Rifles used in the latest European Sniper competition vs 2011 US

[Andy T]

I am watching some footage of the latest European Sniper Competition, and while there are a number of semi's, the bolt actions are also represented in large numbers.
However, I remember watching 2011? Sniper competition that was run in CONUS and it seemed like everybody was running a Larue semi (OBR probably). Yet none are present in the most current footage - is it because in this comp teams must use issued weapons?

 

[Maggot]

Ive been wondering as well about the video Frank had on the guys shooting out to two miles. I wonder if they were CheyTac 408?

 

[Andy T]

Ive been wondering as well about the video Frank had on the guys shooting out to two miles. I wonder if they were CheyTac 408?

Can you point me to the link of the video?

 

[Maggot]

Can you point me to the link of the video?

It was on the Snipers Hike Facebook page a couple weeks back. You might inquire of LowLight about it.

 

[Sniperwannabee]

What's Facebook?

 

[Redmanss]

However, I remember watching 2011? Sniper competition that was run in CONUS and it seemed like everybody was running a Larue semi (OBR probably). Yet none are present in the most current footage - is it because in this comp teams must use issued weapons?

Comp sponsor so they got to mass advertise by everyone shooting their rifle. It makes a .mil sniper comp a joke.

 

[_Windrider_]

Comp sponsor so they got to mass advertise by everyone shooting their rifle. It makes a .mil sniper comp a joke.

2011 was about the time Hodnett name dropped LaRue about every 13.25 seconds in That one video that shall not be named.

 

[Redmanss]

2011 was about the time Hodnett name dropped LaRue about every 13.25 seconds in That one video that shall not be named.

 

[_Windrider_]

I’m dyin

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

So color me "slow" but can someone explain to me how many CONUS sniper comps did the OP have to sift through to get one that he could bring up the OBRs being used by everyone at that comp......
Because OP clearly states he watched the LATEST European sniper comp but yet his questioning of the CONUS sniper comp was from 2011....
I must be having an off day because the dots do not connect logically for me

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[Andy T]

Hi,

So color me "slow" but can someone explain to me how many CONUS sniper comps did the OP have to sift through to get one that he could bring up the OBRs being used by everyone at that comp......
Because OP clearly states he watched the LATEST European sniper comp but yet his questioning of the CONUS sniper comp was from 2011....
I must be having an off day because the dots do not connect logically for me

Sincerely,
Theis

Not questioning. I watch whatever is available on youtube. I have the DVD from 2011 hence that data point. And it's a rainy day today.

 

[Mr.BR]

On military sniper comps in Europe semi autos are quite rare and every one pitties the fool that has to use one knowing full well its total POS minute of man accurate and will suffer bad in 95+% of tasks on the comps . Back in the days there were bunch of them ,SVDs of East european teams ,but now days these all rock the latest and greatest in sniper rifles Sako M10 , AX MC etc , now days mostly US teams when they participate sport an occasional M110

 

[deersniper]

Hi,

So color me "slow" but can someone explain to me how many CONUS sniper comps did the OP have to sift through to get one that he could bring up the OBRs being used by everyone at that comp......
Because OP clearly states he watched the LATEST European sniper comp but yet his questioning of the CONUS sniper comp was from 2011....
I must be having an off day because the dots do not connect logically for me

Sincerely,
Theis

Probably got the same dvd comp video Larue sent out with a bunch of orders

 

[RyanScott]

On military sniper comps in Europe semi autos are quite rare and every one pitties the fool that has to use one knowing full well its total POS minute of man accurate and will suffer bad in 95+% of tasks on the comps . Back in the days there were bunch of them ,SVDs of East european teams ,but now days these all rock the latest and greatest in sniper rifles Sako M10 , AX MC etc , now days mostly US teams when they participate sport an occasional M110

Gun games. Semi autos are better killing tools.

 

[Mr.BR]

For what ? human wave attack at very short range and when no one is shooting back with a long gun.

 

[RyanScott]

For nearly the full spectrum operations. There’s a reason that more than a decade of war has caused the US to replace the vast majority of precision weapons with autoloadera and NATO nations to add scoped autoloaders to their arms room.

 

[Mr.BR]

Nothing has been replaced with semiautos just a DMR added which was something that military lacked . If anything long rifles just grew range with caliber upgrades

 

[RyanScott]

No, the vast majority are still running M40s and M24s. DMRs are supplementing infantry tactics, but prcision weapons are still bolt action, including the new .300WM precision rifles.

The M24 has been completely removed from service and returned for a credit to the vendor.

 

[RyanScott]

The M2010, yes. But mostly the M110.

 

[Redmanss]

And even the new M40A6 is being replaced by the MK13.

As for bolt vs. semi, well, that's mission dependent. Both serve a fine role on the battlefield, and the best answer of what to have is "both". Definitely better than the options I had in my younger years.

 

[RyanScott]

Depends on the war too. Iraq vs. Afg vs. Korea etc.

What doesn’t make sense is small caliber bolt guns. If it’s not a magnum why doesn’t it load itself?

 

[BangBangBlatBlat]

Different doctrines. Different courses of fire. Different marketing.

Accuracy First/Todd Hodnett pump out a lot of guys in the US that use their system, and they offer some pretty steep discounts for their mil graduates. I think my buddy got the OBR+Leupold Mark 6+LaRue Suppressor+260 OBR Barrel for something like $4000 when he went.

I think European doctrine also envisions a more traditional role of snipers and has had experience with the 338 Lapua snipers for quite some time now, and their doctrine reflects it.

 

[Mr.BR]

Not much 300WM over here but lots of .338LM , that more or less replaced 7.62x51 bolt guns with any Euro militaries who bought new gear in last decade. Soem like Czechs even bought bunch of .375CT DTAs but i believe those were part of urgent requirement for use in ME against armored jihadimobiles-carbombs.

It will be interesting to see if any manufacturer will try to 'grow' the .338LM potential that is at present caped by limited magazine lenghts

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

@Mr.BR
In regards to "growing" the 338LM....
Would you envision this growth being done in just a slightly longer receiver or would you see it easier logistic wise to just step up to the CT sized receivers but run the LM out of them?
The later of those 2 options would seem to be the easiest and cheapest for someone or manufacturer to do..most expensive part of that R&D is getting the magazine design figured out.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[Mr.BR]

CT sized recievers are the easy way , but for the field impractical they are far to heavy making a lighter rifle it would be better to design just slightly longer action and dedicated magazine , courrent CT magazines weigh a pound each.

My courrent CT reciever design is actualy same lenght as 338LM , but larger diameter to use a CT sized tennon and bolt has a longer stroke . Uses a standard 7 round CT mag , but i see that Custom mag is one of the first things that will happen as CT mags are far to heavy for the field. Goal is to have finished rifle weigh no more than AXMC , will see around new year how it turns out.

CT case is not the best design out there , so expect bunch of wildcats now with ELR exploding in popularity .

Tubb is near ready with his .33XC .375XC brass , it will be interesting to see how longer higher volume case on LM boltface turns out.

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

I absolutely agree in regards to a complete new longer magazine needs to be designed for the 338LM.
Also that the CT is not the best design...there are lots of new super large cases being necked down to 338 since some of the new projectile designs have made it worthwhile. Such as this one here

Sincerely,
Theis