessible is your AR when piled in a nest of chairs?

They say he fired no incindiary but what's the oily hit at the fuel tank? I've shot steel with ball and it doesn't leave that mess.

Magazines bundled together and never accessed despite having time to do so? Why aren't the mags at the firing point?

Why the excess of firearms? You are a lone shooter with a shit ton of mags do you toss a gun and grab new from inside the nest of chairs or it's haphazard pile on the bed or do you insert new mag, release bolt lock, carry on? Even if the guns were lined up side by side you would be faster inserting mag, slapping release, and carrying on.

Remember you are alone, 23 guns seems poised for a message, other people were in the room, or you had other ideas for the guns and someone else had other ideas for the guns.

Doesn't look like two hundred rounds through the door? Could they buy a shittier door?

Why the tannerite?

Something smells rotten.

I'm guessing you're really thinking this looks staged.

R

 

[pmclaine]

I'm guessing you're really thinking this looks staged.

R

Just really convenient as to convey a visual message but why not a written crazy guy manifesto?

His data book even sucks.

 

[Mater2009]

And look how fast it was out of the spotlight. Yeah I'm with you. 2+2=bullshit on this one.

 

[kansas]

I’m not a conspiracy theorist but... not a lot of what has came out about all this has added up and...some of the story changes to fit a narrative. I’d dismiss this as a conspiracy but with all of the BS pics and stories and the fact that the lefty government was behind fast and furious for no other reason than to promote gun control, I’m not ready to pass this off as another nut job guy that wanted to be famous.

 

[jtv3062]

He must of bad magic bullets. Look at the fuel tank photos bullet impacts under the overhang when he was shooting from an elevated position.

 

[pmclaine]

I’m not a conspiracy theorist but... not a lot of what has came out about all this has added up and...some of the story changes to fit a narrative. I’d dismiss this as a conspiracy but with all of the BS pics and stories and the fact that the lefty government was behind fast and furious for no other reason than to promote gun control, I’m not ready to pass this off as another nut job guy that wanted to be famous.

Got a letter today from the State Atty General, sent out to all Firearms license holders in the state of MA.....

as of Feb 1 bump stocks and trigger cranks are banned in MA.

Not only are they banned for sale but if you have one there is no grandfather clause and you are directed to turn them in within the grace period or after such will face prosecution. You cant even keep them in your home.

How is that not an ex post facto law or denial of personal property without just compensation?

Still turning up the heat on the frogs.

 

[pmclaine]

Whats up with this piece of gear....

Only thing I can think of would be this video....

 

[DuneBoer]

Looks like some sort of thing he set up to breathe in case he got gassed. Too stupid to buy a gas mask.

 

[atomic41]

I'm sticking with a theory that I heard in the beginning from a guy in England. It's the only thing that makes sense and it's real simple, basically the guy was a martyr. The guy did not leave any signs of a motive, no political statements, suicide letter, nothing. He bought a shitload of guns and ammo, and brought them to his room.
I think his motive was to be so over the top and shock people so badly that there would be massive sweeping gun control and an attack on our civil rights. He wanted these pictures of his weapons and descriptions of them to terrify the nation. He was another angry, tyranny loving liberal that wants the country disarmed.
If he left a trail to his political motivations and his personality, he wouldn't be as successful because people will focus on his politics. He wanted everyone to just be shocked at his weapons and carnage. So the motivation is hiding in plain sight, but he had to hide it to be successful. I think if you stop searching so hard to find conspiracies, the answer is right there.

 

[pmclaine]

I'm sticking with a theory that I heard in the beginning from a guy in England. It's the only thing that makes sense and it's real simple, basically the guy was a martyr. The guy did not leave any signs of a motive, no political statements, suicide letter, nothing. He bought a shitload of guns and ammo, and brought them to his room.
I think his motive was to be so over the top and shock people so badly that there would be massive sweeping gun control and an attack on our civil rights. He wanted these pictures of his weapons and descriptions of them to terrify the nation. He was another angry, tyranny loving liberal that wants the country disarmed.
If he left a trail to his political motivations and his personality, he wouldn't be as successful because people will focus on his politics. He wanted everyone to just be shocked at his weapons and carnage. So the motivation is hiding in plain sight, but he had to hide it to be successful. I think if you stop searching so hard to find conspiracies, the answer is right there.

My only question regards that theory is that form of uber liberal can't go through life incognito.

They establish a life's work of being "the one" that makes a lot of noise, writing letters supporting the tax over ride, his neighborhood hated him because he would call the cops when they mowed their lawn, his car has 100 bumper stickers espousing his liberal views.

I considered that the mouth piece might be his ersatz gas mask but than if you could afford 23 ARs couldn't you buy a surplus rubber mask?

