Rifle Scopes Schmidt and bender durability and toughness, how durable are they? how does it compare to NF and every other brand?

[ken226]

It's actually very functional and useable. It ain't TT or ZCO glass, but it's more than useable, with the faintest hint of CA (I have a 5-25). Low light performance is actually quite good.

Yes, I actually had no doubt. I'm enjoying this thread enough that I posted a link to that thread, just to contrast the opinions in this thread, with the opinions it that one.

https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/mark-5-5-25-observations.6975241/#post-8149591

That thread has a few guys looking through the MK5 side by side with the ATACR, and giving the MK5 the win for glass.

Also a few comparisons with S&B.

I was just wondering who's full of crap, these guys or those guys. ?

 

[deersniper]

Mk5 has awesome glass and turrets. It equals or slightly edges out the atacr.

 

[Dthomas3523]

Glass is mostly subjective at each “level.”

There are a few everyone feels are a bit better than the rest.

Then you will hear this and that is better. That and this is better, etc etc.

 

[ChadL]

Just curious if anyone has seen any updates of the operator who handled the NF scope that was at zero Kelvin? ?

 

[ken226]

Frostbite on his fingers.

Which somehow spread to his nose, and buttcrack...

 

[DOA]

While S&B are good scopes. ZCO should own that market because of the insane prices S&B wants for their optics.

Just wished ZCO had LE/Mil discounts. They don't. I asked.

 

[M8541Reaper]

Wait... did people actually take the 0 kelvin comment as being serious? That entire comment was dripping with sarcasm.

 

[Huskydriver]

Wait... did people actually take the 0 kelvin comment as being serious? That entire comment was dripping with sarcasm.
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Boomers.....

 

[M8541Reaper]

Boomers.....

Ah, makes sense. I was starting worry that I was losing my grasp on reality lol.

 

[slayer 2c]

I love you guys...…...crack me up every morning!

 

[deersniper]

ZCO is the best scope currently I think we can all agree on ghat.

 

[charnicus]

 

[Night Vision Viking]

ZCO is the best scope currently I think we can all agree on ghat.

So far I haven't seen one on any military service rifle, but perhaps they are used by the super secret ops?

S&B on the other hand...

 

[deersniper]

So far I haven't seen one on any military service rifle, but perhaps they are used by the super secret ops?

S&B on the other hand...

Lol do you know how military procurement programs “work”?

 

[CSTactical]

So far I haven't seen one on any military service rifle, but perhaps they are used by the super secret ops?

S&B on the other hand...

Not that it really means anything since military contracts are complicated, typically pretty long term and overall cost is a major factor.
But I know for a "fact" that ZCO's have been recently acquired by our military.

 

[Nik H]

So far I haven't seen one on any military service rifle, but perhaps they are used by the super secret ops?

S&B on the other hand...

Neither of my S&B PM II can complete with my ZCO...

 

[Huskydriver]

Neither of my S&B PM II can complete with my ZCO...

Agreed.


but until zco comes out with an ultra short that can give a 520 US a run for it's money tho I'll still be rocking SB ultra shorts on rifles I need a compact scope. 420 is still to long and I need some msr2 love.

 

[deersniper]

420 is still to long

Here’s one for ya if having the smallest is your goal in life

 

[Huskydriver]

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Here’s one for ya if having the smallest is your goal in life

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SB is almost 10% shorter, it's lighter and has the msr2 reticle.........ew eotech wtf is the matter with you...... Think your Burt gummer midlife crisis is messing with your head

 

[deersniper]

SB is almost 10% shorter, it's lighter and has the msr2 reticle.........ew eotech wtf is the matter with you...... Think your Burt gummer midlife crisis is messing with your head

Don’t hate it’s the only one that leaves me enough room on my Covert for a UTCXII when I’m doing covert things

 

[Huskydriver]

Don’t hate it’s the only one that leaves me enough room on my Covert for a UTCXII when I’m doing covert things

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Ew gross get that poor scope outta here lol...a 520 us would look great there

 

[Barelstroker]

How durable and tough are Schmidt and bender scopes? Nightforce is legendary when it comes to taking abuse, But I’m wondering how does Schmidt compare? Are Schmidt’s tough? How do they compare in durability and toughness compared to other top scope brands?

If you haven't already made up your mind after all this time, I would get a Schmidt.
Night force has very good glass but I think most would agree that Schmidt has better.
Night force are very tough but all the night force scopes I've looked through had what I consider to be very tight, annoying eye boxes.

 

[Huskydriver]

There ain't nothing covert about that arca rail/ hand block thing tho....

Don't hurt his feelers he's having a rough day in a couple threads... Got an angry Canadian taunting him

 

[deersniper]

There ain't nothing covert about that arca rail/ hand block thing tho....

That thing is Really Right

If ya don’t know ya don’t know

 

[Night Vision Viking]

Not that it really means anything since military contracts are complicated, typically pretty long term and overall cost is a major factor.
But I know for a "fact" that ZCO's have been recently acquired by our military.

