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PVA Status Updates: Hancock Rifle & NUCLEUS Barreled Action
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Congratulations on your match results.
I know in a high stress situation it is very nice to take a break and recharge, especially if you would only be spinning your wheels otherwise.
I hope you eventually get a chance to catch your breath after the JHRs, barrels and tripods get caught up.
I know in a high stress situation it is very nice to take a break and recharge, especially if you would only be spinning your wheels otherwise.
I hope you eventually get a chance to catch your breath after the JHRs, barrels and tripods get caught up.
If you get a taker on this (which I suspect is likely) then no sweat. If you need to slide to the back of the list to help accomodate your build otherwise we can do that too.
Man, more whining in here than a at a college full of entitled millennials ... do we forget what actions were out there a decade ago? glass half full folks!!
Yeah, Savage and Remmy 700s have changed so much. Just kidding. No whining here but just wanted to share solid info with my fellow hide Southpaws. Next time I’ll just keep it all to myself as most millennial do.
I think I got a taker! Actually I got several takers, so it looks like I'll be giving my spot/order to someone else. We may try to contact you guys tomorrow to sort it out. Thank you for supporting your customers despite the busy release!!
I’m getting paranoid that the email to pay the balance after my deposit came and I didn’t see it... lol
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Just to update my prior comments
My 223 barrel arrived yesterday, thanks. Had a thread protector I won’t ever use but that’s alright, free stuff is great.
Just to update my prior comments
My 223 barrel arrived yesterday, thanks. Had a thread protector I won’t ever use but that’s alright, free stuff is great.
Standard product offering, all the threaded barrels come with thread protectors on them. Less chance of damage in shipping and we make them in house.
@bohem FedEx delivered just now. Thanks Josh and PVA team. Off to Paul at Precision for fluting on Monday.
So if PVA needs 10 weeks to chamber and LRI can do it in 4 days, is anyone switching their orders?
Hope this helps the Barloc guys. I started a new thread on the Nucleus for videos. Check it out. I was one that thought the Criterion would not fit with the Savage action and Barloc.
Both Shillen and Criterion prefits work with the full Barloc on both the Savage and Nucleus action.
Both Shillen and Criterion prefits work with the full Barloc on both the Savage and Nucleus action.
Yes, very helpful videos to demonstrate how that works, thank you sir.
Would love a video of you installing the criterion pre-fit on the nucleus with the barloc and doing the headspace. Also curious why your go gauge dummy round had a bullet since headspace is off the shoulder?
Would love a video of you installing the criterion pre-fit on the nucleus with the barloc and doing the headspace. Also curious why your go gauge dummy round had a bullet since headspace is off the shoulder?
The bullet doesn't touch anything, so it doesn't affect headspace. The chamber still hits the shoulder for headspace. I just used it cause it was there. I posted some more videos, showing me tearing down the Nucleus and putting it back together. I probably would have done that even without doing the videos... hope the continue to help.
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I had the Shillen prefit on my nucleus. I'v done a couple more showing cycling off a bipod and another off bags. The Criterion and Shillen prefits are so close it doesn't make a difference between them they will both work.
You can find them on the other "Nucleus Videos" thread and on a channel I started on Youtube called Long Range Student.
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I’m sure that most, or all, of y’all got the email today. In case you didn’t, here’s Jeremy’s update on the JHR.
All,
The projects mentioned above are as follows:
John Hancocks - we are waiting on the marking variance. There is a paperwork love triangle going on and we have not gotten approval for it yet. We have weekly calls about it with the ATF but we do not yet have the approval.
The actions for the first 80 JHR's are sitting at American Rifle awaiting approval so that we can burn them with the laser marking and then finishing.
When we get an update/approval trust me, everyone will know.
I was hoping for good news when I saw the email. But no. Looks like the ATF is giving them a screwing and the runaround.
I reluctantly and painfully cancelled my trip to The Whittington Center in New Mexico today. Maybe next year.
