No there is.......fuck the AFT. They don't make laws.....I WONT comply......period.
If it comes down to it.....my family knows what to do and so do I.......
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If it comes down to it.....my family knows what to do and so do I.......
Doc
I'm not worried about the ATF showing up, I'm am however amused by the amount of sky is falling paranoia that always is in these forums/posts on the ATF showing up and destroying people's lives and how illogical it is to be paranoid about one scenario with the ATF, but not about others. For example all the fear and paranoia about how the ATF is going to kick down your door if you register your braced pistol we see in all these posts, and how it's a trap, yet no one is worried about the fact that even if you toss the brace away the ATF could just as easily decide all those "pistol" uppers you have laying around could easily go on your AR "rifles" and make SBR's in seconds, but somehow those same folks think you'll be safe as long as you tell the nice officers you lost them all in a boating accident.
I guess that's why they call it paranoia, it's illogical.
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Basically the 5th Circuit has made an injunction for a few individuals saying that this is unconstitutional. The content creator believes that this will lead the way for this to become unconstitutional through out the US, but it will take time.
"Its not law."
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Neither was a mask mandate.
How did some police handle that?
Now apply that to your personal property.
You ain't getting it back.
As to registering your pistols. Dont give the pricks the satisfaction.
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Neither was a mask mandate.
How did some police handle that?
Now apply that to your personal property.
You ain't getting it back.
As to registering your pistols. Dont give the pricks the satisfaction.
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The break down is GOA is trying to use the last injunction to say that their injunction should be granted. HR 44 would nullify the rule by the ATF. However, it wont get through the Senate let alone FJB signing it. It is more so that the courts can see that the Congress didn't grant the ATF the ability to change the law. Basically it's just strategy if it gets to the supreme court.
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Another injunction filed today for the 2AF but once again, it only includes the plaintiffs, which is some BS.
I filed a couple of Form 1s - VZ.61 and a 5.56 pistol. Dems were smart... Jim Jordan was kicking ass and taking names with the ATF, so they hauled Trump into court and got Jim Jordan to play Whack-A-Mole. Because of that, It looks like we are running out of time.
I would have to venture to say that there are millions and millions out there that either do not know about this or simply don’t care, regardless of the theatre and games played..
Yes exactly and I bet there are a lot in the "don't care" camp that have decided to just go ahead and put a stock on it because fuck the AFT - if it's now a SBR, then it's a SBR. I've heard this said by a few people now so I'm guessing it's a natural gut reaction that is fairly common and will lead people to take action in a way that they would not normally.
I put a 16" barrel on a friends brace, while it went well, he's got a silly 16" 9mm braced gun. Shook my head.
Is he the only friend who is a "butter fudd" or is there more?
From the FPC News Release:
NEW ORLEANS, LA (May 26, 2023) — Today, Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC) released a statement on the Fifth Circuit’s Order clarifying that the Injunction Pending Appeal in Mock v. Garland applies to FPC’s members, Maxim Defense’s customers, and the individual plaintiffs’ resident family members. The order, along with other case documents, can be viewed at FPCLaw.org.
www.firearmspolicy.org
Here is the order:
https://assets.nationbuilder.com/fi...er_on_Motion_for_Clarification.pdf?1685129339
Here is an application to join the FPC:
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NEW ORLEANS, LA (May 26, 2023) — Today, Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC) released a statement on the Fifth Circuit’s Order clarifying that the Injunction Pending Appeal in Mock v. Garland applies to FPC’s members, Maxim Defense’s customers, and the individual plaintiffs’ resident family members. The order, along with other case documents, can be viewed at FPCLaw.org.
Fifth Circuit Clarifies that its Injunction Against ATF Pistol Brace Rule Covers FPC’s Members
Today, Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC) released a statement on the Fifth Circuit’s Order clarifying that the Injunction Pending Appeal in Mock v. Garland applies to FPC’s members, Maxim Defense’s customers, and the individual plaintiffs’ resident family members.
www.firearmspolicy.org
Here is the order:
https://assets.nationbuilder.com/fi...er_on_Motion_for_Clarification.pdf?1685129339
Here is an application to join the FPC:
Join FPC - Win a Custom "FPC" Glock from Rhino First Arms!
