Piss on ford, chevy rules......wait, i got ford, nevermind.lol. Good luck with ur endeavors, hope it works out one way or the other on ur 204.
Savage arms....Ill never own another savage!
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Yeap....confirmed! You are "gunshow guy". Let me elaborate on a "gunshow guy" for ya. Gunshow guy is the guy walking around by himself (he has no friends) and stops at booths to look at a rifle and tells the person selling the gun (in a loud/obnoxious voice) how he has shot a 22 point buck with his from 2 miles with a 3x9 factory remington scope and was stuck out in the bush for 30 days due to weather and he had to burn the stock of the gun for firewood and then to top it off made another remarkable shot with the barreled action from 1500 yds on another trophy deer (the one in his mancave). All the while "gunshow guy" has never set foot outside in the wilderness (only has a lifetime subscription to Field and Stream and Guns & Ammo). Ive heard you can pick up a lot tips/knowledge from magazines, but I like to experience it first hand. McFred, thank you for making my day brighter and being a role model (of how not to be). I thank you for stepping up to the plate. As always, Good day Sir.
I would enjoy watching the aftermath, if you ever said that to his face. And if you ever want to take that challenge please let me know, so I can watch.
Back on topic guys, have u tried any other ammo? Did it feed? Have u fired the rifle with any loads yet? If the rifle didn't shoot this hp load very good then all this is moot. I would be upset if this load shot 1/2 moa but wouldn't feed. Never know something might feed and shoot good. I never make a barrel like a bullet, i let the barrel decide. Usually works better that way.
I have tried both remington and winchester hollow points. Both brands did the same thing (push bullet into case). I try to shoot HP bullets because they dont tear up the fur on bobcats and coyotes. Ballistic tips will usually leave massive exit wounds and thats the reason I try to stay away from them. I have fired the gun (dropping the bullet into the chamber from the top). It grouped well with the 34gr HP.
Search on the forum here, you'll find you're mistaken. Get your head out of your ass and get to fixing your rifle instead of beating your chest on the internet.
Looks like yotekiller48's got a girlfriend too! Way to stand up for your man, classy.
What am I supposed to search for? You can PM me what you want me to search for if you're embarrased. I dont judge.
I like my junk thank you. Nothing wrong with Savage actions, bolts and even barrels..although I do prefer custom barrels for precision work. Dont like their stocks either but then again I don't like any factory stocks. All mine shoot sub MOA or much better and are stone cold reliable. I'll put them up against any custom let alone any stock rifle no matter who makes it. Best part is I don't have to pay a gunsmith.
So lets stop the hating and continue the name calling.
So lets stop the hating and continue the name calling.
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That's a pretty bold statement... Makes you wonder why savage didn't enter the PSR contract.
Im just waiting on you to tell me what to search for on the forum. Do you have a credintials thread or something like that I need to search for? Like I said, you can PM me if you're embarrased to put it on a public thread. Once again, I dont judge.
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You told me to search the forum and I figured a man of your intelligence and obvious experience with rifles would steer me in the right direction instead of avoiding the question. Can I just call you "Mr. Hathcock"? I think that is very suiting and portrays your marksmanship, gunsmithing and knowledge. Its obvious you know it all from your posts. So why not help a brotha out and tell me what to search for instead of avoiding the question.
Since this thread went from help fix my rifle, to fuck savage, i guess it won't hurt to derail more. Danco, what is that last chassis? Looks pretty minimalist, about perfect for walking coyote rig. How long is the forearm? Seems like team savage won some little shooting match a yr or two ago, what was that.....oh yeah world fclass. Yep complete junk, tools.
This proves they can make a single shot action that will function in ideal conditions and pay good shooters enough to shoot their stuff. Those rifles didn't even have savage barrels on them.
This doesn't prove that they have a field reliable trigger (because the accutrigger isn't) and it doesn't prove they run reliably in field conditions.
If I was building a bench gun, a savage target action would be a consideration.
Don't know why Savage did not bid. Maybe they did not care. Most likely. But the statement is not so bold. Good action, barrel and chassis put together and operated right will do the trick. A sub minute rifle is a sub minute rifle no matter who made it. My savages shoot better than I am capable of shooting them.
At least I know when to stop trying to force a bullet that won't chamber so I don't stuff the bullet. LOL. Sorry that was a low blow and not called for but I could not help myself.
Sounds like a comment from a group shooter to me. There's a lot more to a rifle than just how tight it will group.
You are crazy if you think a savage could stand up to the same punishment as some of the higher end rifles.
How many do you own, again....???
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Apparently, I missed the whole 'blow-up' thing. Be back in a bit with some answers.