Yes I know that, but I have yet to see them Perhaps it's because I'm not a bad guy.

If you look at any Military Sniper Competition you see almost nothing but S&Bs on the rifles.

Canada & U.S. Airforce (yeah I know, they can just cancel a B52 flightor two and keep the money for any scope they want) were the last ones I know that purchased S&B 3-20x50 PMIIs.

I have the Canadian 3-20x50 PMII here, -46C version. I can see why they chose it.

I have evaluated both the ZC527 and the ZC420. The latter didn't impress as much.


Custom Canadian Army C17 Coyote tan on the one below, new Aimpoint Acro P-2 on top.

 

[Night Vision Viking]

Here’s one for ya if having the smallest is your goal in life

Friends don't recommend EOTechs, or Leupolds.

The German Army fairly recently came out with an RFQ asking for a <30 m riflescope for their DMR.
I think only two scopes would survive that, and the rest of the demands - like -46C and submersible etc. - I think the EOTech would be long gone.

 

[deersniper]

Ew gross get that poor scope outta here lol...a 520 us would look great there

Ya know. Benders suck. But one of these would look really nice on there

What do they bring used ?$$$

 

[deersniper]

If you look at any Military Sniper Competition you see almost nothing but S&Bs on the rifles.

Lol what ? Is this the 1990s?

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Have you actually looked at many rifles from mil sniper competitions?

 

[Night Vision Viking]

Have you actually looked at many rifles from mil sniper competitions?

All the time. Steiners have increased in popularity, mainly due to Sako/Beretta contracts I think plus the German G22A2.

Still not a single ZCO.

A few examples:

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www.thefirearmblog.com

Europe Best Sniper Team Competition 2018 (Part 3) The Winners

This is Part 3 and the last series of pictures from Europe’s Best Sniper Team Competition 2018.You can find Part 1 and Part 2 here, as well as a photo of two Dutch snipers involved in a pretty strange shooting position.Part 3 – The winnersThe winning sniper team came from the Swedish Air Force...

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Canada's C20s get Schmidt & Bender 3-20×50 Ultra Short Scopes in Coyote M17 TAN

Schmidt & Bender are now supplying the Canadian Department of National Defence with their 3-20x50 Ultra Short riflescope. This is a great riflescope for any type of AR-based rifles, where space is tight but you still want to be able to have a riflescope to be able to use the C20 to its full extent.

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Schmidt & Bender 5-25×56 PM II PSR Limited Edition

As most readers know Schmidt & Bender (Germany) won the Precision Sniper Rifle Program of the United States Special Operations Command.Since 2011 S&B have been been supplying the Special Forces of the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines with high quality optics.There is a limited edition of that...

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[deersniper]

All the time. Steiners have increased in popularity, mainly due to Sako/Beretta contracts I think plus the German G22A2.

Still not a single ZCO.

A few examples:

82nd Airborne Snipers Jump Testing Army's New Compact Sniper Rifle System

The 82nd Airborne has been conducting jump testing of the Army's new CSASS rifle. Operational testing during training exercises was conducted to check that the rifle's optic was retaining zero after parachute jumps. The test team used a mobile weapons boresight collimator to check for shift in zero.

www.thefirearmblog.com

Europe Best Sniper Team Competition 2018 (Part 3) The Winners

This is Part 3 and the last series of pictures from Europe’s Best Sniper Team Competition 2018.You can find Part 1 and Part 2 here, as well as a photo of two Dutch snipers involved in a pretty strange shooting position.Part 3 – The winnersThe winning sniper team came from the Swedish Air Force...

www.thefirearmblog.com

POTD: The Sniper's Nest

Today's Photos brings us to a place you really want to avoid in time of a conflict, the Sniper's Nest. The pictures are taken during the culminating event, after three weeks of a screening that every scout sniper candidate must complete before attending scout sniper school.

www.thefirearmblog.com

POTD: Belgian Sniper with Suppressed FN SCAR

Wonderful images from the NATO Maritime Interdiction Operational Training Centre. The picture above with the Belgian Special Forces Sniper and his FN SCAR on a tripod is just perfect.

www.thefirearmblog.com

POTD: Danish 2nd Brigade Sniper Competition

Pictures from the 2nd Brigade and the Danish International Sniper Competition . Eigthteen teams from various places in Europe fighting for the win and glory.

www.thefirearmblog.com

POTD: Sniper from Marinejegerkommandoen with HK417 & Colt C8

You are looking at a sniper from the Marinejegerkommandoen Special Operation Commando. You can see the muzzle flash from his Heckler & Koch HK417

www.thefirearmblog.com

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Precision Rifle Series (PRS) can best be described as a mixture between long-range and precision rifle shooting and practical shooting.

www.thefirearmblog.com

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Schmidt & Bender are now supplying the Canadian Department of National Defence with their 3-20x50 Ultra Short riflescope. This is a great riflescope for any type of AR-based rifles, where space is tight but you still want to be able to have a riflescope to be able to use the C20 to its full extent.

