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I mean I ordered feom phone just log into your account on the website and checkout
I don't remember what the name of the group is. Someone here should though. It's been a while since I have used it but it's the only way I could get some things for a while there. It will work.
Anyone got the Discord channel or whatever for the bot or whatever it is that updates info so fast when the powder hits the websites?
Probably best not to be driving one handed while continuously refreshing the website…but worth it for cheap powder and Bergers
I think an invite link is needed, unless I’m doing something wrong I can’t find it
There is no invite link. I did not have one. I created an account and used the search function for reloading and set all the functions I wanted. Been running for 3ish years now.
Varget 63 a lb
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HODGDON POWDER CO., INC. Hodgdon Powder Varget - 1 lb SKU: 749003615 | Brownells
Check out the HODGDON POWDER CO., INC. Hodgdon Powder Varget - 1 lb SKU: 749003615 available Online at Brownells Today and many more Powder products are available in our Reloading Department.
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I don’t know discord very well but nothing comes up searching reloading or RLD. But from reading a little bit it seems some servers can’t be joined without an invitation and I assume this is now one of them.
Same for me and I have joined the reloading discord before. Could someone please post up the invite link again?
That’s what I paid at the LGS and thought it was way high compared to Hodgdon and especially some of the bigger mail order shops. But not to worry fellows….I have it good account that the economy miracles we have been seeing and are about to see, will find our income going up at double the inflation rate, with retroactive funds, probably in the mail….Varget 63 a lb
HODGDON POWDER CO., INC. Hodgdon Powder Varget - 1 lb SKU: 749003615 | Brownells
Check out the HODGDON POWDER CO., INC. Hodgdon Powder Varget - 1 lb SKU: 749003615 available Online at Brownells Today and many more Powder products are available in our Reloading Department.
Don’t hold your breath. Still, I would buy what I can from the LGS whatever they are charging when I am actually in that part of Louisiana. Its a long ways away actually, but no one else but Simmon’s in Bastrop sells reloading supplies in North Central and North East Louisiana. And when you look up Way Over Priced in the dictionary, it says, see Simmon’s.
Checked Academy for Large Rifle Primers this morning. Ordered 3k and more were still in stock. This was in the OKC area
How does the bot or whatever it is work with powder availability notification ect???? I just can't remember how to do all of this. Could you or anyone give a little summary of what people need to do to get the hard to find components ?
You have to select all the notifications you wish to receive. Powder, primers, projectiles etc. Then just follow your instock notifications
FWIW no websites are sending in stock notifications to me, just ShootingBot
That’s a different server, the link shared with us was for “the reloaders network” and you’re on “RLD” or reloading. I’ve been trying to figure it out and I don’t think the reloaders network offers the same bot notifications as RLD does.
Midsouth Shooters sent me another free hazmat for orders $99. Un fortunately they have not much to offer vs what I use.
Did some checking around the internet about where powders are manufactured. This, of course plays, into our prices and political regulation in the country they are made. I'm always asking why? And this answered some of my why. I do hate getting a very accurate load only to not find that powder anymore. i.e. H4895
Article was done I believe sometime in 2019. So some of the info may have changed. Verified parts of it from other sources. Thought you might find it interesting concerning the recent run up in prices and loss of some powders. Looks like Swedish powder is now more affordable
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St, Marks Florida. It's the onetime Olin Corp plant, now part of General Dynamics. It makes double-based ball powders only or those (Such as Hodgdon Hybrid 100V and some Alliant types) using the same slurry / distillation based process.
All Winchester and Hodgdon ball / 'spherical' grades are supplied by St. Marks as are nearly all propellants used in US military small arms ammo, the US government having decided way back in the 1950s with 7.62 adoption that this type would be the norm, sniper and special purpose ammo aside.
