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Ruger SFAR small frame 308, 6.8 pounds
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The biggest draw imo is the parts compatibility. If you really can drop an AR handguard onto one of these and most other small parts are compatible, that will make a lot of sales.
personally I’m looking at the 16” version and getting some ideas for a lightweight .375 Raptor SBR
personally I’m looking at the 16” version and getting some ideas for a lightweight .375 Raptor SBR
it can't be, ejection port wouldn't be enough and it wouldn't fit with the stretched magwell.
from the breakdowns in thread we know the proprietary parts list: Bolt Carrier, Bolt, Upper Receiver, Lower Receiver, Barrel Extension. everything else seems to be standard AR15 pattern stuff
You are correct that the AR-15 upper it is not drop-in compatible, but MDWS modified one or two to fit. It wasn't very difficult.
so with the lack of standardization of bolt, barrel extension, there goes any hope of commonly-available off-the-shelf aftermarket barrels for the small-frame 308, 6.5CM AR, I'm surmising.
At least, the DPMS LR-308 set a de-facto standard for the large-frame AR, which is commonly adhered to nowadays. maybe it's still "early-days" for a small frame 308 AR. still in the VHS vs BetaMax stage.
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Seems they are different measurements, extractor is different.
Still curious if the uppers and lowers(sfar/rouge rev) line up. Could I use a full ambi revolution lower with an sfar upper?
still early days. I imagine the SFAR will end up as the standard given price.
got a link to that? I must have missed it if it was earlier in the thread.
I'm not saying that I would do it, they're not called Mad Dog for nothing! I would address the venting ports extending through the upper to match the barrel extension ports. I would also use a heavy wall true slick side.
MDWS SFAR Blog
Interesting. Now that I look at it again, I see how ruger managed to do it by moving the rear pin forward vs the POF etc. makes me wonder if they might be setting it up so that you can just put in a magwell sleeve and use any AR or SFAR cal in one lower.
So if you turn off the gas port (setting 0) it essentially hovers right on the edge of hearing safe with a suppressor for limited shots out in the open.
They metered it at 132 at the ear with the gas off on setting 0, and 140, cycling on setting 1. That's in line with what I'd expect for a decently tuned AR, it didn't look terribly gassy on setting 1 either.
Caveats of course being that it was a 2209, not something like a Pulse, and a discrete "hearing safe" number doesn't really mean a whole lot.
Once you let the action start cycling your suppressor numbers aren't quite as important because as TBAC showed, the action of the AR slapping back and forth is essentially louder than the suppressed shot (which that video above also seems to bear out, the more gas you give the system the faster the bolt moves so the more noise it makes slapping back and forth).
So this rifle gives you a bit of an advantage if you want to be quiet, in that you can turn the port to 0 for maximum quiet for the shot and then slowly manually cycle a new round if quiet is commanding a premium over followup shots.
So this rifle gives you a bit of an advantage if you want to be quiet, in that you can turn the port to 0 for maximum quiet for the shot and then slowly manually cycle a new round if quiet is commanding a premium over followup shots.
If you're asking about a selectable type gas block with an "off" setting, there are a couple of others out there, Noveske Swithblock and Strike CAGB to name two. They do have handguard design/length limitations to access the controls. I'm not positive, but the Riflespeed might have an "off" position.
for all the shit I've heard people give strike, I've never actually had any problem with any of their products. sure some of it is firmly in the "race/meme gun" aesthetic, but some of it is quite functional and useful. the CAGB is a great example of that
16 inch, Hornady 168 AMAX ammo. Out of the box, still in break-in period, I bore sighted it. Optic was a Vortex-Strike-Eagle-4-24x50-with-EBR-4-MOA-Riflescope on 8 power. Has tube on 3
Prone, bipod and sand sock
100yards.
Groups are numbered in order fired.
Prone, bipod and sand sock
100yards.
Groups are numbered in order fired.
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I’m wanting to pick one of these up, but can’t decide on length.
Love the looks of the 16” but not crazy about mid length gas.
Love the looks of the 16” but not crazy about mid length gas.
I got my hands on one for a bit. Didn't get to do any shooting but I loved the way it feels. I will wait to see a used one and swap out the stupid brake and drive on.
@TonyTheTiger
Did you ever get one? I may snag a 20” when I see one under $1000 and just have it cut to 18”
I’m wanting to replace my 6.5 Grendel. Love the Grendel but prefer the extra energy of the bigger round
Did you ever get one? I may snag a 20” when I see one under $1000 and just have it cut to 18”
I’m wanting to replace my 6.5 Grendel. Love the Grendel but prefer the extra energy of the bigger round
Finally got to handle a 16" SFAR at the local Cabela's yesterday, it feels just like a trim AR-15, fit and finish seemed decent. I probably would have taken it home if I weren't about to take a trip, as it is I'll definitely get one when I get back. Prices seem to have gone up a bit over the last month, I don't see any 16" at or under $1k, although you can still find 20" for around there sometimes.
