Sako TRG

[lazy21]

New to me , are you guys chopping the barrels or just rethreading your TRG's? Also, I'll trade any of you a Pic rail and Spuhr mount for a dovetail Spuhr mount

 

[SmokyJoe]

TRG 22 .308, chopped to 22", threaded for a Badger Thruster brake; brake turned to match barrel dia.

 

[stefan73]

I just bought the 20" barreled TRG. Much easier and cheaper than having to buy and have work done to it.
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[Unknown]

Every time I inquired from Sako's USA sales reps, they tell me the chamber and bore of my TRG22 is hard chromed. I would be afraid to cut the barrel down as the chrome could chip near the muzzle with disastrous effects on accuracy. Oddly, most of the people who post here haven't had an issue with the chrome chipping. Perhaps Sako has a way of applying the chrome to the bore that makes it adhere well enough that it doesn't chip. I'm just glad that cutting them down seems to work out without wrecking a good barrel.

 

[supratt96]

TRG barrels are chrome lined? Are you sure about that? I have owned one for a while now and never heard anything about that. I've bore scoped it and didn't see any indication of that either.

 

[jbell]

This comes up from time to time, the TRG barrels are NOT chrome lined. They are made of chromoly steel as opposed to stainless steel that is it.

As far as the OPs question: I would cut it and rethread it if I was set up for a different thread pitch (meaning already owned a can with a different thread) but if not then I feel the 18X1 is better than any thread out there except the 3/4 which is starting to become popular. I like the large diameter and the high TPI (actually TPMM).

 

[MikeeBooshay]

J,

I have not cut mine down, but my son has a 24" with a Surefire brake on it, and converted to 6.5 Creedmoor.

The best shooting one of these I have seen belongs to our mutual friend, and it is a stock 20" folder, with a brake, no can. I need to borrow it from him, and put my metric 308 can on it and see how it shoots.

By the way, the 338 can, shoots great! I actually threaded the barrel wrong, even knowing the thread was different. Cost an extra evening, but way worth it..

 

[HOGTOOTH5R]

Very Nice Rifle 21! I see you got a couple of nice USOs in the background too, must have a very nice collection of rigs to go with all that nice glass!

 

[Bruiser_Joe]

lazy how long you plan on keeping this gun, lol? just giving you shit, nice rig man

 

[Sinus211]

Sako makes a beautiful rifle of outstanding quality. But I have to wonder, how much more accuracy can this rifle achieve over a Rem700 that costs thousands less?

 

[Bruiser_Joe]

Sako makes a beautiful rifle of outstanding quality. But I have to wonder, how much more accuracy can this rifle achieve over a Rem700 that costs thousands less?

 

[Sinus211]

Stir the pot, stiiiiir the pot...

 

[Captain Kirk]

Sako makes a beautiful rifle of outstanding quality. But I have to wonder, how much more accuracy can this rifle achieve over a Rem700 that costs thousands less?

Sinus, it all comes down to quality and materials. If you look at the fit, finish, quality of manufacturing and such between Sako and Remington, you will see a big difference, and you see it in the price tag as well. If you were to take 50 off the shelf TRGs you would see a pattern of quality and accuracy off the rack, with Remington its a little more of a toss up, but again you could buy two or three for the same price as a TRG, and be able to pick the best one. Its like with anything else, you pay for quality and ingenuity.

lazy21, I just picked up a TRG folder like yours in 308 with a 20" tube green stock. The rifle went straight to Benchmark and is getting a 24" med Palma barrel in 243 chambered for dtacs, treaded 5/8-24. I wish I had input on the rifle, other than the ones I have had little time behind in the field, but I suspect it will be a shooter. I chose the TRG after owning a few AWs and a AE, as well as a handful of AICS stocked rifles over the years. I never fell in love with the AI stock even after owning and shooting them, the TRG seems very similar in design and quality but I prefer the feel of the TRG stock over the AI, just personal preference. It really does share a lot of major design features with the AW/AE rifles, 3 lug bolt with 60 degree bolt, 10 round double stack mag, two stage trigger, similar chassis system, and many other similar features.

 

[Sinus211]

Sinus, it all comes down to quality and materials. If you look at the fit, finish, quality of manufacturing and such between Sako and Remington, you will see a big difference, and you see it in the price tag as well. If you were to take 50 off the shelf TRGs you would see a pattern of quality and accuracy off the rack, with Remington its a little more of a toss up, but again you could buy two or three for the same price as a TRG, and be able to pick the best one. Its like with anything else, you pay for quality and ingenuity.

That makes sense to me. Off the shelf quality is something that I never really anticipated with my Rem. It was more of a starting point, if anything. I guess with a Sako you're stepping in to quality right off the shelf, as opposed to having to build that quality in with aftermarket upgrades.

