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Ruger Precision Rimfire
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You are exactly right but that is what Ruger told me? I still think for this rifle the Federal HV Match is a better/possibly safer option.
I don't doubt that the lawyers made them add that part. I'm just laughing that the CS team will say it's okay even though it's specifically mentioned in manual not to use them. Left hand not talking to right hand..
Lol
Shot my RPRF (like this name so as not to be confused with the actual RPR) today for first time. I took my time scrubbing the absolute s&@t out of the bore because it was filthy; took nearly an hour of scrubbing to get rid of the dark brown crap they coat the bore in to prevent rust.
Shot it at 50 and 100yds with FGM HV Match, FGM Target, Eley Target, CCI MiniMags, Federal AutoMatch and some generic Am Eagle 40gr. Target pics below but at 50y, I shot 30 rounds into separate 5 shot groups for each ammo then circled back and shot two more 5 shot groups and a 10 shot group. Figured for a new barrel that would let me work in the bore a bit and retest each to see if they improve over the first 200-300 rounds.
FGM HV Match 5 shot avg .78" and 10 shot at 1.15/.67. one first round flyer way out of group.
FGM Target 5 shot avg .845" and 10 shot at .85"
ELEY Target .71 5 shot avg and .7" 10 shot
Am Eagle didn't bother measuring 5 shot avg but 10 shot was 1.14"
CCI MiniMags .74 avg 5 shot and .8" 10 shot
At 100 yards, most stayed pretty close to double the 50yd groups.
Fed HV Match 1.92" 5 shot groups and 2.5" 10 shot
Fed Target (best ammo so far) avg 1.4" 5 shot and 1.88 10 shot (note first 7 shots landed in .85" then next 3 dropped low as wind switched into face)
ELEY Target 1.8" avg didn't shoot 10 shot
CCI MiniMags 1.5" avg and 2.4" 10 shot.
Fed AutoMatch 10shot group 2.68"
While it's not perfect rifle, it's a 400 adjustable practice rifle with features that would cost at least 300-500 more for new stock/chassis on another platform.
I need to test with some actual good ammo (Lapua, SK, RWS, Eley Black, Midas, etc) to see if it's rifle or ammo. But if I can practice with Fed Target for less than .10¢ per round and get 1.5moa accuracy to 100yds, I'm pretty happy because we'll, it's a f#@&ng rimfire that cost $400. If it shoots better over next 1000 rounds AWESOME!
And better precision is only $275 away from the boys over at ER Shaw barrels. They said .25-.5" at 50yds is the norm for the barrels they are sending out. Glad to have a new shorty practice rifle though!
Red dots are about .25" square for reference.
Green dots are about .4" wide for reference.
Shot it at 50 and 100yds with FGM HV Match, FGM Target, Eley Target, CCI MiniMags, Federal AutoMatch and some generic Am Eagle 40gr. Target pics below but at 50y, I shot 30 rounds into separate 5 shot groups for each ammo then circled back and shot two more 5 shot groups and a 10 shot group. Figured for a new barrel that would let me work in the bore a bit and retest each to see if they improve over the first 200-300 rounds.
FGM HV Match 5 shot avg .78" and 10 shot at 1.15/.67. one first round flyer way out of group.
FGM Target 5 shot avg .845" and 10 shot at .85"
ELEY Target .71 5 shot avg and .7" 10 shot
Am Eagle didn't bother measuring 5 shot avg but 10 shot was 1.14"
CCI MiniMags .74 avg 5 shot and .8" 10 shot
At 100 yards, most stayed pretty close to double the 50yd groups.
Fed HV Match 1.92" 5 shot groups and 2.5" 10 shot
Fed Target (best ammo so far) avg 1.4" 5 shot and 1.88 10 shot (note first 7 shots landed in .85" then next 3 dropped low as wind switched into face)
ELEY Target 1.8" avg didn't shoot 10 shot
CCI MiniMags 1.5" avg and 2.4" 10 shot.
