Rifle Scopes REVIEW!!!!! Vortex Razor 5-20x50

#51
Re: REVIEW!!!!! Vortex Razor 5-20x50

no worries rath, he has more hard-real world experience of what makes a real combat optic. And, he will do things to his that I most certainly will not to mine. Plus, he's probably been shooting with his for the last couple of days...

I look forward to reading his review as well. He will most def. wring this scope out. Hopefully he'll be able to get some better reticle pics for ya'll.

Hunter
 
#52
Re: REVIEW!!!!! Vortex Razor 5-20x50

I'm diggin the reticle!

I own a heritage and I don't see where 5 mil/rev is that bad. When my adjustments where less than tactile it was a royal PIA to dail an adjustment accurately. Now that there like snapping glass rods Im pretty happy. Without MTC I think even 15mil/rev would be way too fine.

If I were in the market for more high end glass the razor would be at top of my short list. I still hate where they put the illumination control, but that wouldn't keep me from buying one.
 
#54
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Aight fellers, some more pics, <span style="font-size: 14pt">All pics courtesy of Scott at Liberty Optics. Thanks Scott!!!</span>

These give a better representation than my pics. This reticle is very nice.
<span style="font-size: 14pt"> 5x</span>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt"> 10x</span>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt"> 15x</span>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt"> 15x shed is 850yds</span>
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#56
Re: Reticle Pics: Vortex Razor 5-20x50

More pics thanks to Scott
<span style="font-size: 14pt">this is the nice labeling I was talking about </span>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt">nice ocular pic</span>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt">this shot shows the color pretty well</span>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt">next to the Premier 3-15x50 #1 </span>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt">next to the Premier 3-15x50 #2</span>
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<span style="font-size: 14pt">next to the Premier 3-15x50 #3</span>
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#59
Re: Reticle Pics: Vortex Razor 5-20x50

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Magnumdood</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Premier's erector housing looks significantly larger. </div></div>

Thats because it has to accomodate the larger diameter of the elevation knob see:
15mils per turn with the PH vs. 5mils per turn with the Razor
 
#61
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I like the look and the layout of the Vortex. They really put some thought into this scope. If this thing turns out to be as well manufactured as it looks to be, I'll be getting one soon. Can't wait to get to Rifles Only next month for the Shooter's Bash and talk to LL about the Vortex. I'm sure he will put it through it's paces.
 
#62
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Halvis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"next to the Premier 3-15x50" You own both? I hate you!

Seriously, if you had to keep ONLY ONE, right now, which one would it be? </div></div>
I own a Premier Heritage 5-25x56 and a Schmidt & Bender 5-25x56 PMII. I don't own a Vortex, though it does look promising. I'm looking forward to LL review.
 
#63
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In reading the features, it seems to have a zero stop, in the pics it has numbered rev lines........does it have a zero stop?

How sturdy do the little tabs holding the fiber optics seem?

I do like the reticle, I wish my GenIIXR had windage markings at every mil.
 
#64
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In reading the features, it seems to have a zero stop, in the pics it has numbered rev lines........does it have a zero stop?

How sturdy do the little tabs holding the fiber optics seem?

I do like the reticle, I wish my GenIIXR had windage markings at every mil. </div></div>

Yes, and a very well though out very robust zero stop at that. I talked about it in the review. And on Vortex's website if you download the user manual it will give you an idea of how well put together it is. on the knobs, I think the fiber optics are safe. On the ocular I can see that something could happen and knock the crap outta the thing and break it off but, it'd prolly have to hit it just right. And, someone mentioned the illum. control position, well I'm not crazy about it being on the eyepiece but, being so low profile its really not bad at all.
 
#65
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How sturdy do the little tabs holding the fiber optics seem?</div></div>

This grabbed my eye too.
Not exactly a robust <span style="text-decoration: underline">looking</span> design right there.
 
#66
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I can not put the Razor next to the Heritage 5-25, as my little stock of Razor's is gone. That would have been a smart move though, a pic of all three, with the Razor in the middle. Hindsight is 20/20.

As I've always said, the proof will be in the pudding concerning this scope, and I'm pretty allergic to hype now. BUT, if the scopes is as tough as advertised, Vortex has a real winner here, a force to be reckoned with.

As in any new product, all that remains is to acquire stock and get the scope out and see what the field data tell us.

Scott
 
#74
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And you do realize when I say, "skydive" I mean sans parachute...
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Think of it more as a "free fall" minus the controlled landing, just that few seconds of air with an abrupt stop at the very end. if we're lucky, we might even get a "bounce", always a crowd pleaser.