Edit: I forgot to add, thank you Jeremy for the update. It is appreciated.
All,
The projects mentioned above are as follows:
John Hancocks - we are waiting on the marking variance. There is a paperwork love triangle going on and we have not gotten approval for it yet. We have weekly calls about it with the ATF but we do not yet have the approval.
The actions for the first 80 JHR's are sitting at American Rifle awaiting approval so that we can burn them with the laser marking and then finishing.
When we get an update/approval trust me, everyone will know.
I was hoping for good news when I saw the email. But no. Looks like the ATF is giving them a screwing and the runaround.
I reluctantly and painfully cancelled my trip to The Whittington Center in New Mexico today. Maybe next year.
Edit: I forgot to add, thank you Jeremy for the update. It is appreciated.
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Thanks for the post Srgt. Hulka. I’ve got a barreled action on order so I didn’t get that email.
You might check your spam folder...I have a Nucleus BA on order and also received that email update.
BoilerUp is correct. There was also an update on the barreled receivers in the email as well. I will try to post the whole email.
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All,
The projects mentioned above are as follows:
John Hancocks - we are waiting on the marking variance. There is a paperwork love triangle going on and we have not gotten approval for it yet. We have weekly calls about it with the ATF but we do not yet have the approval.
The actions for the first 80 JHR's are sitting at American Rifle awaiting approval so that we can burn them with the laser marking and then finishing.
When we get an update/approval trust me, everyone will know.
Nucleus Group Buy barrels - many folks have received their barrels. Mostly the 6.5 Creed, 6 Creed and 6x47's. We are working on the tail end of the 6.5 Creeds and starting 6.5x47's this week.
The marking variance delay has upended the plans initially set out. Since the first 50 Nucleus receivers were supposed to be Hancocks we cut a lot of Hancock barrels. When the delays on the Marking Variance came up we switched gears and started on teh GB barrels since it looked likely that Nucleii were going to start shipping to regular customers before the paperwork came through.
We did a pretty good job of getting through those but like everything the time and parts are critical path and we're burning through GB barrels as fast as we can for folks that have Nucleus actions in hand already.
So much effort went into doing these barrels that we sidestepped making action wrenches for the Nucleus like originally planned in order to get the barrels done. ARC is making them in house and we're buying wrenches so that customers will have them as promised and we will have barrels nearly as promised.
The Nucleus Barreled Action barrels are coming up after the GB barrels but those are being mated to actions that are not being shipped to customers, since we don't have any of those yet we kept pace on the GB's and didn't move to the BA barrels.
We don't have an estimate as to when we're getting the first actions for the BA's, we did send a spreadsheet with timestamps on orders to the second and ARC is integrating those orders into their flow to fulfill them.
The deals that go along with the Hancock rifles and the sending in of FFL's for all barreled actions will be dealt with when it gets closer to delivery. No need to let us know ahead of time.
As always we're still cutting our usual replacement barrels for other receivers and we have the new turning center cranking away about 11 hours a day between Jeremy and Josh.
Action wrenches: We have Mausingfield, Tikka, Bighorn, Savage, Remington and DTA wrenches on the shelf; black and lasered up for immediate shipment.
Mag kits for AICS and Accurate with Dasher and BR variants are on the shelf. ARC mag kits are being resupplied in the next week or so.
Our muzzle brakes are on the shelf and ready to ship as well.
We are also accepting pre-orders for our new carbon fiber tripods and ballheads here: http://patriotvalleyarms.com/rifle-parts-accessories/tripods/
As things progress or change we will update further.
Thank you,
The Team @ PVA
Patriot Valley Arms
792 Dorlan Mill Road
Downingtown, PA 19335
Shop: (405) 753-0608
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I got the email as well. Was nice to get a preemptive update regarding statuses.
yup, good to get an update but disappointed that the barreled actions, which I ordered, don't have a rough ETA yet. I guess I mistakenly assumed they would be treated similarly to JHR orders in terms of priority. my bad there as it was never stated that way. Glad it was only a deposit but I am now considering selling my spot to someone else.
