Rifle Scopes Ranging with NF NP-R1

[Cavscout91]

The NF NP-R1 reticle is in the second focal plane therefore only effective for range estimation at a given power setting which is 22. If I set the power to 11 does this allow me to use the reticle to range if I divide by 2. E.g. Each hash mark is 1 MOA on 22 power, on 11 power would each hash mark be .5MOA?

It works in my mind!!!! Not sure if it does on the range.

 

[spot69221]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

Ever notice why it's a 5.5-22x?

1 MOA @ 22x
2 MOA @ 11x
Your turn
? MOA @ 5.5x

 

[The Mechanic]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

Yes you range from the 22X You may change the power zoom ring setting to increase the
M.O.A. spacing between marks on the reticle. Halving the power
doubles the distance. For example with the 5.5-22x the spacing is
1 M.O.A. between the horizontal lines, at 11x the spacing becomes
2 M.O.A., which will allow you to range larger or closer targets more
easily.
Even a very simple reticle design such as the NP-1, can still be used
for limited ranging of some targets. The distance between the center
of the reticle and the beginning of the thicker line at the 6:00
position is 2 M.O.A at 22x. This could be used to range a target that
was 20” high at 1000 yards. By changing the power zoom to 5.5x
the spacing becomes 8 M.O.A., which could be used to range a 16”
target at 200 yards, a 48” target at 600 yards or an 80” target at
1000 yards.

 

[Cavscout91]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

Answer: 4 MOA at 5.5 power. I hope my brain is working the right way!! So simple I feel dumb now.

 

[nat1d]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

Not that it is hard, however, that is why I am dispensing with a second focal plane and getting a first focal plane; just one less thing to think about during ranging exercises.

 

[EricCartmann]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

It's very exact for NF scopes. I do it all the time, that is why the only settings I use is 22x, 11x, and 5.5x.

Just yesterday I was looking at a lifted truck:
- In 22x mode, the truck was 9 NPR-1-hashmarks high(1 hash = 1 MOA)
- In 11x mode, the same truck was 4.5 NPR-1-hashmarks high(1 hash = 2 MOA)
- In 5.5x mode, the same truck was 2.25 NPR-1-hashmarks high (1 hash = 4 MOA).

As you can see in all cases the truck is 9 MOA high no matter how you look at it.

I estimate a lifted truck like this to be about 7ft high (84"). 84/10 = only 8.4 MOA (1000 yards)... 84/9 is about 9.3 MOA (900 yards)... so that means the truck was about 930 yards away

This another reason I like MOA reticles, I know how to range them! This is because I am an American I think in inches and yards.

And this is another reason why I don't think FFP is worth the extra cost. Because 3 mag levels (5.5, 11, and 22) is more than plenty for me.

Sorry for the non-ansel-adams blurry pics.. but these are not art, and just reference

NF in 22x

NF in 11x

NF in 5.5x

 

[EricCartmann]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

BTW, I don't mean to offend anyone.

I know not-Needing-FFP and preferring MOA over Mils is not the norm around here. Before the insults fly, I am heading back to the basement room now (at Mom's house) where I will be building barricades out of legos with little ports in them so I can practice shooting off hand.. because as I learned from here..

shooting off hand makes me cool.

 

[Glocksteady]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

It would be great if someone could post the same basic shots with FFP in this thread as a comparison for other shooters. I, personally, do not like the shrinking reticle. For me they get too hard to read at lower magnification. They block out the target and the subtensions get too hard to use accurately for precision shooting.

 

[branson1369]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

Please send me the plans for the leggos as I use my NF the same way and yes run MOA/MOA. But it seems I am behind the curve on barracade building

 

[EricCartmann]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: branson1369</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please send me the plans for the leggos as I use my NF the same way and yes run MOA/MOA. But it seems I am behind the curve on barracade building </div></div>

I am working on the blue prints now. I have to figure out how to use AutoCad again (last one I used was about 18 years ago) so I can get this right.

Here is a NF 22x with illumination on at the crack of Dawn

Up in the mornin right be for dawn
Roll out of bed and put my shiny boots on
Eat my breakfast too damn soon
Hungry as hell by noon
Went to the mess hall on my knees
"Mess Sergeant, Mess Sergeant feed me please!"
Mess Sergeant said with a big ol'grin
"If you wanna be Infantry you gotta be thin"

 

[tylerw02]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
This another reason I like MOA reticles, I know how to range them! This is because I am an American I think in inches and yards.
</div></div>

Exactly what does using an MOA reticle vs a mil reticle have to do with inches and yards?

