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Which scope manufacturers, specifically, have you visited, that have a PM2 being used as their basis for design? Id go as far to say most optics manufacturers have their competitors scopes in house, but I don't see enough in common with any of the larger manufacturers to say even a single one is "copying" another.Schmidt is the better scope
well said. Every scope manufacture has the pm2 on a mantel looking at it building there scopes. You don't see a nightforce beast in there, it's still the pm2. I don't get how some people say they would pic an atacr over a pm2. Nightforce is very good and have great things going for them, but the pm2 is still the the #1 now that being said tangent theta may have a go at that title now but we'll see
Cool bro, factory (american) rifles showing of another (American) scope company hmmmmmm......Which scope manufacturers, specifically, have you visited, that have a PM2 being used as their basis for design? Id go as far to say most optics manufacturers have their competitors scopes in house, but I don't see enough in common with any of the larger manufacturers to say even a single one is "copying" another.
Id say take a peak at any firearm manufacturer and see which scope they have on their rifles... Heres a hint, the majority are running Nightforce. Shot Show was the same story with all the big dogs running NF scopes either exclusively, or with the majority on their setups.
Edit- damn it! he got me. Troll joined yesterday.
Maybe you missed my shot show pics... Accuracy International, Barrett, 90% of the rifles from Mile High Shooting... Better yet, see for yourself.Cool bro, factory (american) rifles showing of another (American) scope company hmmmmmm......
your sit here and argue and wine and say oh yea man nightforce is on show rifles at show show so it's #1 lol if that's the case let me put you back down with your own argurmeant.
how many of these top rifles 3-8000$ Systems run nightforce on them, none it's a pm2. How many pm2 do you see on rifles at shot, I see quite a few, go to Europe and see how many nightforce you see at shows. 0 you got nothing but schmidts along side these 5-10,000$ rifles, and here in America you see tons of schmidts. Oh and hey pal here's a (HINT) ask any known member in the shooting community who are involved with these dealers and have the privilege to test products and are inside all the companies. Ask the god himself frank who's forum your in and ask him what scope are all these top optics copying, here's another (hint) it's not a bunch of competitors, it's a pm2
Oh my god bro cool take your butt hurt ass away. You are making yourself look dumb. Cool some top rifles have (some) nightforce scopes on them yes I said that I didn't say otherwise. I can also recap seeing 5 x the amount of schmidts at shot show on rifles then what you just showed me, oh yea and like I mentioned (0 in Europe) what does that pic prove? What I already new and agreed with that I new rifles had nightforce on them? Like cool bro, really cool send me a pic of a show anywhere in the world but u.s that are showing there military and special forces sniper rifles and tell me how many you see advertised with a nightforce. It's 0 bro 0.Maybe you missed my shot show pics... Accuracy International, Barrett, 90% of the rifles from Mile High Shooting... Better yet, see for yourself.
Again... Troll away and make my day go by faster.
I didn't think they let kids under 18 in... I also don't think you understand what many of the people on here do for a living. Rest assured, I see first hand what the "big boys" run. Maybe Call of Duty needs to update their option list so you can get with the times... Bro.Oh my god bro cool take your butt hurt ass away. You are making yourself look dumb. Cool some top rifles have (some) nightforce scopes on them yes I said that I didn't say otherwise. I can also recap seeing 5 x the amount of schmidts at shot show on rifles then what you just showed me, oh yea and like I mentioned (0 in Europe) what does that pic prove? What I already new and agreed with that I new rifles had nightforce on them? Like cool bro, really cool send me a pic of a show anywhere in the world but u.s that are showing there military and special forces sniper rifles and tell me how many you see advertised with a nightforce. It's 0 bro 0.
OhOh my god bro cool take your butt hurt ass away. You are making yourself look dumb. Cool some top rifles have (some) nightforce scopes on them yes I said that I didn't say otherwise. I can also recap seeing 5 x the amount of schmidts at shot show on rifles then what you just showed me, oh yea and like I mentioned (0 in Europe) what does that pic prove? What I already new and agreed with that I new rifles had nightforce on them? Like cool bro, really cool send me a pic of a show anywhere in the world but u.s that are showing there military and special forces sniper rifles and tell me how many you see advertised with a nightforce. It's 0 bro 0.
abd I'm glad you showed me that mike high pic because now I can say this. It's funny your bragging about nightforce being (displayed) on rifles at mile high (guys by the way I have the up most respect for) but the workers at mile high or the few main ones that I see and here of there setups run a 5-25 pm2 ???????? so please stopOh my god bro cool take your butt hurt ass away. You are making yourself look dumb. Cool some top rifles have (some) nightforce scopes on them yes I said that I didn't say otherwise. I can also recap seeing 5 x the amount of schmidts at shot show on rifles then what you just showed me, oh yea and like I mentioned (0 in Europe) what does that pic prove? What I already new and agreed with that I new rifles had nightforce on them? Like cool bro, really cool send me a pic of a show anywhere in the world but u.s that are showing there military and special forces sniper rifles and tell me how many you see advertised with a nightforce. It's 0 bro 0.