Ramshot / Accurate ball powder comes from PB Clermont in Belgium. Hodgdon extruded grades and IMR-8208 XBR from Thales / ADI in Mulwala, NSW, Australia. Other than 8208 XBR, IMR extruded rifle powders are also made by a General Dynamics Corp owned plant in Valleyfield, Ontario, Canada. (Hodgdon owns the IMR brand name and marketing rights IIRC.) This plant also makes some Accurate brand extruded numbers. All Vihtavuori powders come from the town of that name in Finland.
Alliant 'Reloder' extruded grades were all made by Bofors in Sweden until a few years ago, but some recent additions such as Re17 and Re33 are sourced from Nitrochemie Wimmins AG in Switzerland. Alliant has also started using spherical grades from St. Marks.
Health & Safety and the EPA is the primary reason that all extruded powders are made outside of the USA. Ball types manufacture uses non-inflammable / explosive slurries with material piped between processes until the little balls are distilled out at a late stage for chemical treatments and grading. This method also allows old out of date propellants to be recycled alongside fresh ingredients reducing costs.
Extruded powders start by dissolving cellulose in powerful acids, a dangerous exothermic process and whose products are immediately highly explosive and inflammable, then further inherently dangerous processes and solvents are used to convert 'guncotton' into usable propellants. Many of the materials used are corrosive and toxic, likewise creating waste and pollution issues that have to be dealt with nowadays, not just dumped into waste ground or rivers as would once have been done.
All this makes the manufacture of this type inherently riskier which in this day and age is also much more expensive. A guy in the handloading powder business stated years ago that the EPA hadn't banned extruded powder manufacture, but its regulations were so onerous that any such produced in the country, (USA), would be so expensive, nobody would buy them.
Extruded propellants are widely manufactured in Europe still, although many older plants have closed over the last 20-30 years. None at all are manufactured in the USA since the DuPont Corporation firstly moved propellant production to Canada then later sold that operation. No doubt, the American military's decision to switch to ball propellants was a major influence here as military demand is the largest single component of many explosive manufacturers' business. Nevertheless, the US market for sporting ammunition and her industry's manufacturing outputs probably exceeds all of that of Europe combined.
Yes, I know Europe has high safety and environmental standards - the UK has not manufactured propellants since the ICI Nobel plant in Scotland closed in the late 1980s or early 1990s. However, there is a big difference between having exacting regulations and having such that are so onerous that there might as well be a complete ban which is what my contacts in the American handloading powders business have told me about the EPA's attitudes to manufacturing this (extruded) form.
One area where the EC is becoming more restrictive than the US is fast appearing though. That is the EC REACH program which is steadily evaluating every chemical used and identifying risks to human health, then legally forcing their replacements with safer alternatives.
It is known that some traditional chemical burning rate deterrents and other such behavior modifiers long used in small arms propellants are deemed to be in the dangerous category, so many long established powders are now living on borrowed time. A little commented on element of the blurb about the new IMR Enduron powders is that they are 'environmentally friendly'. It actually goes a bit further than that as many existing powders will not be allowed to be sold in EC countries in a very few years time, nor will ammunition loaded with them. General Dynamics / IMR is getting itself geared up to this challenge with its new products. Once the new regulations start to apply no older long established IMR grades will be compliant, that also applying to many other makes. I don't know how this affects many existing European manufacturers other than Nitrochemie whose powders are already compliant, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if this doesn't sound the death knell for some as there is substantially more capacity than demand for powders, given the lack of wartime requirements, but western governments have long since stopped worrying about that.
So far at any rate, there seems to be no US equivalent to REACH in this field, so many older propellants will continue to be sold in this market, likewise loaded ammunition.?