 

[427Cobra]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

Get a Mildot Master, YES it will work, use the sliding scale on the right to match up MOA and size of target, read the range on the left.

 

[EricCartmann]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Get a Mildot Master, YES it will work, use the sliding scale on the right to match up MOA and size of target, read the range on the left. </div></div>

another thing to carry that I don't want to carry

 

[EricCartmann]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
This another reason I like MOA reticles, I know how to range them! This is because I am an American I think in inches and yards.
</div></div>

Exactly what does using an MOA reticle vs a mil reticle have to do with inches and yards? </div></div>

The stars just seem to line up perfectly if you have an MOA reticle when you are an American and think in inches and yards.... and you see an object down range that you are familiar with, familiar enough to know the size of it, but have never ranged it before until that moment in time.. now if I may quote Shania Twain..

"From this moment, life has began, from this moment on, you are the one, that I know how to range, from this moment on..."

 

[427Cobra]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

Whatever

 

[EricCartmann]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Whatever </div></div>

Not trying to convert anyone. Do what works for you.

 

[matchking]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

What about the fact that the NP-R1 isn't in inches?

 

[427Cobra]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Whatever </div></div>

Not trying to convert anyone. Do what works for you. </div></div>

I got both Eric, both work equally as well with ranging but with holds Mils smokes MOA, and holds are the meat and potatoes of this type of shooting.

 

[VJJPunisher]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

mils can suck it

 

[tylerw02]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: matchking</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What about the fact that the NP-R1 isn't in inches? </div></div>

^THIS

 

[killerwaffles]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VJJPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mils can suck it </div></div>

Word!

 

[EricCartmann]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: matchking</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What about the fact that the NP-R1 isn't in inches? </div></div>

^THIS

</div></div>

It's in MOA, a type of angle measurement that for whatever reasons works great with inches and yards.

 

[tylerw02]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: matchking</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What about the fact that the NP-R1 isn't in inches? </div></div>

^THIS

</div></div>

It's in MOA, a type of angle measurement that for whatever reasons works great with inches and yards. </div></div>


So do mils. Whats your point? Its MOA, which has nothing to do with inches, yards, centimeters, or meters.

 

[EricCartmann]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: matchking</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What about the fact that the NP-R1 isn't in inches? </div></div>

^THIS

</div></div>

It's in MOA, a type of angle measurement that for whatever reasons works great with inches and yards. </div></div>


So do mils. Whats your point? Its MOA, which has nothing to do with inches, yards, centimeters, or meters.
</div></div>


For you I have no point. You are stuck on your thinking and I am not even going to try to change how you think.

For me MOA-inches-yards is a relationship that works great together. Just like how peanut-butter works great with jelly... I know we can use peanut butter for anything, even bananas.. You seem like a smart guy, I am sure you can even figure out a way to use peanut butter with Mils.

There are many ways to make angular adjustments. There are many ways to range. For me personally, I measure objects by inches, feet and yards.. when I see an object down range I know is 60 inches, and it measures 8.5 MOA in my scope.. well this translate great to the MOA system I use. Since I know 60 inches @1000 yards =~ 6 MOA.

Now knowing that, that means same object is:
-6 MOA at 1000 yards
-12 MOA at 500 yards (doubled the above measurement)
-9 MOA at 750 yards (went halfway between 6 and 12)

9 is very close to 8.5 and I know 9 is 750 yards. So I quickly estimated object to be about 770 yards away. No calculator needed, and I betcha I came very close!

See how I used this relationship of MOA, inch, and yards? Now if you have a system that uses Mils, peanut butter, and kryponite and it works, I suggest you keep on using it.

 

[tylerw02]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

Wow, what a joke...

Or a two yard target is two mils at 1,000 yards.

Or a one yard target is one mil at 1,000 yards.

Or a two yard target is four mils at 500 yards.

Or a one yard target is two mils at 500 yards.

or 18" plates are half a mil at 1,000 yards.

Or 18" plates or 1 mil at 500 yards.