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Yeah that’s some bullshit. So our rights are pay for play now? How the fuck is this winning? Not acceptable.From the FPC News Release:
NEW ORLEANS, LA (May 26, 2023) — Today, Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC) released a statement on the Fifth Circuit’s Order clarifying that the Injunction Pending Appeal in Mock v. Garland applies to FPC’s members, Maxim Defense’s customers, and the individual plaintiffs’ resident family members. The order, along with other case documents, can be viewed at FPCLaw.org.
Fifth Circuit Clarifies that its Injunction Against ATF Pistol Brace Rule Covers FPC’s Members
Today, Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC) released a statement on the Fifth Circuit’s Order clarifying that the Injunction Pending Appeal in Mock v. Garland applies to FPC’s members, Maxim Defense’s customers, and the individual plaintiffs’ resident family members.
Here is the order:
https://assets.nationbuilder.com/fi...er_on_Motion_for_Clarification.pdf?1685129339
Here is an application to join the FPC:
Join FPC - Win a Custom "FPC" Glock from Rhino First Arms!
Join FPC - Win a Custom "FPC" Glock from Rhino First Arms!
At least it's an organization that fights for our rights. I renewed my membership, and every little bit helps.
Just joining isn't too much to ask to be covered by the injunction.
At least it's an organization that fights for our rights. I renewed my membership, and every little bit helps.
Just joining isn't too much to ask to be covered by the injunction.
At bare minimum the FPC deserves a donation for doing the work fighting for our rights. It's a no brainer.
I agree. They should get some donations but the fact that we are having to do this for innate rights is bullshit and I don’t like the way this is marketed. Our rights are nonnegotiable. Period. This is not winning. Where does it end?
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Join FPC - Win a Custom "FPC" Glock from Rhino First Arms!
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We are engaged in very, very, very serious LAWFARE. Criminals go unprosecuted and good folks go to prison. That is what is FUBAR'd my friend.
I will financially support the folks that can fight the fight in the courts because I cannot.
It ends with one of the parties in prison. God willing, it ain't gonna be me!
FPC donated into/CB joined/sight bookmarked for updates
Meh, seems to me FPC is becoming the NRA. Biggest hint, you shouldn’t have to be having these battles for innate rights, nor paying people to exercise them. Are we free or are we not? Do we have rights or do we have permissions? Doesnt say anything in the 2A about having to do any of this. That’s my stance.
If you are scared of your own gov, then our system without a doubt has failed to do the very thing it was intended to do.
You guys think if you go to the range and a cop pulls you over that he is going to know about this and check your FPC membership card and all be fine? 
You guys think if you go to the range and a cop pulls you over that he is going to know about this and check your FPC membership card and all be fine?
What are trying to say? Your first two posts, above, seem to imply that you would walk down Pennsylvania Avenue in D.C. with a FA SBR slung over your shoulder because it's your right and the consequences be damned.
Then your last posting, above, implies that we should all be afraid of LEOs and that a piece of paper, like the injunction, won't save us.
I'm not trying to pick a fight but really don't understand what you're implying?
Are you saying that we shouldn't bother fighting in the courts and should resort to open rebelllion?
Are you saying we should not do anything and lie prostrate while the government tramples on us?
From just reading your posts it appears that your saying that we're damned if we don't do something and we're damned if we do something?
I'd like to know if you have a better solution.
I have to believe that this preliminary injunction will open the door for an all-encompassing injunction that includes us all. The shitty part is, the case has to be brought properly and worded properly, and then the judge actually has to have the nuts to rule that way.
Until that happens, I really have to be in agreement with SilentStalkr.
Totally my opinion, but I think mass non-compliance does more than people think. I don’t know. It’s all extremely frustrating. I also realize none of us can afford to catch a stupid charge because we want to keep a piece of plastic on something with a barrel less than 16”.
Until that happens, I really have to be in agreement with SilentStalkr.
Totally my opinion, but I think mass non-compliance does more than people think. I don’t know. It’s all extremely frustrating. I also realize none of us can afford to catch a stupid charge because we want to keep a piece of plastic on something with a barrel less than 16”.
LOL so the 25$ I donated to FPC awhile back went to a good cause I guess. Get to keep my bullshit brace for a little while longer without registration.
Wait, was i supposed to get a membership card?You guys think if you go to the range and a cop pulls you over that he is going to know about this and check your FPC membership card and all be fine?
Must have missed the part in the constitution where it said I needed to pay 30 to have my rights.....
Just like where people donated tens of millions to get the kraken released......