I have a little trepidation about a mid-gas that will be suppressed all the time, but most of the reviews I've seen seem to indicate that the mitigation features on the SFAR make the 16" a pretty good host. I was thinking about getting a 20" chopped to like 17", but I wonder if any of the 3 discrete gas settings would be optimal with the shorter pulse, could be better off with the 16" and Ruger's tuned gas settings.
I picked up a my first PA SLX 3x micro-prism for my future SFAR, pretty neat little optic, probably won't be my last.
I have a little trepidation about a mid-gas that will be suppressed all the time, but most of the reviews I've seen seem to indicate that the mitigation features on the SFAR make the 16" a pretty good host. I was thinking about getting a 20" chopped to like 17", but I wonder if any of the 3 discrete gas settings would be optimal with the shorter pulse, could be better off with the 16" and Ruger's tuned gas settings.
I picked up a my first PA SLX 3x micro-prism for my future SFAR, pretty neat little optic, probably won't be my last.
No, I haven't seen one in person yet, and even after that I take a couple years to convince myself to buy something I know I don't need.
Just talked to my local dealer and I could get into one of these for just over 1k out the door. Very tempting.
The video of the 16" suppressed makes me want to try it even more. For me personally I think I would buy the 20" and cut it down. But I have the capacity to do that on my own so it wouldn't cost me anything but my time.
The video of the 16" suppressed makes me want to try it even more. For me personally I think I would buy the 20" and cut it down. But I have the capacity to do that on my own so it wouldn't cost me anything but my time.
The videos I’ve seen of the 16 suppressed don’t look bad. I watched one today with a guy that put a H2 buffer in his and you could see the difference in recoil with it unsuppresed.
Personally I went with the 20" because I wanted the long barrel, but for you considering the cost, perhaps you just get the 16" factory one and call it good instead of trying to get the 20 and paying to get it chopped down and re-threaded and such?
I'd bet at the lowest setting you'd be fine with your suppressor as far as the bolt coming back goes.
Oh, that is not ok. Need to chance that out to a H1 or H2. It will run much better.
Just watched a video on one where a guy did just that. Swapped to an h2. He said ejection came around to 4 O'clock. No video of him shooting he was just talking about. Don't think it was suppressed.
I'm very tempted. Local guy just text me and said one of his distributors offered him one.
Happened upon a 16" on GB for under my $1k target, so it's on the way. I plan to pop a couple tungsten weights into the buffer, mount a Xeno Xero for my Nomad and work up a few hunting loads with the fixed 12x before swapping the SLX 3x micro-prism on there as a woods gun. I have good variety of.30 cal bullets laying around, but am tempted to try a lighter mono like the 120gr Tac-tx or 130gr TTSX for woods work. Anyone have experience with those bullets out of short .308s?
I have played with 130 and 135 grain bullets before. Looks like I’m gonna have to break out the cash and buy some more bullets from Barnes to play with. If I come up with some kind of winning load using the powders I have on hand., I’ll try to share my results with you. My rifle is a Daniel Defense DD5V1.
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I have a slightly different 130 that shoots 3050 in my 16" bolt gun.
Since everyone else is speculating I'll add mine. https://www.carpentertechnology.com/blog/cartech-custom-465
If you scroll to the bottom where it talks about firearms application it mentioned Ruger using Carpenter custom 465 on revolver cylinders and there is a chance that is what they are using. It isn't too easy to machine (better than inconel but what isn't?) but the heat treat is simple. Would they make the receiver extension out of the same material? Maybe not.
Makes me think of the advance in metallurgy - Colt's "Silver Steel" that allowed him to make that highly sought after improvement : a six shot .44 on a belt pistol sized frame (and arguably one of the most beautiful revolvers ever made)..the 1860 army.
thought for the thread, if the handguard is an easy retrofit, feels like a great candidate for a blk lbl bipod, keeps things slim and out of the way when you don’t need it, but gives the ability to use the full range of the cartridge.
couple with a holo and a 5x magnifier and I could see making hits out to some great distances despite being super light for a .308 AR
couple with a holo and a 5x magnifier and I could see making hits out to some great distances despite being super light for a .308 AR
For a SHTF rifle would I be better off just buying the 16" or getting the 20" and cutting it down?
I figure the rifle length gas system would be easier on the bolt but would it reliably cycle whatever I might have to use for ammo?
I figure the rifle length gas system would be easier on the bolt but would it reliably cycle whatever I might have to use for ammo?
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