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From someone that owns and shoots a Savage. I have had 4 of them. All feed like crap, all have problems with ejecting the fired case. The factory stocks suck ass. The factory barrels foul like crazy. But they have been the most accurate rifles I have owned . Would I bet my life or others on one, NO WAY! They would not last an hour at the military trials.
Did u try anything other then 34 gr hp? Try different ammo, fix it, sell it, or stfu. Redneck i shoot several savages in some nasty weather, downpours, blizzards nearing whiteouts, dusty August days. Yeah they aren't stock, about the action is only thing savage. The only failure point is the extractor. If u get a partial casehead sep, the gas will push the extractor over. Takes all of 2 seconds to fix, don't even have to pull the bolt. More reliable then a Remington extractor, assuming the remington works(223 don't).
No yotekiller, just the non stop claims of not chambering 2 exact loads and describing it as junk cause it won't chamber any factory ammo. It won't feed 34 gr hp, if that won't work for u either fix it so it does or sell the POS. U have guys trying to help, that are savage knowledgeable, and guys that came to talk shit out of their ass. They add nothing constuctive, and then u want to keep calling it junk. Hell i don't care, i've got savage customs, rem customs, and tikka customs. I see the advantage and user friendliness of savage, i also prefer the bolt throw of rem over savage. Not by much, my savages are pretty smooth. Both suck compared to my tikkas.
Sorry got lost there, long story short, when the savage guys are trying to help u solve ur problem, u rip on their brand of rifles. The irony is just kinda shitty. Good luck with this, i honestly hope this all works out for u. I'm done so 6 br out.
Sorry got lost there, long story short, when the savage guys are trying to help u solve ur problem, u rip on their brand of rifles. The irony is just kinda shitty. Good luck with this, i honestly hope this all works out for u. I'm done so 6 br out.
I am laying in bed right now reading this thread with my Indian princess hugging I love her so much in her new Mcree panties and rock creek hole. lol
On a serious note that is sad that they clearly did not care about your issue and where aware. imho maybe an offer to exchange it for a model of equal value which would function correctly was in order. either way I have had very good luck with my Indian girl. nite nite
On a serious note that is sad that they clearly did not care about your issue and where aware. imho maybe an offer to exchange it for a model of equal value which would function correctly was in order. either way I have had very good luck with my Indian girl. nite nite
I will say this. I spent a number of years doing over the phone Cust Service for several companies from General Motors, to a highend bike parts company and even a custom rifle company. And what the guy was saying on the phone is all that HE is empowered to say. At GM, the most structured place I worked at, there was certain criteria you had to meet before "escalating" the call to someone who had more authority than you. The CS rep was to do their darndest to make the customer as happy as they could whilst also getting them off the phone as fast as they can. If the customer was dissatisfied with service rendered by the CS rep, they would ask for the manger usually. This would typically get another canned spiel and round and round it would go with the CS rep trying many tactics to get the pissed off customer off the phone but in a nice way. But if they asked 3 times (or so) then up the chain it went. My guess is, is that homie at Savage #1 doesn't get paid crap. #2 isn't super excited about dealing with other people's crap due to low pay grade. #3 due to the aforementioned issues, said employee probably is not empowered to do much more than answer the phones and issue call tags. I would venture a guess that you could ask to speak to their manager, and be polite about it. The 2 people in the world you don't want to piss of are your Nurse when in the hospital and CS reps. Going up the chain could get you 2 places. First it could get you to the manager or whomever that might be able to hook you up with something, or it could get you over to some salty smith like guy in their warranty dept that knows whats up and could help you get the problem solved. Frankly I don't see why anyone would want people on the phone that don't really enjoy what they do to some degree and also have a depth of technical knowledge of the product. Or at the very least, have your tier 3 grunt answer the phone, but if need be, transfer the call to their Tier 1 tech guy that knows more about everything than the engineers upstairs. Its not rocket surgery and it goes a long ways with how a company is view by customers.
While I agree that they should put something in the lit that they sent with the gun about this, if they are only getting 25-30 calls per year vs the hundreds of guns sold, its probably not worth their time. Not saying that its right, sometimes its just business. And odds are, most of the 204's and 223's probably work fine with those rounds, but not all so they have to say that.
And I have Called savage and as a former CS rep, I can tell you I was not impressed at all either.
While I agree that they should put something in the lit that they sent with the gun about this, if they are only getting 25-30 calls per year vs the hundreds of guns sold, its probably not worth their time. Not saying that its right, sometimes its just business. And odds are, most of the 204's and 223's probably work fine with those rounds, but not all so they have to say that.
And I have Called savage and as a former CS rep, I can tell you I was not impressed at all either.