Fed AutoMatch 10shot group 2.68"
While it's not perfect rifle, it's a 400 adjustable practice rifle with features that would cost at least 300-500 more for new stock/chassis on another platform.
I need to test with some actual good ammo (Lapua, SK, RWS, Eley Black, Midas, etc) to see if it's rifle or ammo. But if I can practice with Fed Target for less than .10¢ per round and get 1.5moa accuracy to 100yds, I'm pretty happy because we'll, it's a f#@&ng rimfire that cost $400. If it shoots better over next 1000 rounds AWESOME!
And better precision is only $275 away from the boys over at ER Shaw barrels. They said .25-.5" at 50yds is the norm for the barrels they are sending out. Glad to have a new shorty practice rifle though!
Red dots are about .25" square for reference.
Green dots are about .4" wide for reference.
I too noticed that the 1st cold bore shot with the RPRR is completely erratic to say the least.
I've been getting about 1in-1.4in @100yds with the Fed HV Match.
At 200yds it seems to almost hold that accuracy of 1-1 3/4in which is impressive.
Some ammo that shoots well close doesn't do as well at distance, and vice versa with poor 100yds results sometimes maintaining the same at 200yds.
Thanks for the info Subwrx300
I've been getting about 1in-1.4in @100yds with the Fed HV Match.
At 200yds it seems to almost hold that accuracy of 1-1 3/4in which is impressive.
Some ammo that shoots well close doesn't do as well at distance, and vice versa with poor 100yds results sometimes maintaining the same at 200yds.
Thanks for the info Subwrx300
No bore guides are available; heard tell of some modifying an existing one but can't remember where. For me I just used Tipton cleaning rod and Hoppe's 9 Bore Cleaner on two wet patched followed by a nylon brush. Then three dry patches. Repeated until the dry patches looked clean.
I've used a Tipton Universal Guide for many rifles over the years. Just don't be an animal on the cleaning rod and everything is OK. I also switched to a nylon brush years ago. I use Boresmith Triangle patches on the brush for my wet and dry patches. Itgets into every little corner of the bore. Easy to clean, difficult to do damage. A good quality 1 piece rod is an absolute must though.
I have a ruger prescion rimfire, it had some issues at first,,, didnt want to group with any ammo ,sk standard plus,or sk rifle match, or lapua center x,,,, sent the rifle back to ruger they put on another barrel, shot better but not to my expectations,,,, so I ordered me up a e.r. shaw match rpr barrel and it shoots like a laser. Topped with a athlon argos mrad 6-24x50
From 25 to so far 300 yrds I couldn't ask for more... Well my kidd 10/22 is pretty close topped with a athlon Helos 6-24x50 mrad.
From 25 to so far 300 yrds I couldn't ask for more... Well my kidd 10/22 is pretty close topped with a athlon Helos 6-24x50 mrad.
How did the second barrel shoot at 50yds? 1/2" to .75"?
Please post some 50yd group practice with the ER Shaw barrel... I'm sure many of us (certainly myself included) are very interested in their barrels. I almost bought one last week but decided to wait until I get 1500-2000 rounds through existing barrel to see if it improves much.
On a different note, I noticed that the RPRF bolt rotates/jumps ALOT when the trigger is pressed. Mine moves upward about 1/16 of an inch and rotates 5-6 degrees counter clockwise. I can't say for sure but this alone could be causing some of the issues with precision. If the bolt moves during fire pin dropping, it is also moving the cartridge which changes it's relationship to the bore.
I'm going to test my rifle with a small shim above the bolt when in battery to see if precision improves. If it does, then issues are with bolt/action design tolerances not with barrel. If it doesn't then well...it's a Ruger. Lol.
Good info here!