And if that determined why resort to the .38 when the janitor walks down the hall?

Let's see the other end of the tube. Another picture shows it may be leading into another room. Looks like you might need the lungs of a blue whale for it to be of any use. Check out the length of tube...

Im guessing what looks like a childrens snokling mask seen in another photo was his "anti CS" eye pro..

In some ways so smart, yet so dumb.

I guess that supports "crazy" and sane people will never make sense of crazy.

 

[atomic41]

My only question regards that theory is that form of uber liberal can't go through life incognito.

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You make a good point and normally that's true of a liberal. But this guy was different. Case in point, did you watch the interview with his brother in his driveway? Watch that video. His brother is just like Dennis Hopper from Apocalypse Now. The scene where they arrive at the Col's camp is just like the driveway interview. Seriously, find that interview and watch it and think of that movie scene. It bugged me for days because it reminded me of someone...then I remembered the movie scene and character.

His brother is batshit crazy, I'm thinking this runs in the family. I don't think this guy fits the normal liberal virtue signaling pattern. He might not have even been a full on liberal, but just tweaked. This guy was nuts and doesn't fit any of the normal profiles for a mass killer. If this theory is correct, the police won't figure it out.

 

[pmclaine]

You make a good point and normally that's true of a liberal. But this guy was different. Case in point, did you watch the interview with his brother in his driveway? Watch that video. His brother is just like Dennis Hopper from Apocalypse Now. The scene where they arrive at the Col's camp is just like the driveway interview. Seriously, find that interview and watch it and think of that movie scene. It bugged me for days because it reminded me of someone...then I remembered the movie scene and character.

His brother is batshit crazy, I'm thinking this runs in the family. I don't think this guy fits the normal liberal virtue signaling pattern. He might not have even been a full on liberal, but just tweaked. This guy was nuts and doesn't fit any of the normal profiles for a mass killer. If this theory is correct, the police won't figure it out.

The dad was crazy, some sort of bank robber, anti social type.

Even if crazy we lack the usual friends, neighbors and acquaintances that come out of the wood work to say on camera "I always thought there was something off about him, I thought he would do this....."

 

[atomic41]

You don't know what data they mined, remember this guys shit was shut down really quick vs others in the past, he could be full on male whore for Pelosi, Boxer and Maxine and you would not know it because they put a lid on his activities so quick, I don't think the LVPD has half the shit our criminal FBI has on this guy. Someone mentioned before that he might have been a government contractor and might have been doing a false flag, that would account for most of what has happened and the way the FBI is acting. I dont think the FB or the SWAMP would bat an eye in offing 500 citizens to get more control internally they are a proven evil bunch.

Possibly. But these are the days of basement dweller computer nerds that can hack anything and love to expose this type of stuff. There were powerful nerd teams all over this and they didn't come up with any evidence of that. Plus, the government fucks up everything they do. They would have made mistakes that exposed them.

Who knows, I have a feeling we won't ever find out the truth.

 

[308pirate]

@atomic41 you and the guy from England are making a lot of sense. Occam's razor......

Jerry's version is plausible but has more holes in it, as I agree that shit the gov does gets leaked sooner or later.

 

[Srgt. Hulka]

Don’t forget about his hard drive. I posted on another forum, after his house was broken into, that his computer hard drive would mysteriously disappear. And I’ll be damned if that prediction didn’t come true. Where is his hard drive? Who removed it from his computer? Remember, he was using his computer in the hotel room to monitor all of his cameras, yet, the FBI says they found it with the hard drive missing. This whole shooting and “investigation” stinks to high heaven. And I can assure you, we will never know the true motive of this guy, or the real, or whole, truth about this shooting.

 

[FS1]

If the LV guy was ANTIFA they would hide it for fear of revolt (shooting Civil War starts). They would hide it until the issue was resolved and the threat had been neutralized. Notice how quiet BLM and ANTIFA have been lately? Trump has this thing under control. Let him finish. Support him he is our only and last best chance. JMHO

 

[pmclaine]

Its a crazy conspiracy but the arms deal gone bad, Saudi connections, current political intriques in Saudia Arabia etc all just seem like such tin foil hat-eriffic material.


Just plain crazy makes sense too.

 

[Unknown]

What is interesting is that the majority of Americans have already moved on to the next news story, and largely left this story unresolved and in the past... somewhere between forgotten and "oh, well". I would still like answers, but as with prosecution of the Clintons, I won't hold my breath.

 

[pmclaine]

What is interesting is that the majority of Americans have already moved on to the next news story, and largely left this story unresolved and in the past... somewhere between forgotten and "oh, well". I would still like answers, but as with prosecution of the Clintons, I won't hold my breath.

