Rifle Scopes Reticle information on the Horus Vision H2

[mtang45]

I picked up an older Horus Vision Falcon 4-16x50 with the H2 reticle a few weeks ago; very nice scope. What I need is specific information on the older H2 reticle design.

I called Horus Vision and talked with a very professional and courteous young lady named Michelle who did some digging but was unable to come up with any old information about a scope that was discontinued 6 years ago.

So I'm hoping that someone here has a manual that they would be willing to copy or maybe already have it it in pdf format.

Thanks

 

[toddconley]

Re: Reticle information on the Horus Vision H2

Can u post some ret pics?

 

[mtang45]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: toddconley</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can u post some ret pics?
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Here ya go

 

[shootist2004]

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you actually got someone to answer the phone? amazing!
it looks like every other horus reticle...what do you want to know?

 

[BapZander]

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Why did they leave the upper right open?

 

[DWood]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BapZander</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why did they leave the upper right open? </div></div>

They didn't. The L shape on the left is used to range the target. Everything else is the reticle with holdovers and windage holds.

They just as easily could have put the ranging grid on the right.

 

[DWood]

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This may help:

http://www.riflemanconsulting.com/files/Horus_Reticles_101.pdf

 

[tipper]

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The reticle is MOA
The ranging grid may be IPHY or MOA not sure
Are the adj MOA

 

[DWood]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tipper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The reticle is MOA
The ranging grid may be IPHY or MOA not sure
Are the adj MOA </div></div>

Seems like Horus has phased out almost all MOA reticles. From Horus for all current reticles: All reticle grids are in MIL Radians, except the H70 which is in SMOA.

I had an H25 in a USO; can't remember if the ranging grid was IPHY or MOA, but it was definitely not mil. The reticle was definitely mil. The Horus is meant for rapid follow up using the mil "tree" to hold elevation and wind.

 

[mtang45]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tipper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The reticle is MOA
The ranging grid may be IPHY or MOA not sure
Are the adj MOA </div></div>

Tipper, how can you tell the reticle is in MOA? The turrets are labeled MOA, but what gives away the reticle?

Since this is my first Horus reticle scope I guess I freaked a little not having any docs. The link posted above for the Horus 101 was considerable help and the reticle became pretty self explanatory. The only question I have left is the numbers on the left side of the christmas tree, next to the MIL elevation lines; what do those numbers represent?

 

[Drifter™]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mtang45</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The only question I have left is the numbers on the left side of the christmas tree, next to the MIL elevation lines; what do those numbers represent?

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Inches.

 

[mtang45]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Drifter_1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mtang45</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The only question I have left is the numbers on the left side of the christmas tree, next to the MIL elevation lines; what do those numbers represent?

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Inches. </div></div>

Inches?? At what, 100 yards? Granted this is an early reticle from Horus, but why would they put inches representing a fixed distance and defeat the whole purpose of their reticle?

Drifter, not disputing what you said, just confused as to why.

 

[tipper]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mtang45</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Drifter_1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mtang45</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The only question I have left is the numbers on the left side of the christmas tree, next to the MIL elevation lines; what do those numbers represent?

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Inches. </div></div>

Inches?? At what, 100 yards? Granted this is an early reticle from Horus, but why would they put inches representing a fixed distance and defeat the whole purpose of their reticle?

Drifter, not disputing what you said, just confused as to why. </div></div>

Knowing these relationships, you can set up a target range by drawing a vertical or horizontal line onto our target that is 3.6 inches long then backing up until the line is exactly one mil long in your scope for a 100 yard range, 7.2 inches for 200 yards, 10.8 inches for 300 yards, etc.

Don't let this stuff make you go NUTS

 

[mtang45]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tipper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mtang45</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Drifter_1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mtang45</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The only question I have left is the numbers on the left side of the christmas tree, next to the MIL elevation lines; what do those numbers represent?

</div></div>

Inches. </div></div>

Inches?? At what, 100 yards? Granted this is an early reticle from Horus, but why would they put inches representing a fixed distance and defeat the whole purpose of their reticle?

Drifter, not disputing what you said, just confused as to why. </div></div>

Knowing these relationships, you can set up a target range by drawing a vertical or horizontal line onto our target that is 3.6 inches long then backing up until the line is exactly one mil long in your scope for a 100 yard range, 7.2 inches for 200 yards, 10.8 inches for 300 yards, etc.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Don't let this stuff make you go NUTS</span> </div></div>

Thanks, good advice

 

[DWood]

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They have a demo that will explain.

http://secure.horusvision.com/reticles.php

Go to the bottom of the page, left side. Click on "demo" farthest to the left.

 

[toddconley]

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Just getting back to this havnt been on here for a while. Look at the left side of the ret and you will see moa. Look at the right side and you will see mils. It apears to me that it is graduated in .25 mils below the center cross hair and .2 mils above it for ranging I guess? As for the brackets I dont have a clue. They went to .2 mils on everything that they make in mils as far as I know but I am no expert.... on anything really? I think I am right but if I was corrected it wouldnt be the 1st time.
T

 

[mtang45]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DWood</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They have a demo that will explain.

http://secure.horusvision.com/reticles.php

Go to the bottom of the page, left side. Click on "demo" farthest to the left. </div></div>

Thanks DWood, thats just exactly what I needed.

 

[DWood]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mtang45</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DWood</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They have a demo that will explain.

http://secure.horusvision.com/reticles.php

Go to the bottom of the page, left side. Click on "demo" farthest to the left. </div></div>

Thanks DWood, thats just exactly what I needed. </div></div>

I used a Horus H-25 in a 4 day class at Central Virginia Tactical. It took a while to figure out, but I believe the ranging reticle is in MOA and uses the MOA formulas, which I think is evident in the demo. It is strictly for ranging and is pretty easy to use. The rest of the scope was mil/mil and dope according to load was dialed in.

I never took advantage of the mil reticle for fast holds and corrections since I was learning to shoot and dialing was part of the basics. I did find at 17X the reticle to be a bit thick on a 10 X 17 Larue target at 1000 yards. That is my only criticism of the Horus H-25 and I sold the scope shortly thereafter.

The class I took was with Vern Harrison who is a Vietnam era Army sniper. He knew of the reticle and the ability for fast corrections. He knows it was used to win the Sniper Challenge at Fort Benning, and the winning team was extremely fast with follow up shots due to the ability the reticle provides. He also stated that he was old school and preferred to get it right the first time as "the second shot is what exposes your position and gets you killed". It was a fascinating 4 days for a regular guy who just wanted to learn to shoot a .308 1000 yards.

 

[anthony_se]

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Vern Harrison is one extraordinarily talented teacher, IMHO. I've taken two LRP rifle courses from him, and he sure does walk the walk. Brilliant guy. No brag. No bullshit. I'll bet you learned a whole bunch from him and, if my experience is any gauge, you'll discover more of what he taught you the more you shoot. and yep, he told me the same thing about the HV reticle

 

[DWood]

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Vern did agree that the ranging reticle on the Horus was simple to use once we figured out how to use it.