Is that right? I sent a email a few months back and never got a response. Do they pick up the phone if you call?
I didn't get an email in my spam Folder but I have a receipt so I know they've got my email correct. I'll follow up with that.
Thanks again for posting that email.
I think the Nucleus BA orders are being treated with the same priority as the JHR. It makes sense that PVA made an initial purchase of actions for only JHRs and then each BA purchase was behind that initial action order for the JHR. The JHR is a unique product being brought to market separate from a Nucleus BA. What I understand from that email is that once ARC meets that initial action order to cover a set number of JHRs then all orders beyond that (JHR or BA) are solely based on when they were ordered and no longer separated. But, maybe I'm wrong.
The other way to do things would have been to not make an initial order of actions and as each JHR or BA was preordered then PVA would place an order for that action with ARC. I think that would have slowed things down considerably for those purchasing a JHR though it would have a negligible impact on those purchasing a BA.
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PVA could have made a much larger order of actions to accommodate the both the JHR and BA up front. That however would take a lot more cash on their part and it would have been a risky venture.
Thanks again for posting that email.
I think the Nucleus BA orders are being treated with the same priority as the JHR. It makes sense that PVA made an initial purchase of actions for only JHRs and then each BA purchase was behind that initial action order for the JHR. The JHR is a unique product being brought to market separate from a Nucleus BA. What I understand from that email is that once ARC meets that initial action order to cover a set number of JHRs then all orders beyond that (JHR or BA) are solely based on when they were ordered and no longer separated. But, maybe I'm wrong.
The other way to do things would have been to not make an initial order of actions and as each JHR or BA was preordered then PVA would place an order for that action with ARC. I think that would have slowed things down considerably for those purchasing a JHR though it would have a negligible impact on those purchasing a BA.
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PVA could have made a much larger order of actions to accommodate the both the JHR and BA up front. That however would take a lot more cash on their part and it would have been a risky venture.
The BA buyers are not being treated in the same manner as the JHR buyers. Per the update PVA has 80 actions sitting ready and waiting for engraving at ARC, for JHR buyers. The BA buyers have to wait until their action comes up in production sequence with ARC based on the order date. My order date for my BA I know would fall in with the 1st batch of JHR production, and there are actions sitting and waiting, but I will not be allocated one of these already produced actions. I'll live, but I think my deposit is just as legit as a JHR buyer. One of the reasons for going with PVA was that I knew they had an initial order in and would get the first batch of actions. It's really annoying when they could be completing orders for people they have the parts on hand to finish.
That was my apparent misunderstanding as well. I thought buying a barreled action through PVA would put me in a spot in terms of the waiting list. I'm now understanding that my impression was wrong. That's on me and I'm not blaming anyone for for it. Who knows, maybe this will save me money
My 6.5CM TAC A1, which I bought only when I realized the Nucleus wait time would be 1/2 year+ from my Feb order date, is a tack driver and my 300NM MPR has already arrived as well. I'm not sure if I need to keep my 6CM Nucleus w/Barloc order or sell my place to someone else. As much as I like what I'm hearing/reading about the action w/barloc and PVA barrels, its getting harder to justify keeping, and I'm usually very good at justifying even totally unnecessary items.
I don't think that's quite what happened. The JHR's required a minimum commitment from Josh in order to get the ball rolling to even create the Nucleus. Sounds like Josh committed to 80 actions in that JHR batch, which ARC built and is now holding, waiting for the ATF marking variance (government paperwork is a pain in the ass). The JHRs were committed months before the announcement of the Nucleus from either outfit.
ARC opened up pre-orders for the Nucleus action on Jan 16. I'm pretty certain that PVA announced Nucleus barreled actions two days later? Jeremy at PVA indicated they forwarded the PVA BA buyers list with accuracy down to the second for orders and that ARC is going to fit that list into their process. My assumption is ARC will combine those lists and move forward using a consolidated list. Again, this is an assumption based on what Jeremy's email contained.