Did some checking around the internet about where powders are manufactured. This, of course plays, into our prices and political regulation in the country they are made. I'm always asking why? And this answered some of my why. I do hate getting a very accurate load only to not find that powder anymore. i.e. H4895
Article was done I believe sometime in 2019. So some of the info may have changed. Verified parts of it from other sources. Thought you might find it interesting concerning the recent run up in prices and loss of some powders. Looks like Swedish powder is now more affordable
"
St, Marks Florida. It's the onetime Olin Corp plant, now part of General Dynamics. It makes double-based ball powders only or those (Such as Hodgdon Hybrid 100V and some Alliant types) using the same slurry / distillation based process.
All Winchester and Hodgdon ball / 'spherical' grades are supplied by St. Marks as are nearly all propellants used in US military small arms ammo, the US government having decided way back in the 1950s with 7.62 adoption that this type would be the norm, sniper and special purpose ammo aside.
Ramshot / Accurate ball powder comes from PB Clermont in Belgium. Hodgdon extruded grades and IMR-8208 XBR from Thales / ADI in Mulwala, NSW, Australia. Other than 8208 XBR, IMR extruded rifle powders are also made by a General Dynamics Corp owned plant in Valleyfield, Ontario, Canada. (Hodgdon owns the IMR brand name and marketing rights IIRC.) This plant also makes some Accurate brand extruded numbers. All Vihtavuori powders come from the town of that name in Finland.
Alliant 'Reloder' extruded grades were all made by Bofors in Sweden until a few years ago, but some recent additions such as Re17 and Re33 are sourced from Nitrochemie Wimmins AG in Switzerland. Alliant has also started using spherical grades from St. Marks.
Health & Safety and the EPA is the primary reason that all extruded powders are made outside of the USA. Ball types manufacture uses non-inflammable / explosive slurries with material piped between processes until the little balls are distilled out at a late stage for chemical treatments and grading. This method also allows old out of date propellants to be recycled alongside fresh ingredients reducing costs.
Extruded powders start by dissolving cellulose in powerful acids, a dangerous exothermic process and whose products are immediately highly explosive and inflammable, then further inherently dangerous processes and solvents are used to convert 'guncotton' into usable propellants. Many of the materials used are corrosive and toxic, likewise creating waste and pollution issues that have to be dealt with nowadays, not just dumped into waste ground or rivers as would once have been done.
All this makes the manufacture of this type inherently riskier which in this day and age is also much more expensive. A guy in the handloading powder business stated years ago that the EPA hadn't banned extruded powder manufacture, but its regulations were so onerous that any such produced in the country, (USA), would be so expensive, nobody would buy them.
Extruded propellants are widely manufactured in Europe still, although many older plants have closed over the last 20-30 years. None at all are manufactured in the USA since the DuPont Corporation firstly moved propellant production to Canada then later sold that operation. No doubt, the American military's decision to switch to ball propellants was a major influence here as military demand is the largest single component of many explosive manufacturers' business. Nevertheless, the US market for sporting ammunition and her industry's manufacturing outputs probably exceeds all of that of Europe combined.
Yes, I know Europe has high safety and environmental standards - the UK has not manufactured propellants since the ICI Nobel plant in Scotland closed in the late 1980s or early 1990s. However, there is a big difference between having exacting regulations and having such that are so onerous that there might as well be a complete ban which is what my contacts in the American handloading powders business have told me about the EPA's attitudes to manufacturing this (extruded) form.
One area where the EC is becoming more restrictive than the US is fast appearing though. That is the EC REACH program which is steadily evaluating every chemical used and identifying risks to human health, then legally forcing their replacements with safer alternatives.
It is known that some traditional chemical burning rate deterrents and other such behavior modifiers long used in small arms propellants are deemed to be in the dangerous category, so many long established powders are now living on borrowed time. A little commented on element of the blurb about the new IMR Enduron powders is that they are 'environmentally friendly'. It actually goes a bit further than that as many existing powders will not be allowed to be sold in EC countries in a very few years time, nor will ammunition loaded with them. General Dynamics / IMR is getting itself geared up to this challenge with its new products. Once the new regulations start to apply no older long established IMR grades will be compliant, that also applying to many other makes. I don't know how this affects many existing European manufacturers other than Nitrochemie whose powders are already compliant, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if this doesn't sound the death knell for some as there is substantially more capacity than demand for powders, given the lack of wartime requirements, but western governments have long since stopped worrying about that.