Doc
Just like where people donated tens of millions to get the kraken released......
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Or the NRA ILA to get Wayne a new jet.
Part of me like 99.99% says fuck the ATF I will continue to use my legally bought products and I don't give a fuck what happens in the courts.
The other 00.01% knows that if it becomes law then most likely all manufactures will quit making said products which will in return mean that in time said products will be very hard to almost impossible to get and overall, that just sucks for the 2A and all of us.
The other 00.01% knows that if it becomes law then most likely all manufactures will quit making said products which will in return mean that in time said products will be very hard to almost impossible to get and overall, that just sucks for the 2A and all of us.
I wouldn't be surprised, and I'm not a lawyer, and I didn't stay in a Holiday Inn last night, if only members that were part of FPC at the time of the injunction (not joined after) would be covered. Either way I bet FPC's membership fund is very pleased with all those new sign ups and their membership marketing strategy.
With this horrible shit stain new “rule” now having a injunction against it - for FPC , members and Maximum defense and customers AND the 9-0 epa lose at SCOTUS because they simply can’t make up new bullshit insane rules - treat them as laws and include criminal penalties to accompany said new rules .
I’d really like to see this insane heavy handed unconstitutional act being struck down by the courts led to the repeal of the NFA and the GCA . Both terrible and unconstitutional and should have been challenged in court every year until they were destroyed.
I don’t have much faith in the courts /justice industry but it’s what I’d like to see.
I’d really like to see this insane heavy handed unconstitutional act being struck down by the courts led to the repeal of the NFA and the GCA . Both terrible and unconstitutional and should have been challenged in court every year until they were destroyed.
I don’t have much faith in the courts /justice industry but it’s what I’d like to see.
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I must confess, that I let my membership lapse. However, I signed up again yesterday.
With that said, if I'm not covered, it doesn't matter as I was happy to donate to a great organization that fights for our rights instead of buying new suits for its leaders.
You guys think if you go to the range and a cop pulls you over that he is going to know about this and check your FPC membership card and all be fine?
Again, this appears to be a very simplistic approach to a very complicated issue. Tell you what, I'll wait until you march down Pennsylvania Ave with your pistol that has the nasty illegal pistol brace on it. Once you tell them all about the 2A, I'm sure the LE in Washington DC will run away and make the ATF remove those mean words from their illegal proclamation. Let me know when you're going, I'll watch the news.
Something very interesting is brewing in the background on this. At least one of the 2A groups is talking about this (I forget which one). This can lead to a serious NFA challenge because of "in common use" of shorter barrels. When Massie asked the chief AFT thug, "how many people have registered" and the answer was, "I don't know", this was important to note. They don't want you to know because it will become clear real quick that these are in common use.
If pistol braces end up being considered SBRs while installed, then SBRs are without a doubt in very common use. The AFT's assault on the 2A is leading to a big backfire on them. There is potential to challenge the NFA/SBR with the current SCOTUS bench and the right people are looking at it.
If pistol braces end up being considered SBRs while installed, then SBRs are without a doubt in very common use. The AFT's assault on the 2A is leading to a big backfire on them. There is potential to challenge the NFA/SBR with the current SCOTUS bench and the right people are looking at it.
Being 45 years in age and given the fact I started shooting in Boy Scouts, I've given money to many pro 2A groups thru the years. Even though my local gun club is NRA affiliated, I helped get the Board to recognize non NRA Memberships. I have not cared about a single pro 2A group after talking with GOA. GOA is not too far behind the NRA when it comes to helping out Clubs. Most of these 2A groups are just a profit center like BLM.
Since I have 7 pistol braces, my first being 10yrs old, I figured why not help the little guy who told the ATF to pound sand. A $200 tax stamp on an SBR is ridiculous, as It can no longer be carried loaded in my vehicle. While I live in Michigan, I would rather push back on
our current Political Hacks than just roll over.
Since I have 7 pistol braces, my first being 10yrs old, I figured why not help the little guy who told the ATF to pound sand. A $200 tax stamp on an SBR is ridiculous, as It can no longer be carried loaded in my vehicle. While I live in Michigan, I would rather push back on
our current Political Hacks than just roll over.
The problem is that gun owners don't have a fuck the ATF mindset, otherwise we'd all have homemade SBRs and Silencers etc. Instead we have threads bragging about "my new can in jail right now".