The swimming is more literal, it's going for a swim.
 
#76
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hunter,

On the "christmas tree" are all the .2 mil subs are the visible?

Very similar to the XR in many ways. </div></div>

yeah you can, but they are very fine
 
#77
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">if we're lucky, we might even get a "bounce", always a crowd pleaser.
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No hint of deviousness there, nooooooo, nope, no way....
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#78
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LL,
Are you planning the same for the new SS 3-9x you have down there as well?

I've got a buddy who is on the brink of ordering one and I'm interested in how it will hold up to your style of "use". He will never "use" it like you will but he's never spend $600 on optics before. He's been shooting for a long time just never anything he would need precision optics for.
 
#79
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Has <span style="font-style: italic">anything</span> held up to that kind of use LL? I seem to remember you guys even broke a knob off of a Schmidt & Bender in one of your classes.
 
#80
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Nice review. That scope is a brute. Vortex appears to have down there homework with this one. The only dislike I have is the placement of the illumination knob. Looking forward to hearing additional reviews. I may say screw the illumination knob and just try one anyway.
 
#81
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Onemoretime</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LL,
Are you planning the same for the new SS 3-9x you have down there as well?

I've got a buddy who is on the brink of ordering one and I'm interested in how it will hold up to your style of "use". He will never "use" it like you will but he's never spend $600 on optics before. He's been shooting for a long time just never anything he would need precision optics for.</div></div>

No, there is no plan to push any further on the S.S. as I think its doing its job very well, and that they put out an excellent product with this one. It spent 7 days on a Mk11 Mod 0 with a soldier using it during our class without a single hiccup, so I can't see me needing to batter it any more just because I can.

Tell your friend it's a wise investment the new S.S. and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it to anyone.
 
#82
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So, what I am getting at is, all it takes is just to pick it up and look through it and mess with it a little bit, and you know you've got a serious optic on your hands.</div></div>

Really, maybe you should call LL and tell him not to bother with his testing....

I'd like to know things like does it track? Is it repeatable? Can it withstand abuse, both vigorous and normal bumps/knocks?

Are you planning on running a box test + tracking test on yours?

Thanks, Rath
 
#83
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Sounds like he is content to carry it around and show it off... maybe he's afraid that if he shoots it, it will let him down.
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plus, "showing it off" to his friends probably qualifies as "normal use" for a lot of people, so he is probably pretty close to on track with his testing and evaluation of the optic...

Sharp as a Tack, and Clear as Crystal
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#84
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sounds like he is content to carry it around and show it off... maybe he's afraid that if he shoots it, it will let him down.
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Sharp as a Tack, and Clear as Crystal
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LOL, not quite Frank. No rings to mount it with. But no, I prolly won't ever be using it to put a bullet in somebody. But, I am not gentle on my equipment when I go hunting and I hunt quite alot.
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#85
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No worries...

I will say it is the most detailed review of an optic you never used I have ever read, you have a future in print.
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I've had the scope 24 hours longer and couldn;t have thought of this much to write about it as it sat here waiting for the rifle to show. Admittedly, I never thought of taking it on the road, but I'm stuck in thinking, unmounted is unused, clearly I was wrong.

I think you earned enough Plus Points with Vortex they should at least comp you a set of rings. :0

It's been informative, if I lift anything you've said take it as a compliment.
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#86
Re: REVIEW!!!!! Vortex Razor 5-20x50

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hunter223</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seriously consider this scope when looking at the other big boys, I think most will find it compares very favorably to S&B, PH, and Ziess. You may find one area that one of the other scopes is better, <span style="text-decoration: underline">but I think this is the best all-around scope I've seen bar-none</span>. And a BIG THANK YOU to Scott over at Liberty Optics.
Hunter</div></div>
In your Red-Bull induced hysteria, I missed this little gem. Quite a statement considering the optics you named. I think you've generated enough attention that there are quite a few folks waiting to see how well the Vortex works as a Base Ball Bat (Low Light testing).
 
#87
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WTH,now you have got me interested in a Vortex,don't like the NF NXS because of the finicky parallax adjustment,thought of going to one of the new Sightron SIII models.This Vortex seems like the ticket
 
#88
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It's usually prudent to under promise and over deliver
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I do sincerely hope the Razor lives up to the (now considerable
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) hype

Time will tell....
 