www.thefirearmblog.com

POTD: France's New Sniper Rifle

Florence Parly, France's Ministre des Armees / Minister for the Armed Forces has shared a photo of France's newly adopted sniper rifle via twitter.

www.thefirearmblog.com

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Photo Of The Day – We’re in for a look at Polish snipers and some of their rifles & optics today.The Polish Bor Sniper Rifle isn’t something you see every day.TFB only covered this rifle briefly in previous articles.

www.thefirearmblog.com

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Photo Of The Day and yet another great photo by Hille James Combat Photographer. Today we're looking at a Dutch sniper of the Korps Commandotroepen (KCT) in Afghanistan. The sniper has a Suppressed Heckler & Koch HK417 with, most likely, a Schmidt & Bender riflescope and an Aimpoint Micro as a...

www.thefirearmblog.com

Schmidt & Bender 5-25×56 PM II PSR Limited Edition

As most readers know Schmidt & Bender (Germany) won the Precision Sniper Rifle Program of the United States Special Operations Command.Since 2011 S&B have been been supplying the Special Forces of the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines with high quality optics.There is a limited edition of that...

www.thefirearmblog.com

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Today’s Photo is one of the strangest shooting positions I’ve ever seen, and it involves what most likely is the spotter and a lot of various bags used to support the sniper and his Accuracy International sniper rifle.Does anyone have a name for this shooting position?Some of my friends...

www.thefirearmblog.com

lol Europe ?

look at the us sniper competitions and get back to me

 

[Night Vision Viking]

lol Europe ?

look at the us sniper competitions and get back to me

It's been so long since the Americans won any sniper competitions in Europe or Internationally

And you must have missed the US links up there.

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[charnicus]

lol Europe ?

look at the us sniper competitions and get back to me

I was gonna say, the TFB blog was 3/4 heavy with November Foxtrot

 

[Huskydriver]

Ya know. Benders suck. But one of these would look really nice on there

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What do they bring used ?$$$

Depends on reticle and turret type but 3kish

 

[deersniper]

Depends on reticle and turret type but 3kish

Il give ya like $2k.

$3 is getting to ZCO territory or I can put a superior to Bender nx8 on and have a picatinny extender machine

 

[Huskydriver]

Il give ya like $2k.

$3 is getting to ZCO territory or I can put a superior to Bender nx8 on and have a picatinny extender machine

You do you playa lol....

 

[Northernjets]

Il give ya like $2k.

$3 is getting to ZCO territory or I can put a superior to Bender nx8 on and have a picatinny extender machine

Have you tried an Arken? I hear they'll see sound and the built in telepathic ballistic calculator is directly calculated by baby Jesus and Tactical Dalai Lama

 

[acudaowner]

well i own neither , but if your paying for the scope I will beat nails in boards with them if that is what you want on the other hand you could buy them and do that test your self with your own money I have cheap scopes that I've had for well over 25 years and they mostly work thanks in part to my not beating the hell out of my stuff I also have not so cheap scopes I expect no less from them to last well into the future with the exception of a freak civil war or natural disaster of which I have no control over . I don't really see much of a difference between the two quality wise every company makes a turn now and again but other wise they are both nice scopes the only big differences are in personal opinion . Chinese glass or German who cares as long as it worked as you need it to when you need it .

 

[stefan73]

I have both Nightforce and S&B. I plan to buy an ATACR down the road to try out. So while I like Nightforce, I like my S&B better in regards to image. Whatever coating they use on the lens of my NXS just doesn't suit my fancy. My NXS did stop elevating for some reason. When I contacted Nightforce CS they instructed me to reset my zero stop. Seems to be working again.

I also do not abuse my stuff and try to take care of it.

 

[hafejd30]

I have both Nightforce and S&B. I plan to buy an ATACR down the road to try out. So while I like Nightforce, I like my S&B better in regards to image. Whatever coating they use on the lens of my NXS just doesn't suit my fancy. My NXS did stop elevating for some reason. When I contacted Nightforce CS they instructed me to reset my zero stop. Seems to be working again.

I also do not abuse my stuff and try to take care of it.

When it comes to NF the NXS and the ATACR are not in the same league

The NXS I had was on par (actually slightly worse) then my Sightron SIII 6-24. I sold the NF and left the Sightron on the rifle

I would guess the NF ATACR vs NXS would be similar in comparison to a Vortex PST vs Razor or Burris XTRIII vs XTRIII

 

[stefan73]

When it comes to NF the NXS and the ATACR are not in the same league

The NXS I had was on par (actually slightly worse) then my Sightron SIII 6-24. I sold the NF and left the Sightron on the rifle

I would guess the NF ATACR vs NXS would be similar in comparison to a Vortex PST vs Razor or Burris XTRIII vs XTRIII

Dang! That is good to hear. Whenever I can clear up some funds I want to get a DT HTI and put an ATACR on there.