50 people in Vegas dead, some hundreds wounded, is forgotten but the media reminds me almost daily that one woman was killed in Charlottesville.

Hmmmmm,

 

[LSUbeatUby40]

Here's a crazy theory. The guy was an illegal arms dealer (which is the real reason he had so much money), he was doing a deal at the LV hotel. The deal turns out to be some haji's or Antifa libs. They kill him, then carry out a mass murder. There are video's that show multiple muzzle flashes and certified people who have done acoustic analysis on the videos that (in their opinion) prove there were multiple shooters by timing the rifle reports on the videos.

Again just a theory.

 

[atomic41]

Here's a crazy theory. The guy was an illegal arms dealer (which is the real reason he had so much money), he was doing a deal at the LV hotel. The deal turns out to be some haji's or Antifa libs. They kill him, then carry out a mass murder. There are video's that show multiple muzzle flashes and certified people who have done acoustic analysis on the videos that (in their opinion) prove there were multiple shooters by timing the rifle reports on the videos.

Again just a theory.

If you're going to sell a truckload of guns to terrorists, (or anyone) are you going to haul them up to a hotel room with a shitload of ammo? No, you will meet them out in the desert and hand off without the massive risk of getting caught, and all that damn work hauling guns up and down all those floors.
None of those tinfoil hat videos of "expert opinions" are even plausible. And how does a team of hajis escape the army of police that have the entire hotel and surrounding area locked down. I'm just not buying this theory.

 

[LSUbeatUby40]

If you're going to sell a truckload of guns to terrorists, (or anyone) are you going to haul them up to a hotel room with a shitload of ammo? No, you will meet them out in the desert and hand off without the massive risk of getting caught, and all that damn work hauling guns up and down all those floors.
None of those tinfoil hat videos of "expert opinions" are even plausible. And how does a team of hajis escape the army of police that have the entire hotel and surrounding area locked down. I'm just not buying this theory.

You have no idea why someone would do what they do. Just because you would not do it, does not mean someone else would not. That's what makes it an interesting mystery.

 

[Rthur]

The absence of a motive tells you the probable motive.
If true it could unleash a shit storm.
I'm of the opinion this may be inevitable.

R

 

[whatmeworry_45]

I don't usually subscribe to most conspiracy theories out there. Sorry but, Oswald acted alone and just had unbelievable luck, and jet fuel will melt steel beams all day long, etc.etc.

But this whole LV episode has so much bullshit and fuckery surrounding it, I doubt we'll ever get the bottom of it. And, i don't know if we really even want to. But i agree, something stinks here.

Whatever the final report from this dumpster fire of an "investigation" ends up being, 1/4 of the kool-aid drinking population will discount out of hand. And, the 1/4 of the some other flavored kool-aid drinking folks will be up in arms, while the remaining 50% just could not care any less. Welcome to America.

 

[QuickNDirty]

I don't usually subscribe to most conspiracy theories out there. Sorry but, Oswald acted alone and just had unbelievable luck, and jet fuel will melt steel beams all day long, etc.etc.

But this whole LV episode has so much bullshit and fuckery surrounding it, I doubt we'll ever get the bottom of it. And, i don't know if we really even want to. But i agree, something stinks here.

Whatever the final report from this dumpster fire of an "investigation" ends up being, 1/4 of the kool-aid drinking population will discount out of hand. And, the 1/4 of the some other flavored kool-aid drinking folks will be up in arms, while the remaining 50% just could not care any less. Welcome to America.

But what about building 7? No jet fuel...

[video]

 

[whatmeworry_45]

Its Twin Towers, that one don't count

 

[combat45acp]

We most likely will never get the truth. Sad fact is you can not trust media, or the government that controls it.

 

[308pirate]

There are video's that show multiple muzzle flashes and certified people who have done acoustic analysis on the videos that (in their opinion) prove there were multiple shooters by timing the rifle reports on the videos.

Surely you must have them saved for all of us to see/read?

 

[LSUbeatUby40]

Surely you must have them saved for all of us to see/read?

You can find them on youtube using the search function. They are there. I watched a few different ones.

 

[308pirate]

You can find them on youtube using the search function. They are there. I watched a few different ones.

Digital photography and video editing mean that one must cast a very, very suspicious eye towards any "evidence" provided by a third party. Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see.

Know what I mean, Vern?

 

[LSUbeatUby40]

Digital photography and video editing mean that one must cast a very, very suspicious eye towards any "evidence" provided by a third party. Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see.

Know what I mean, Vern?

I get what you are saying. That's why I said it was an interesting mystery because no one really knows shit at this time.