But who gives a crap? Who uses their reticle to range that often? That's what lasers are for. Reticles are primarily for holds and corrections....and are merely a backup for ranging (or on stages that require you to use a reticle).

OMG! I didn't examine and demonstrate the relationship of yards/inches/mils did I?????????? OMG! I didn't use the three most common target sizes did I? HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE WITHOUT CONVERTING TO MOA FIRST?@?!?!?!?!??!?! MAJIK THAT'S HOW!!!!!!

 

[EricCartmann]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow, what a joke...

Or a two yard target is two mils at 1,000 yards.

Or a one yard target is one mil at 1,000 yards.

Or a two yard target is four mils at 500 yards.

Or a one yard target is two mils at 500 yards.

or 18" plates are half a mil at 1,000 yards.

Or 18" plates or 1 mil at 500 yards.

But who gives a crap? Who uses their reticle to range that often? That's what lasers are for. Reticles are primarily for holds and corrections....and are merely a backup for ranging. </div></div>


2 yard target? Awesome!

I like 1's. You don't like 1's? 1 MOA = 10" @1000 yards. That's a good reference point for me, and what I like to work off of. If you don't like it that I like 1's, please send me an essay why and I promise to pin it on my refrigerators, and just for you I may change.

Well you don't have to use your reticle to range, or to measure things. It's just another data point that is fun to use. Not that it makes it more accurate, but is nice to know sometimes how big your groups are in inches instead of MOA.

Again YMMV.

BTW: If someone asks me "how far is a car away if it is 1.6 mils high?"... I would answer multiply that number by 3.6 first, then I will tell you. But if they asked me how far is that car away if it 8.5 MOA high? Then I could answer without making them multiply anything. ...that's because I have a system I know and works for me.

Please Discuss.

 

[tylerw02]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

BTW: If someone asks me "how far is a car away if it is 1.6 mils high?"... I would answer multiply that number by 3.6 first, then I will tell you. But if they asked me how far is that car away if it 8.5 MOA high? Then I could answer without making them multiply anything. ...that's because I have a system I know and works for me.

Please Discuss. </div></div>

In other words you don't understand how to use mil-rads for ranging. That's ok. Its an easy system. If you apply yourself you can learn, too!

 

[EricCartmann]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

BTW: If someone asks me "how far is a car away if it is 1.6 mils high?"... I would answer multiply that number by 3.6 first, then I will tell you. But if they asked me how far is that car away if it 8.5 MOA high? Then I could answer without making them multiply anything. ...that's because I have a system I know and works for me.

Please Discuss. </div></div>

In other words you don't understand how to use mil-rads for ranging. That's ok. Its an easy system. If you apply yourself you can learn, too!
</div></div>

Why should I re-learn when I have a system that already works? I have a system that works for me. I even can measure the size of unknown objects after putting a couple rounds down range (again based on moa/inches/yards).

Is it important to you that I convert?

Please Discuss.

 

[tylerw02]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

I could care less if you learn it. But you do NOT need to convert to MOA to use milrads.

 

[EricCartmann]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I could care less if you learn it. But you do NOT need to convert to MOA to use milrads. </div></div>

It seems like you do care. Why do you care so much?

Please Discuss.

 

[tylerw02]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

Things must not be what they seem. I'm only here to correct your false information such as one must convert to MOA before using mils.

 

[EricCartmann]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Things must not be what they seem. I'm only here to correct your false information such as one must convert to MOA before using mils. </div></div>

Not at all. The Cartmann way is not necessarily the best way, but it is a way that works for Cartmann.

You don't have to convert to MOA from Mils, Parsecs, or even right before making the jump to hyperspace either.

Cartmann likes his MOA system that utilizes inches and yards. Cartmann's also memorizes a drop table in yards.

So now lets get back to converting Cartmann to the awesome Mil system, even though Cartmann has something he already uses that works great for him.

 

[tylerw02]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

Nobody is trying to convert you. Use whatever works, but the fact of the matter is there is absolutely no reason to convert between mils and moa. Nor does moa have any advantage when working in yards.

 

[EricCartmann]

Re: Ranging with NF NP-R1

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nobody is trying to convert you. Use whatever works, but the fact of the matter is there is absolutely no reason to convert between mils and moa. Nor does moa have any advantage when working in yards. </div></div>

So it's ok if Cartmann uses MOA, inches, and yards?