Yet I'm here literally proving you wrong. Seriously I'm not some dick trolling, that's you. I've been having civil debates on this post as you can look back and see saying and proving (facts) while also maintaining respect and acknowledging what a good tier 1 optic nightforce is. And here you are another nightforce bias guy talking to someone who has both, and getting proven wrong while you sit and cry and post how good your nightforce isI didn't think they let kids under 18 in... I also don't think you understand what many of the people on here do for a living. Rest assured, I see first hand what the "big boys" run. Maybe Call of Duty needs to update their option list so you can get with the times... Bro.
What I find hard to believe and I am far from a Schmidt fanboy, very far, is the statement that they are delivered to the govt in a defective state.
I see very few posts "My New Schmidt is DOA".
Also being involved with govt contracts typically the vendor does not get paid until the product is inspected.
I use both equally, you guys are comical splitting hairs like this,
One issue I will state is, or was:
When S&B went to the locking turret they took a quality hit, the DT, and the Ultra Short style turrets are very good, the Locking Turret has had more issues than they should. That said, both are great scopes.
One issue is, NF had that time where things were moving incredibly slow were most other companies were moving very fast. Since then, NF has done an excellent job releasing products that have been a quick hit, at a good price point. Where S&B had a to correct their direction within the market.
Both are excellent optics, and you all are splitting hairs on the rest of the debate.
PS, stop reporting each other, if you can't fight your own battle, don't start one. leave me out of your drama
Great post above.. agreed on the locking turrets. I have my locking turrets without MTC so essentially it feels and performs like the DT. You nailed it frank ?
and to all the little girls who reported me who we were having a manly disscussion you should be ashamed of being a cry baby and reporting. haha I didn't report You so it's a goodGreat post above.. agreed on the locking turrets. I have my locking turrets without MTC so essentially it feels and performs like the DT. You nailed it frank ?
I know right, they reported me. They were but hurt. I was being giving factual replies and was even giving nightforce props on being a top tier 1 brand to not offend the people with a great optic, and they reported me. You know who you are Fenix mikeSo someone reported someone to LowLight? I dont see rude words or personal attack, that was just lame.
Don't be shy now guys come on ?Frank comes in a lays down the law and everyone shuts up a listens haha that guys the GOAT man
I'll be the sacrificial lamb here and start this up again but in a good way. How about everyone shares what they like and dislike about both scopes and features you that one has that would help improve the other. And things you would like to see done differently?
we were having a manly disscussion
Here's another tool. Like wow is it just because I'm not American. I know you folks are proud and all but clearly as other people have mentioned there is nothing inappropriate with what I said. You have others wining and complaining, but there American so i guess it's cool. Stick with what matters you say? Okay so iguess durability and ruggedness doesn't matter and what optics are being (displayed) Is what matters like the guys I was arguing with were saying. Like go away you sound as ignorant a wrong as them. Why don't you act and cry like them to and report me fir hurting your feelings.I guess they grow men differently up there than they do where I'm from, because skimming through some of your comments reminds me of 5th grade, ...bro.
Stop the bullshit trolling and stick with what matters.
Staff or not I'm not guna get called out and treated like a b**ch by nobody, staff or not. I have respect fir everybody on here, I respect the companies I have been talking about, and said so, I said I respected all guys that the other guy was talking about at mile high, and yet they are ripping companies and saying all this crap and nothing gets said to them? Nah man do what you want tell frank or do whatever staff members do, but I'm not guna be called out and treated like a link when I was actually showing RESPECT.Here's another tool. Like wow is it just because I'm not American. I know you folks are proud and all but clearly as other people have mentioned there is nothing inappropriate with what I said. You have others wining and complaining, but there American so i guess it's cool. Stick with what matters you say? Okay so iguess durability and ruggedness doesn't matter and what optics are being (displayed) Is what matters like the guys I was arguing with were saying. Like go away you sound as ignorant a wrong as them. Why don't you act and cry like them to and report me fir hurting your feelings.
You got guys complaining, saying there scope is better cause it's displayed on rifles at shot show, like really dude your giving me crap when your staff and I'm showing respect to guys and you got little babies on here reporting me to frank? Like it or not I say how it is, just like frank, a no bullshit guy witch is why he is respected. That's why I'm straight up with you even though you have staff on your name because I'm an honest straight up dude who is greatful fir guys like frank and yes even you, but I sure as hell am not taking someone trying to pin this on meStaff or not I'm not guna get called out and treated like a b**ch by nobody, staff or not. I have respect fir everybody on here, I respect the companies I have been talking about, and said so, I said I respected all guys that the other guy was talking about at mile high, and yet they are ripping companies and saying all this crap and nothing gets said to them? Nah man do what you want tell frank or do whatever staff members do, but I'm not guna be called out and treated like a link when I was actually showing RESPECT.
Covert, your floor and doors are really nice. Can I come live with you?