So far at any rate, there seems to be no US equivalent to REACH in this field, so many older propellants will continue to be sold in this market, likewise loaded ammunition.?
This is not the same server I found. Could you please find out the invite link for this server?
Thanks!! I just bought 1000.
These are some of the most accurate bullets out of my x47L....shoots equally as good as 135 A-Tips.
I'm from that area, and you are 100% spot on. Simmons is INSANE. Still never have spent a dime in that store. Diamond Gun has a few items, TP Outdoors (Monroe store) has a few items still, and Spotted Dog just north of Columbia carries powders at reasonable prices.
Diamond is where I go to. Terry and his family have always treated me perfect. When I worked in Monroe, it was easy to get to. Now, retired, it is a trip to get there, and normally don’t stop unless I am on my way back from Prince. Which is also quite a trip but well worth it. Decades ago, my first job was in Oak Grove and the people were so nice there, I always kicked myself for leaving.
Prince is also where I go to shoot. I only recently discovered they have a website, which I can lookup when they have matches going on. Wasted quite a few weekends driving up there just to turn around and go home because there are 100 people out there.
Diamond Gun is my spot. Ms Kathy and that family have always treated me the best.
Check your local Academy if you need LRP. I'm picking up a bunch of CCI 200s from my local store for in store pickup in 20 minutes.
and confirmed in stock in store, order picked up. Left a bunch sitting on the shelf for others.
and confirmed in stock in store, order picked up. Left a bunch sitting on the shelf for others.
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Do all academy's have em or normally have them anyway? I'm going to go check ours out.
I have not seen them in my local one forever. So naturally jumped on this. Would suggest the same if you need them. You can check stock on the website and see if it’s available for local store pickup today.
This is the shooting bot alert system also, for anyone who didn't get it that really needs to find some powder.
www.shootingbot.com
ShootingBOT Reloading Engine: Primers, Powder, Brass, Bullets
shootingBot : Search and Instant In-Stock notifications for modern day treasure: Primers, powder, bullets, brass and ammo
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This is what I’ve used. I buy a lot less than you guys but I’ve been able to get rl26 and magnum primers in the past few months using shooting bots telegram notificationsThis is the shooting bot alert system also, for anyone who didn't get it that really needs to find some powder.
ShootingBOT Reloading Engine: Primers, Powder, Brass, Bullets
shootingBot : Search and Instant In-Stock notifications for modern day treasure: Primers, powder, bullets, brass and ammo
Is it time to bring back "Less chit chat, more in-stock notifications!"?
Less chit chat, more in-stock notifications!
And because every time I do this, people give me shit for not posting a notification, so here you go:
www.midsouthshooterssupply.com
www.midsouthshooterssupply.com
And because every time I do this, people give me shit for not posting a notification, so here you go:
Hodgdon Varget Smokeless Gun Powder, 1 lb | Midsouth Shooters
Experience optimal performance with Hodgdon Varget Smokeless Powder. This load data improves accuracy for clean kills and is ideal for various calibers.
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Hodgdon H1000 Smokeless Powder 1 Lb
Hodgdon H1000 Smokeless Powder 1 Lb by HODGDON , IMR & WINCHESTERH1000™ This very slow burning Extreme Extruded stick powder is perfect for highly overbored magnums like the 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm STW and the 30-378 Weatherby. In addition, with heavy bullets, H1000 gives top velocity and...
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I don't think this is chit chat but if so I won't do it again so just say so.