Essentially the current outbound Nucleii from ARC are all pre-orders directly through the ARC website which were all ordered before the PVA BA opened up. The JHR's shouldn't even be considered here, those actions are built and were coordinated/purchased before the pre-orders even opened up from either ARC or PVA.
Full disclosure, I already have a nucleus in hand. I ordered directly through ARC because on day one PVA's website didn't have any indication they were involved with the Nuclues. I would have preferred to go the PVA BA route, but already had the non-refundable deposit down with ARC. Either way, I think Ted and Josh are both stand up guys and I'm happy with their collaboration. I think the roll-out/announcement could have been coordinated better to benefit both outfits, but at the same time I'm not terribly excited about huge marketing budgets and hype around products, which inevitably happens when focusing more on the optics of a product than the actual product.
I'm quite certain PVA understands your sentiment "It's really annoying when they could be completing orders for people they have the parts on hand to finish." more than you do yourself.
You are wrong here.
The JHR is a private labeled action, it cannot be used for a Nucleus barreled action per ATF requirement and per my agreement with Ted.
Your deposit for a BA doesn't get you in line for a JHR receiver, they're different products and not interchangeable.
You have no idea... the amount of time spent on paperwork and chasing down answers on said paperwork is worth close to 40 barreled actions worth of time that could have been spent on other things. You know, like completing barreled actions. Factor in that the $250 deposit covers about 1/6th of the currently outlayed costs for parts like triggers, stocks, barrel blanks, our machine and man hours for muzzle brakes and thread protectors... patience with "paperwork delays" is wearing thin in a lot of places.
Nailed it.
THe reason ARC stopped at 80 receivers is because we were getting the runaround on papework; Ted and I talked and I told him to just get other folks' stuff running, 80 receivers will keep us busy while you can make the next 20.
And whomever said something about coordinating Nucleii deliveries to PVA against the time stamp of the order also nailed it. We've said that a bunch of times in places like this thread, other threads on this forum, facebook, instagram, videos, interviews... that approach is far from a secret. ARC and PVA made a committment to the extra hassle of doing it that way to be more fair to the end customers. We were also very open and transparent about it.
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Folks
We're getting a number of requests for the Hancock to offer 6.5 PRC
Right now we have it available in 6.5 SAUM but have sold exactly 2 of them, one guy ordered a barrel and another guy ordered a rifle.
With the number of requests for a 6.5 short action magnum sized case counted up it's pretty much ALL 6.5 PRC's. We are considering changing the caliber offerings over to include the PRC.
Any thoughts on it?
We're getting a number of requests for the Hancock to offer 6.5 PRC
Right now we have it available in 6.5 SAUM but have sold exactly 2 of them, one guy ordered a barrel and another guy ordered a rifle.
With the number of requests for a 6.5 short action magnum sized case counted up it's pretty much ALL 6.5 PRC's. We are considering changing the caliber offerings over to include the PRC.
Any thoughts on it?
I think the 6.5 PRC is more appealing than the 6.5 SAUM due to factory ammo/brass. I didn't do the JHR so take my comments with that in mind, but I have a magnum bolt face on order for my nucleus specifically so you can put a 6.5 PRC in front of it at some point.
On one hand, Prime did just launch 6.5 SAUM ammo and I'd assume that means someone is going to be announcing brass soon. On the other hand I think the PRC is going to have a greater chance of mainstream acceptance. Hornady backing, nonrebated rim for feeding from box mags, factory ammo available at local stores, cheaper dies (I picked up a Hornady match busing die on Amazon for $21, standard set is $45) and the performance was close enough for me to lean that way.
Looking forward to hunting the #2 barrel in 6.5 PRC I ordered from you after chatting yesterday morning. For my purposes it was the right pick.
Looking forward to hunting the #2 barrel in 6.5 PRC I ordered from you after chatting yesterday morning. For my purposes it was the right pick.
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