In hindsight, I would have started with a Howa or Surgeon action and gone from there. My 5R was a fun one to start with, but after all the work a Sako might have been a better answer from the get go.
[MENTION=14290]lazy21[/MENTION] Fine looking rifle there, if you feel like PIF'ing one of those USO's let me know. Broke asses gotta shoot too!

 

[RyanScott]

Sako makes a beautiful rifle of outstanding quality. But I have to wonder, how much more accuracy can this rifle achieve over a Rem700 that costs thousands less?

Accurate rifles are dime a dozen. Any fool can make an accurate rifle. A reliable rifle is useful in the real world.

 

[Sinus211]

Accurate rifles are dime a dozen. Any fool can make an accurate rifle. A reliable rifle is useful in the real world.

Is that a dig at the reliability of Rem's? Because I haven't met many bolt actions that couldn't be counted on in the reliability category.

 

[supratt96]

Sako makes a beautiful rifle of outstanding quality. But I have to wonder, how much more accuracy can this rifle achieve over a Rem700 that costs thousands less?

I've owned 8 different Remingtons, all top of the line models. The best of them have averaged about 3/4 MOA out of the box. After some work I was able to get the best of them to average 1/2 MOA. That was retaining the factory barrel and stock. Only one of the 8 was I able to make that accurate.

I've owned 2 TRGs. Both averaged 3/8s or better right out of the box. And by average, I mean average. Best groups are in the .1s.

This may not seem like a huge difference in the real world, but remember that if you shoot at 1000 yds, the difference is 5 to 6 inches. That's what your paying for. That, and as previously mentioned, an extremely robust and reliable platform.

 

[lazy21]

Sinus, it all comes down to quality and materials. If you look at the fit, finish, quality of manufacturing and such between Sako and Remington, you will see a big difference, and you see it in the price tag as well. If you were to take 50 off the shelf TRGs you would see a pattern of quality and accuracy off the rack, with Remington its a little more of a toss up, but again you could buy two or three for the same price as a TRG, and be able to pick the best one. Its like with anything else, you pay for quality and ingenuity.

lazy21, I just picked up a TRG folder like yours in 308 with a 20" tube green stock. The rifle went straight to Benchmark and is getting a 24" med Palma barrel in 243 chambered for dtacs, treaded 5/8-24. I wish I had input on the rifle, other than the ones I have had little time behind in the field, but I suspect it will be a shooter. I chose the TRG after owning a few AWs and a AE, as well as a handful of AICS stocked rifles over the years. I never fell in love with the AI stock even after owning and shooting them, the TRG seems very similar in design and quality but I prefer the feel of the TRG stock over the AI, just personal preference. It really does share a lot of major design features with the AW/AE rifles, 3 lug bolt with 60 degree bolt, 10 round double stack mag, two stage trigger, similar chassis system, and many other similar features.

Between my AIAW and this one........I'll have a hard time picking, the only downside to the AW. It's super heavy compared to the TRG

lazy how long you plan on keeping this gun, lol? just giving you shit, nice rig man

Till I grow old Sir....(I doubt it )

Very Nice Rifle 21! I see you got a couple of nice USOs in the background too, must have a very nice collection of rigs to go with all that nice glass!

Actually, those are spares. I was going to run a t-pal on the TRG, but think the Hensoldt was a better fit. Trying to keep this light and compact

J,

I have not cut mine down, but my son has a 24" with a Surefire brake on it, and converted to 6.5 Creedmoor.

The best shooting one of these I have seen belongs to our mutual friend, and it is a stock 20" folder, with a brake, no can. I need to borrow it from him, and put my metric 308 can on it and see how it shoots.

By the way, the 338 can, shoots great! I actually threaded the barrel wrong, even knowing the thread was different. Cost an extra evening, but way worth it..

Mike, are you talking about Cris? His is cut down to 18" and you're right. That is a awesome shooting rifle! That's what convinced me on getting one(after he wouldn't sell it to me )

I'm glad the can worked out for you......what did you accidentally thread? If I were to take a wild guess, you did 3/4-20 instead of 3/4-24

That evil voice in the back of my head is saying "screw the 20", let's go 18 or maybe 16"

 

[Bruiser_Joe]

18 FTW do it

 

[BigOhio]

Cut my 308 down to 21" and 300 to 24" and rethreaded in order to make consistent between my rifles. Find the shorter barrels much handier and still getting good velocity.

 

[Kreeper]

Anyone looking for .308 Projectiles?

 

[lazy21]

what grain?

 

[tylerw02]

Anyone looking for .308 Projectiles?