I would love to send some pics if groups,i just gotta figure out how to from my dumb phone.. i compare it to my Ruger 10/22 Tony kidd its a hammer for sure, hopefully there is a fix for that bolt rotating issue,i like the idea of bedding the action in that God forsaking butt ugly stock, as fir the second barrel it didn't shoot any better, it would look promising,then go to shit...
I installed the shaw barrel and wala instant accuracy,,,thats no shit maybe i got lucky but now it shoots,still room for improvement but way better..let me work on those pics.. ohh and neither barrel from ruger would shoot consistant .5 group,, maybe 1 out of 50 10 shoot grps. Were that tight. The picture image says its to big... Can you help?
I installed the shaw barrel and wala instant accuracy,,,thats no shit maybe i got lucky but now it shoots,still room for improvement but way better..let me work on those pics.. ohh and neither barrel from ruger would shoot consistant .5 group,, maybe 1 out of 50 10 shoot grps. Were that tight. The picture image says its to big... Can you help?
It could just be that it is what it is, a 1.5 to 2moa rifle. The only reason that anyone is expecting anything more out of the factory rifle is the track record of it's centerfire brothers and that Ruger decided to capitalize on that name and reputation. I own 2 RPR's and bought an RPRF right out of the gate. Rimfire is a fickle caliber to start with and very few companies are successful in competing in the accuracy department. Bedding and barrel including the chamber are the most obvious areas that have affected these other rifles for good reason.
I don't see Ruger doing anything to improve the barrel on these rifles...maybe ever. The aftermarket seems to be making an effort though and maybe some enterprising company will even become full service and accurize entire rifles someday. The market will dictate everything.
I don't see Ruger doing anything to improve the barrel on these rifles...maybe ever. The aftermarket seems to be making an effort though and maybe some enterprising company will even become full service and accurize entire rifles someday. The market will dictate everything.
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here is the start of my ruger precision rimfire review, part#1... more parts yet to come.. not a bad start for breaking in the barrel and for a very windy day. Going to run a 100yard 6x5 on a "NO wind" day... hopefully soon.....
I fought my RPR from the beginning. Five shot groups were typically 3 tight and 2 random flyers, usually a first shot flyer, two tight, a flyer, and another joining the two tight ones.... unless I yanked the strays into the group.
I also fought weak ejection issues, if the bolt wasn't cycled fast it would leave the case on top of the mag.
Ended up sending the gun back and received it yesterday three weeks later. They replaced the barrel and bolt, sent two crappy photo copied images of a 3 shot group and 15 shot group on a 1" grid that were .75 - 1.25", said they were shot with CCI, but never stated which CCI or what distance the groups were shot at?
Went to the range today for a shakedown and overall it was a 50+% improvement. The trigger creep is somewhat unpredictable on this rifle, so until I mod it or someone brings a real trigger to market the true accuracy is still handicapped..... IMO.
Though I did managed to pile drive a fly that landed on the target board a 50yds.
Overall, after 200 rounds I was impressed with the accuracy improvement. Though the ejection is still weak.
I wouldn't say it was my best day and the trigger issues definitely handicap the true accuracy potential.
This was the first 50yd test target using CCI SV after 25 fouling rounds. The worst shot is .500" center to center.
I also fought weak ejection issues, if the bolt wasn't cycled fast it would leave the case on top of the mag.
Ended up sending the gun back and received it yesterday three weeks later. They replaced the barrel and bolt, sent two crappy photo copied images of a 3 shot group and 15 shot group on a 1" grid that were .75 - 1.25", said they were shot with CCI, but never stated which CCI or what distance the groups were shot at?
Went to the range today for a shakedown and overall it was a 50+% improvement. The trigger creep is somewhat unpredictable on this rifle, so until I mod it or someone brings a real trigger to market the true accuracy is still handicapped..... IMO.
Though I did managed to pile drive a fly that landed on the target board a 50yds.
Overall, after 200 rounds I was impressed with the accuracy improvement. Though the ejection is still weak.
I wouldn't say it was my best day and the trigger issues definitely handicap the true accuracy potential.