#89
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rath</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's usually prudent to under promise and over deliver...</div></div>
Agreed. That scope better be the next generation in Optical Gunsights.
 
#90
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Indeed dood
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. With so many scopes "built like a tank" one wonders if there really is a need for tanks anymore....

By the way are you aware that your sig line is also the Afrikaans word for dead/death (dood)?

Rath
 
#91
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Based on looks alone the PH looks like a more robust design. Not to mention that 34mm rings are a much more standard size than 35mm. The Vortex Razor glass that I've seen is very good and if this scope is at a significantly less price point than the competition then it's worth considering. Not everyone is using their equipment like hard-core military operators. If you break your Vortex they will replace it for free. It's hard to beat that. If it were me I'd probably look for a nice, lightly used S&B 5-25x in the classifieds. fwiw.
 
#92
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rath</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Indeed dood
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. With so many scopes "built like a tank" one wonders if there really is a need for tanks anymore....</div></div>
LOL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rath</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By the way are you aware that your sig line is also the Afrikaans word for dead/death (dood)?

Rath </div></div>
No, I <span style="font-style: italic">wasn't</span> aware of that. Hmmmm... <span style="font-style: italic">Hmmm....</span>
 
#93
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And you do realize when I say, "skydive" I mean sans parachute...
smile.gif


Think of it more as a "free fall" minus the controlled landing, just that few seconds of air with an abrupt stop at the very end. if we're lucky, we might even get a "bounce", always a crowd pleaser.

The swimming is more literal, it's going for a swim. </div></div>

Can't wait to see the video.
 
#94
Re: REVIEW!!!!! Vortex Razor 5-20x50

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Magnumdood</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hunter223</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seriously consider this scope when looking at the other big boys, I think most will find it compares very favorably to S&B, PH, and Ziess. You may find one area that one of the other scopes is better, <span style="text-decoration: underline">but I think this is the best all-around scope I've seen bar-none</span>. And a BIG THANK YOU to Scott over at Liberty Optics.
Hunter</div></div>
In your Red-Bull induced hysteria, I missed this little gem. Quite a statement considering the optics you named. I think you've generated enough attention that there are quite a few folks waiting to see how well the Vortex works as a Base Ball Bat (Low Light testing). </div></div>

O no, no Red-bull for me thank you, that's for the REAL scope testers
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I prefer Monster and no, not diet either, I want the real stuff.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rath</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So, what I am getting at is, all it takes is just to pick it up and look through it and mess with it a little bit, and you know you've got a serious optic on your hands.</div></div>

Really, maybe you should call LL and tell him not to bother with his testing....

I'd like to know things like does it track? Is it repeatable? Can it withstand abuse, both vigorous and normal bumps/knocks?

Are you planning on running a box test + tracking test on yours?

Thanks, Rath </div></div>

Sorry Rath I missed your question among all the other post. Yessir I will be doing all the std. tracking test, at least 10mils in all directions and I will take some leveling equpiment to check that it tracks perfectly vertically and horizontally. I will also, be shooting from multiple ranges so, I'll check on repeatablity as well. I'll bump it around some more than it will normally see for me and, check zero etc after that.

Thanks Rath
 
#95
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Hunter, have you had more time behind the scope yet? I can't wait for mine I just placed my pre-order with Scott yesterday. 3-4 weeks he said... I swear that guy is taking all of my money.
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#96
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Joeyhotfizzle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hunter, have you had more time behind the scope yet? I can't wait for mine I just placed my pre-order with Scott yesterday. 3-4 weeks he said... I swear that guy is taking all of my money.
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Yeah, I took it out and zeroed it yesterday. 3 shots to zero at 200yds. exceptionally easy to zero pick up bullet holes easily on 8x at 200yds and what you dial into the turrets equals what you get on target. Very nice, well though out package. you won't be disappointed. I'd rather give my $$$ to Scott too than any other optics dealer
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#97
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Nice... Had a PH 3-15 now a NF NXS 3.5-15, mil/mil is definitely the way to go. Thanks man, I cannot wait to get mine.

Definitely Scott has the BEST prices and customer service around all you need is call or email him.

Thanks hunter.
 
#98
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Joeyhotfizzle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nice... Had a PH 3-15 now a NF NXS 3.5-15, mil/mil is definitely the way to go. Thanks man, I cannot wait to get mine.

Definitely Scott has the BEST prices and customer service around all you need is call or email him.

Thanks hunter. </div></div>

Anytime. I hope you enjoy the Razor. Post pics/impressions when ya get it.
 
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