So the convo was over then somebody calls me out and I'm not allowed to respond? What just cause you don't got a spine doesn't mean I have to keep my mouth shut when someone calls me out. And seeing as some people are agreeing with me and have called out the actual trolls and there rants calling stuff garbage and washed it's not me. And your opinion really doesn't matter seeing as you are telling me you don't care how much these tactical optics last. Lol pretty sure that's one of the first things tested by military and PRS guys is how rugged is this scope. Why do you think all these reviewers on optics beat the hell out of the optics, cause they are told to and it's is one of the most important aspects of a scope. So you can eat your commentI'm pretty sure that the rest of us are tired of your antics too. You obviously are so caught up in yourself that you have no idea when it's time to shut up. This isn't about S&B vs. Nightforce. Your just being a troll at this point. You know it and so does everyone else here. I own a PMII and would like to have a Nightforce 7-35, like my friend has. I happen to to like the PMII for what I use it one, but could give two fucks how long it will last in battle (something I doubt you have any real knowledge of based upon your communication level).
Why don't you go troll on Arfcom for a while and let this die?
No seriously, this isn't even popcorn funny anymore
Don't be shy now guys come on ?
I don’t think anyone is being shy. I’ll give it a go. I wish the 5-45 s&b was about $1.5k cheaper that’s why I went NF. I also prefer how NF marks the .5 mil marks on the turret. I like being able to set my zero stop at 1 or 1.5 mimil below 0 for my different barrels. I prefer the mil-c to any s&b reticle so far. I wish the NF had locking turrets. Mine have never moved in the field but It would be nice peace of mind. I also wish NF and S&B both did 10 Mils per rev. That’s why my s&b 5-20 is a backup optic for me, I hate the spacing on the turret. I much prefer the illumination on the NF
oh here we go, someone using an iPhone and clicking on my own post reply is such a big stupid idiotic mistake lol check your statement about 4000$ optics not mattering about ruggednessWell, maybe you didn't notice that prior to me making the mistake of feeding the troll, you were having a conversation with yourself. That's why I figured that if I gave you a pointer, you'd get the hint. I'll be done now, since I have better things to do. Argue with yourself. Your doing a good job so far.
you are a tool buddy, go play captain America in your room with your plastic gunThe quoting of yourself and replying in kind numerous times is a clear sign of mental illness. Seek help. Somewhere.
Do you know about S&B 2 new reticles and how do you feel about those
I think nightforce does a really good job listening to customers and kind of having a little something for everybody. It's pretty known that Schmidt and bender has always been quite in the shooting community in regards of publicly supporting things like PRS but now I believe people are saying they are changing that and are taking ownership of that and wanting to be more involved. Do you think big things could be coming from Schmidt in the next 5 year now because of thatYes, but until I see them in person I’ll hold judgment. I do think they have some promise though.
Haha thanks. We got to get together again and shoot some. I’m thinking about picking up an AT. Might have to try yours again first though.
I got that inside joke. very Funny.... lol cleverYou're always welcome to shoot it. Only thing that might hold you back on it is that it has a NF 7-35 on it. I know it's a total POS but i'm guessing you'll make do.
You ain't gonna make it to long around here. Can't say I'm dispointedyou are a tool buddy, go play captain America in your room with your plastic gun
I’m way more interested in the Flir HISS in the pics above than either of
these optics . Both are reliable , but old designs with their own ‘ quirks ‘ .
On the NF , some don’t like the spinny eyepiece that dates back to the
original NXS , ironically designed by March’s Mr Shimizu when he was at
Light Optic Works . You can thank him for the 10 yard focus too .
The Schmidt still has the illumination lump , some don’t like that . Neither
optic has enough elevation for big Magnum ELR without either holding on
the reticle , or adding an Ivey mount or Tacom prism . The market is due
for some new innovation in that area .
Cool bro, factory (american) rifles showing of another (American) scope company hmmmmmm......
your sit here and argue and wine and say oh yea man nightforce is on show rifles at show show so it's #1 lol if that's the case let me put you back down with your own argurmeant.
how many of these top rifles 3-8000$ Systems run nightforce on them, none it's a pm2. How many pm2 do you see on rifles at shot, I see quite a few, go to Europe and see how many nightforce you see at shows. 0 you got nothing but schmidts along side these 5-10,000$ rifles, and here in America you see tons of schmidts. Oh and hey pal here's a (HINT) ask any known member in the shooting community who are involved with these dealers and have the privilege to test products and are inside all the companies. Ask the god himself frank who's forum your in and ask him what scope are all these top optics copying, here's another (hint) it's not a bunch of competitors, it's a pm2
You're always welcome to shoot it. Only thing that might hold you back on it is that it has a NF 7-35 on it. I know it's a total POS but i'm guessing you'll make do.
I wish I had not wasted valuable minutes of my life reading this derailed turd of a thread, but if there is a silver lining, it is your comment. Thank you!Maybe Call of Duty needs to update their option list so you can get with the times... Bro.