This was the first 50yd test target using CCI SV after 25 fouling rounds. The worst shot is .500" center to center.
Though I did managed to pile drive a fly that landed on the target board a 50yds.
So THATS what a "shooting a bughole" looks like! Hahaha. Good post!
So far I really like my RPRR, accuracy and the fit/feel.
22s are extremely picky about what ammo they like so it takes time to find the right match sometimes.
My RPRR shoots most 22lr ammo approximately .5-.6in @50yd (5 shot groups).
However, if I can find the right ammo I'm sure I can tighten those up a little more.
Shoots 3 shot groups even better!
American Rifleman did a nice review on this rifle as well with similar accuracy results.
22s are extremely picky about what ammo they like so it takes time to find the right match sometimes.
My RPRR shoots most 22lr ammo approximately .5-.6in @50yd (5 shot groups).
However, if I can find the right ammo I'm sure I can tighten those up a little more.
Shoots 3 shot groups even better!
American Rifleman did a nice review on this rifle as well with similar accuracy results.
Anyone running a 50mm objective (58mm outside diameter) scope on their rifle? If so, which ring height are you running? I am using XTR2 with high NF rings currently but would like to lower height a bit. I think mediums will work but it's very close die to the canted rail. Any input (and the gap left on your rifle) would be appreciated!
Read this journey to "precision" target accuracy with your RPR. Post by me near the bottom.
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/bedding-a-ruger-precision.6900224/
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/bedding-a-ruger-precision.6900224/
What kinda grouping are you getting at 100 yards? Having any kind of trouble with the Shaw barrel?
So far so good, after a few groups of 10 i get a vertical spred,,,,i think its from the barrel warming up or maybe the action moving a bit,gonna bed it or try the tape trick i read here on the hide... Fir the most
Part i am very happy with the shaw barrel much better than the hammered shit sirry i mean forged one from ruger... I have tryed to post pics of before and after but im using a smart phone and it wont let me,maybe because im a newbie member idk....
Part i am very happy with the shaw barrel much better than the hammered shit sirry i mean forged one from ruger... I have tryed to post pics of before and after but im using a smart phone and it wont let me,maybe because im a newbie member idk....
So your phone won’t let the forum attach a file/photo? Interesting. I’m undecided on a Shaw or GM barrel. Can’t figure out which way to go. The longer barrel and 1:15 twist rate from GM could be a nice touch for added accuracy
Right when i attach a picture,it says file to big,,,im sure its something im doing wrong. Thats why i went with the shaw it is acually a match chamber, very tight no slop at all. I also shoot it suppressed at home in the yard,thats the whole reason i got the rpr,,,and its just gotten worse from there,,,,the addiction..lol i have a kidd 10/22 but isn't threaded,so the rpr was in my budget,, and yet again trying to hot rod something that's probably not worth my time..
My best guess is that you'll need higher rings. I ran into issues with Burris xtr mediums on my Bushnell Engage with a 44mm Objective.
XTR highs are about 1/8 in from touching the rail.
I use 20inlbs on most of mine. If I find any movement, I go up to 25inlbs
So I finally got to Chrono my RPRF and I'm a very impressed with FGM Target. Here is a 16 shot string:
And I'm beginning to think the accuracy issues (flyers specifically) are not so much with the ammo but with the bedding/vblock. I shot several different ammo types today before bedding with aluminum tape and am about to go shoot it after bedding. Also, I taped two layers on each side of the vblock to make it anmuch more firm fit into the stock.
Will post results in next few hours.
And I'm beginning to think the accuracy issues (flyers specifically) are not so much with the ammo but with the bedding/vblock. I shot several different ammo types today before bedding with aluminum tape and am about to go shoot it after bedding. Also, I taped two layers on each side of the vblock to make it anmuch more firm fit into the stock.
Will post results in next few hours.
It appears to be aluminum shims of some sort on the lower where the action is bolted to receiver?