I have no idea if this is true or not but I was told that the Savage 223 guns are really just 308 guns with slight mods to run 223. I will say that mine can also be pretty finicky at times with certain ammo. If I load anything past the 2.30" AOL mark I start to have some feed issues and have had the bullet get pushed into the case in the past causing gun powder to spill all inside the chamber. I have learned with certain loads that I have to hand feed them and with other loads I can pop them in the mag and run them without a problem. My custom savage build was built as a low budget rifle and it really a great shooter for the money.
The "slight mods" are a different bolt head, a different magazine/follower designed for 204/223 cases, and an extended bolt baffle that reduces bolt throw as the 223 magazine is shorter in length than a 308.
I have no idea how those "slight mods" are differ from comparing a R700 223 action to a R700 308 action, ie. obviously it involves a bolt swap but I dunno if the bolt throw changes any or if there are any other geometry changes.
Older Savage staggerfeed/4.27" actions were widely known to have common feed issues, typically related to the feed lips of the magazine that was attached to the action getting bent and geometry out of whack. When Savage switched to the newer centerfeed/4.41" action with magazine affixed to the stock, this mostly eliminated those issues but obviously has not completely solved the problem.
I previously owned a staggerfeed 12FV 204 (got swapped to a 223 barrel) that had trouble feeding rounds from the right side of the blind magazine, with bullets hitting the barrel face as mentioned here. It was annoying yes, not suitable for a "working" gun, but I *could* have fixed it with 5 minutes of my time and a pair of pliers but instead decided to install a CDI DBM system and it worked just fine from an AICS magazine. I had that rifle used and have no idea its previous history, but would agree completely that it if it left the factory that way it should be resolved.
The OP shouldn't *have* to mess with his magazine, but it very well may be his issue could be solved with 5 minutes and a pair of pliers. Or, getting Savage CS to send him a new magazine which would possibly work just fine.
Or, we can spend another day with SH members calling Savages junk.
Speaking of fairy tale land, where are you? As a Primary Marksmanship Instructor, I can tell you. For a fact. I have seen (literally) hundreds of rounds that had the bullet set back in the case, chambered and fired without issue in M-16/AR-15's. You speak of something you do not know....
As to the OP's issue, go find another type of ammo and quit your f'ing whining. I have a .223 Savage and it hates the 55gr Sierra HP...so now I shoot BT's. BFD. You have 20 posts and they're all bitching about how the world hasn't magically reoriented itself to orbit you. F'ing please...
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Primary Marksmanship Instructor........Next post you'll be the god damn president. Go do your thing and role around in woods and act like you're in a combat situation and teach others trash you only read in books and online paintball forums. c-ya!
...Roll...not role. You really question this guy? And why? Because he called you out? Your retaliation sounds more like jealousy and a slight case of retardation. The best part here is you have all of 21 posts and 90% of them are you arguing about your Savage that could have been fixed with a little intelligence. But instead, you decide to nip at everyone's heels. What are you trying to sell? Go water down some other forum with your uncanny ability to show that your mother was a drunkard while pregnant.
PMI, no need to cast pearls before swine.
Aaaaaaand I see we got the General chiming in now. Anyone can be a hero online son. Read the first/initial post weekend warrior. Its obvious you dont read everything, just what you want. Every forum has guys like urself...."gunshow guy". I however did receive some good advice on what to do to fix it and I thank the individuals who chimed in and didnt try to be hero's...unlike yourself. I tried opening up the mag lips last night and still got the same result. Going to try some different ammo this evening. And to answer your question, yes Ill question an internet "Primary Marksmanship Instructor" when he replies with a dipshit response like he did. And as for you, "gunshow guy", your response shows just how much of a retard you actually are.
I dunno. I kind of find some of this kind of ----, well-----, entertaining. The OP will never be convinced that he's wrong in any way. The rest will continue to poke him just to see what his next response will be. Like I said. kind of entertaining to read on a slow day. Apparently others agree as there are now 93 posts on a topic that was doomed from the start.
(typed while prepping for a colonoscopy and enjoying some reading material while on the throne. Call me "king for a day"
Expect to be here for hours so keep the posts coming )
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(Said in an internet voice of authority) "Now son, you just don't get it. This post is not retarded, because I'm posting in it. Anyone else who posts in it, is a retard, naturally, but that because I'm bigger, badder and meaner than all you internet tough guys".
Sorry, I couldn't think of how to add any illiterate mis-spellings to convey the true retarded nature of the OP...oh wait, that's because I'm a retard.
LOL!A bullet pushed back completely below the neck like the pics the OP sent me can and will cause an over pressure. The other thing it can cause it a bullet stuck in the barrel when all the powder runs out of it, I have personally had this happen in an AR. Luckily I caught it and didn't pull the trigger again. The bullet was lodged about 2" from the chamber. Had I shot another round this would have most definitely been a kaboom.
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