I think so too, especially with VV . I'm tempted to try some of their stuff because of who and how many I've seen talk about how good it is these daysAgree. Hodgdon taking advantage of their customers. Interestingly, I think Hodgdon's dominance in the LR precision market is rapidly diminishing with other manufacturers like VV, Alliant and others getting on board with temp insensitive powders and adding a de-coppering agent to boot. Personally, I'm headed away from Hodgdon. These tough times allow us to see just which manufacturers and suppliers are willing to stick it to their customers.