Academy did have some primers but only pistol. They had some 1lb powder and 4350 was $50/lb
Academy did have some primers but only pistol. They had some 1lb powder and 4350 was $50/lb
Berger 109 Hybrids x 500ct at Midsouth
If "they" would get more stock of powder and primers, there would be less chit chat, and more links. It's their fault, not ours
Consider this partially a powder in stock post, and partially a pricing awareness post...
I think Alliant has found the price at which people are no longer willing to buy powder.
Powder Valley is still sitting on 267 8# jugs of RL16 at $475/ea, and they had 283 8# jugs in stock the evening of 2/18. That means they've only moved 16 jugs in about 5 days, which is crazy slow IMO... and they have no purchase limits per customer on RL16 (or AR-Comp for that matter) other than the 50# daily limit.
Meanwhile, Powder Valley still has lots of H4350 in stock at $390 for 8#-- but with a daily limit per customer of 2x 8# jugs.
Also, I see several vendors jumped their price this week on CCI 450s from $85/1k to about $100/1k. I bought a bunch of 450s just last weekend for $85/1k with free shipping and hazmat, and that same vendor is now out of stock but showing $99/1k for 450s.
Miwall still has 13x CCI 450s in stock for $86.50/1k as of this moment if anyone needs some.
I think Alliant has found the price at which people are no longer willing to buy powder.
Powder Valley is still sitting on 267 8# jugs of RL16 at $475/ea, and they had 283 8# jugs in stock the evening of 2/18. That means they've only moved 16 jugs in about 5 days, which is crazy slow IMO... and they have no purchase limits per customer on RL16 (or AR-Comp for that matter) other than the 50# daily limit.
Meanwhile, Powder Valley still has lots of H4350 in stock at $390 for 8#-- but with a daily limit per customer of 2x 8# jugs.
Also, I see several vendors jumped their price this week on CCI 450s from $85/1k to about $100/1k. I bought a bunch of 450s just last weekend for $85/1k with free shipping and hazmat, and that same vendor is now out of stock but showing $99/1k for 450s.
Miwall still has 13x CCI 450s in stock for $86.50/1k as of this moment if anyone needs some.
I’m only starting out on this journey, but that’s somewhat my reasoning for not stocking up on any of the VV powders in stock right now - they cost more than what my H1000 and H4350 stockpile cost. The price of Alliant is way beyond VV, I don’t shoot nearly well enough to justify whatever different Reloder powder might get me. I bought a single jug of RL16 on a whim last year, and I think it was around $50 less delivered than the retail prices I see.
PV, Bruno, Ultimate and more have VV565, 568, and 570 even.
Yes. They're about an hour from me and have been a big commercial reloader for many, many years now, you could either go and buy straight from them in person at their facility or buy from one of the many gun shows they attend. Their parking lot sales they hold a couple times a year draw large crowds.
It's only within the last few years they've had their website up and running for selling reloading components, but the company has been around and turning out good quality reloads since I initially started shooting back around 1999, and they've been around long before I started.
I agree. I love those kind of analysis.
The only good thing about it, and I’m hesitant to say this, is that when things are priced to match demand, you get a little bit of supply. And when you have a constant supply, you will stop the hoarding.
That solves a lot of problems for us honestly. I know guys that don’t even shoot that much who have enough powder to last them to mid century. Meanwhile, I’m scared to work up a load for RL 16 when I do find a pound because I’m afraid I won’t be able to keep a constant supply.
So yeah, the new normal prices suck but that’s how the rest of the economy works: prices are set so that supply and demand are relatively matched
The only good thing about it, and I’m hesitant to say this, is that when things are priced to match demand, you get a little bit of supply. And when you have a constant supply, you will stop the hoarding.
That solves a lot of problems for us honestly. I know guys that don’t even shoot that much who have enough powder to last them to mid century. Meanwhile, I’m scared to work up a load for RL 16 when I do find a pound because I’m afraid I won’t be able to keep a constant supply.
So yeah, the new normal prices suck but that’s how the rest of the economy works: prices are set so that supply and demand are relatively matched
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