Stop trolling!!!!





Lazy, sweet rig. I almost went for one and would love to have one someday. For now, I'm sticking with AI, though.

 

[NachtKracht]

I am the third owener of my trg 22. It was built in 2000 and after almost 14.000 shots it started opening up to 1-1.25 moa 5shot groups. I have upgraded the stock with a folder and i have had the 26 inch origenall barrel cut back to 20 inch. It now shoots 3/4 moa groups, more than satisfying for my hunting needs.
Ofcourse i lost some velocity, my greentips went from 860 back to 830 mps, roughly 30mps less velocity, still more than satisfying.
I have a brand new barrel laying around, 32 inch with 1-10 twist but the rifle with the 20 inch has become so much more fun to shoot and more importantly, to hump around with, that the long barrel will not see any action any time soon.

 

[lyonseye]

Do you know what the weight of the folding stock is compared to the regular fixed stock?

 

[lyonseye]

I have a TRG in 308. What is involved in changing it to a different caliber? Do you keep the same barrel and action and modify them in some way? I apologize if I sound ignorant; I enjoy long range shooting but know nothing about gunsmithing.

 

[RyanScott]

Is that a dig at the reliability of Rem's? Because I haven't met many bolt actions that couldn't be counted on in the reliability category.

It is a dig at Remingtons, because they fail dramatically more often than other rifles.

 

[lyonseye]

What is the benefit of reducing the length of the 26" barrel? How much weight would it save?

 

[Kreeper]

Sierra MatchKing .30 Cal. 168gr HPBT- Box of (500)
Sierra MatchKing .30 Cal. 165gr HPBT- 2 Box's of (100)
Nosler Custom Competition .30 Cal. 168gr HPBT 2 Box's of 250 (500)
Nosler Custom Competition .30 Cal. 155gr HPBT 2 Box's of 250 (500)
Hornady A-Max .30 Cal. 168gr BT 8 Box's of 100 (800)
Hornady A-Max .30 Cal. 208gr BT 1 Box of (100)
Lake City Brand New Unfired Primed .308 Brass (500)
I also have powder

 

[Kreeper]

Keep it factory stock. They are shooters.

 

[Cobracutter]

It is a dig at Remingtons, because they fail dramatically more often than other rifles.

Exactly. Comparing a stock 700 or a TRG is comical at best.

By the time you spend the money and time to get the 700 anywhere near a TRG, you have already spent TRG money and still have a inferior rifle. It makes no sense unless you have to have certain features you can only get from a custom build. And in that case you start with a real action like GAP, DEFIANCE, SURGEON, BADGER,ect.

The TRG is one of the best off the shelf rifles you can get for the money. Feed it good ammo and it will sing.

 

[Chiller]

Sierra MatchKing .30 Cal. 168gr HPBT- Box of (500)
Sierra MatchKing .30 Cal. 165gr HPBT- 2 Box's of (100)
Nosler Custom Competition .30 Cal. 168gr HPBT 2 Box's of 250 (500)
Nosler Custom Competition .30 Cal. 155gr HPBT 2 Box's of 250 (500)
Hornady A-Max .30 Cal. 168gr BT 8 Box's of 100 (800)
Hornady A-Max .30 Cal. 208gr BT 1 Box of (100)
Lake City Brand New Unfired Primed .308 Brass (500)
I also have powder

Sweets, there are rules about selling. Take some time to think about it.

 

[lazy21]

LMAO chill!

 

[Cowboyjoe67]

Nice rig Lazy!

 

[Sako man]

Sako makes a beautiful rifle of outstanding quality. But I have to wonder, how much more accuracy can this rifle achieve over a Rem700 that costs thousands less?

As my handle implies I may have some bias towards the Sako. That said I have owned a bunch of R700s, and I mean a bunch. Overall the quality and materials are much higher grade in the Sako. The actions are much stronger and are capable of taking higher pressures. As far a accuracy a stock R700 will reach it's potential with some load development where the Sako will shoot a lot of different types of ammos and loads with similar accuracy. The R700 will be all over the map until you find that sweet spot. Both good guns but you pay a premium for that extra performance. It's a Mustang Vs. Corvette type of performance gap. Putting it in MOA terms you go from about 1 MOA to at best .5/.6 MOA with the 700 down to .3 or .25 MOA with the Sako. I have tried all kinds of load dev with stock remingtons till fucking blue in the face, trust me.

For the original thread question. 22" barrel with RAD break, accuracy went from .3 average with 26 barrel to .24/25 average, thats if I'm doing my shit right. Cut the barrel down cuz I fucked it up, haha.

Pic below has 5 rounds in same hole at 100.