I'm not a professional gunsmith so thoughts are very mucg appreciated, as are ways to modify/improve the bedding.
Here's some pics in case some of you haven't taken yours down yet. I torqued action screws to 35in lbs.
Here's an aluminum tape application on the action to bedding block surface:
With my gun the action rocked fore and aft a bit due to the rear take down being a bit higher. The tape neutralized the rocking..... in MY gun.
I'm breaking in the new barrel Ruger installed and it appears it's much better than the original tomato stake.
Here's 50 rounds of CCI SV, 1st 25 without the thread protector, second 25 with, then 20 rounds of Federal GM Ultramatch with the thread protector. 25 rounds of SK Pistol Match Special were shot prior to this target without cleaning the barrel. Winds were 3-6 mph and swirling 365* which is typical of my range. Also the trigger has at times an unpredictable first stage of creep in it which makes it challenging.
Budget rifle appears to like top-shelf ammo, though the wind was lighter for those 4 groups.
Most of those groups look outstanding, less than .5in for sure. I plan to take my RPRR out again to test some different ammo soon.
I absolutely love the trigger on the one I have, zero creep and very light.
I absolutely love the trigger on the one I have, zero creep and very light.
So I haven't measured target yet but I reshot the test above after bedding and a few groups did tighten up substantially. However it's still hovering around 1-1.5moa at 50 and 100yds for 10 shot groups. 75% of those bullets land inside 1/2 -3/4 moa though so it's really just the flyers that are killing me.
The good news is it also holds easy 1.5-2MOA out to 388. Had a 75% hit rate at 300 on a 6" plate and 50% on 6" at 388. Wind was a bit soft but rough to pick up the gusts. Iwould consider both of those awesome given that it's holding SD around 9-10 and I have only $400 wrapped into rifle.
Will I get a new barrel? Sure, eventually. But for now it forces me to work much harder during practice which is exactly why I bought it. I think a 1-1.5 MOA bolt rimfire is fine for my needs... Until it isn't. Lol.
The good news is it also holds easy 1.5-2MOA out to 388. Had a 75% hit rate at 300 on a 6" plate and 50% on 6" at 388. Wind was a bit soft but rough to pick up the gusts. Iwould consider both of those awesome given that it's holding SD around 9-10 and I have only $400 wrapped into rifle.
Will I get a new barrel? Sure, eventually. But for now it forces me to work much harder during practice which is exactly why I bought it. I think a 1-1.5 MOA bolt rimfire is fine for my needs... Until it isn't. Lol.
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Measured target after bedding job on RPRF; it definitely helped a bit (about 15-20%) compared to before. I shot three 5-shot groups then a 10 shot for each ammo; the first avg is the 5-shot groups and the second number is a single 10 shot group with worst shot removed. Reason for pulling 1 and only 1 flyer from the 10-shot group is that it's more comparable to the 5 shot group avg. In fact it's been very close in each test (as you will see below). With Rimfire, there is bound to be an outlier and 90%
Here are results and a photo of target:
The Target group sizes are slightly bigger BUT I also did a quick torque tune to test 5lb intervals. Original groups shot at 35inlbs for both screws. Here are results from my tune testing (bottom center group of photo)
Here are results and a photo of target:
- FGM Target: 5-shot avg .62"; 9-shot .67"
- FGM HV Match: 5-shot avg .92"; 9-shot 1.00"
- SK Rifle Match: 5-shot avg 1.21";9-shot .86"
- SK Std Plus: 5-shot avg .55"; 9-shot .76"
- Fed UltraMatch: 5-shot avg .55"; 9-shot .63"
- CCI STD Velocity: 5-shot avg .52; 10-shot .64"
The Target group sizes are slightly bigger BUT I also did a quick torque tune to test 5lb intervals. Original groups shot at 35inlbs for both screws. Here are results from my tune testing (bottom center group of photo)
- 30in/lbs - .77" group stringing
- 35in/lbs - .78" group (this was test target torque)
- 40 in/lbs - .61" group
- 45in/lbs - .4" group
Hey guys, trying to post an optic questiom on the ruger precisiom rimfire thread. Wondering if a set of leupold rifleman medium rings (part # 57380) will work and have clearance with a vortex copperhead 4-12x44. Havent received my rifle yet but bought this optic for it and had the rings already. Also, wondering if this setup will give me trouble with the 30moa rail. Not too sure how that 30moa thing works tbh...ive never shot "precision .22" before. Does that mean the rail has a slope to it? If so, will i have issues with my glass setup getting a zero? Im assuming i want my rings as far apart on the tube as possible, which would spead out over the entire rail..would that give me the 30moa angle? I dont intend on ever shooting this gun over 100 yards if that helps. Thanks guys!!
In all honesty, I have almost no experience with a scope. Still doing my research on how to get it installed and zero'd as user friendly as possible. Ive seen the bore sighting method and that seems easiest to get my baseline...removing the bolt and eyeballing it at 25 or 50 yards down the barrel and matching the crosshairs to where it looks like poi might be. I appreciate any advise you all can help me with.
Not 100 percent sure. I used 1.26 in high vortex pmr rings for a 50mm objective and the fit is perfect. There was a ring height calculator somewhere on the forums. I’m sure if you google it you may stumble upon it on the inter webs
I think you're going to be real close. Leupold lists those rings as .897 which is almost half the 44mm objective. I'm not 100 percent sure that's how it works but I had medium rings at .97 with a 50mm objective and they didn't work. I think even with the smaller bell, but lower mediums you're goi to run into the same problem.
Installing a riflescope correctly is extremely important.
•First use a quality base, 1 or 2 piece is your preference.
• Make sure scope rings are pushed forward and tightened to correct specs.
•Find your correct eye relief (where you have a full view when shouldering the rifle without seeing vlack edges.
•Tighten the scope rings top half to spec.
There are many videos on this topic, look for one with many likes from a well known rifleman if possible.
Hope this helps
I'm running a Vortex Diamondback Hp 4-16 with Warne 202M rings (high) objective OSD is 51 with 3mm clearance.
Im not sure on the exact height of these rings, just that they are cheapy leupold mediums. I will definitely check out that ring height calculator now. Thanks very much for your help ??
Given all things equal, the longer barrel will decrease the MV. For example: using CCI Green Tag with a published MV of 1070 fps, I get an average of about 1080 fps out of my Ruger Precision Rimfire (18 in barrel) and 1061 fps out of my Ruger American that has a 22 in barrel. I see more decrease in barrels as they lengthen beyond 16 inches as I look at my very long list of 22 LR data composed of various types to LR rounds and barrel lengths.
I would expect a GM 22 in "match" barrel would have a very similar decrease compared to other shorter "match" barrels. Just how much difference would probably depend on the difference in twist rate too (faster twists would tend to slow a round down some).
So, in replacing the stock RPRF 18 in barrel with a GM barrel, you're going to see some decrease in MV.
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So the rings i have are .6875 if i measured right...from center of ring to where it would sit at the top of the rail. Im thinking with a 44mm its not going to clear. I tried using the ring calculator, but i do not know the length of the rail to calculate what the drop is, factoring in the 30moa slant. This may be an easier question... Is anyone running a 44mm with a 1" tube? If so what height rings are you using? Im looking to keep the glass as low as possible and still be able to get a 50 yard zero.
I am planning on getting the 0moa mount from ruger, if what i have read from you all is right, that should work better for what type of shooting i will be doing. 100 yards max, probably between 50-75 (i have no ability to stretch out any further at my home range).
I am planning on getting the 0moa mount from ruger, if what i have read from you all is right, that should work better for what type of shooting i will be doing. 100 yards max, probably between 50-75 (i have no ability to stretch out any further at my home range).
