Rifle Scopes School Me on Scopes for 1000yds, Tube diameter etc

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Ok, I have read for hours on snipershide, I have just purchased a GAP 300winmag and am looking for a scope to go with it... I have been shooting a Sendero with a Millett 16x scope out to 800yds. Now, I see that the preference is the lower power scopes about 15x. I was looking at the Premiers but they are several months out... I was also thinking Nightforce 5.5x22. Or maybe US optics, with the US optics I can go 34mm tube. Is there a great advantage to the larger 34mm tube and why SHOULDN'T I order a higher power scope in the 22x range? At 800yds a 2liter bottle is tiny in my Millett at 16x and the cross hairs completely cover it up, granted it is a very cheep scope. Is high dollar glass that much clearer that I can see/shoot 2liter bottles for example at 1000yds fairly easily?

Thanks,
Richard
 
#2
Re: School Me on Scopes for 1000yds, Tube diameter etc

How wide is a 2 liter bottle 6"???

So you want to engage a .6 MOA target at 1000 yards and not have it covered by crosshairs? Possibly the IOR SH edition....if I rember correctly it had a dot in center and was clear around it then the horizontal and vertical lines were there after a small gap in the lines.
 
#5
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wil</div><div class="ubbcode-body">USMC got it done for years with 10X</div></div>...and not a single 2-liter bottle lived to tell its friends.
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#7
Re: School Me on Scopes for 1000yds, Tube diameter etc

Hello

for a little tec info.

More power gives the ability to zoom in to the target if its small. And yes the marines used 10X for a long time but they also only have to hit the target some where and its a good size target many times.

Disadvantage of higher power is increase noticable shake, marage, haze. but with zoom you can turn down to a more suitable power,

As to scope tube size, you gain 2 main things with bigger tube. 1 Strength, 2 adjustment. Millett has a LRS scope with a 35 mm tube, it gives 140 moa of adjustment. ITs not any brighter just more adjustments and strength.

For long range you will want exposed turrets so you cam make adjustments for windage and elevation for the differing ranges. Positive clicks, locking turrets are good features.

Dont always go by the price, there are many scopes that by name are over priced. Ck the sharpness, ( detail you can see ) and the features for the money. Compare with out looking at the price.

Hope this helps you in your search for a scope.

Steve
 
#8
Re: School Me on Scopes for 1000yds, Tube diameter etc

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">why would you wish to hurt 2-liter bottles......?

now milk jugs is worth putting the hammer to....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om5HyYfNhTc </div></div>

C'mon BOLTRIPPER, I was fully expecting a "fill out your profile" so you could ask him if there was any thirsty children in his place of residence.
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Im still waiting for a dinner invitation too.
 
#9
Re: School Me on Scopes for 1000yds, Tube diameter etc

At Reade Range we shoot at a 5" dot at 1000 and I have no problems seeing it and aiming on it with my Nightforce 3.5-15x50 F1. The scope has a 30mm tube, 110 MOA of elevation and is plenty clear. The 5.5-22 is the same but with 100 MOA. Not a bad choice for a 300WM. I plan on putting one on my new 300WM build.
 
#13
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Now, if you were actually using the USO that the gentlemen is holding all those hits would be dead center of that dot. Just busting your balls, thanks for posting the picture. I was just curious because a black dot might be hard to distinguish clearly from the reticle on a hot day...do you have any mirage issues shooting at it?
 
#14
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No Joe. It's one shot per shooter. Hit the dot and get 25 points and if you are closest to center you get an extra 100 bonus points. My shot is about behind the U in US Optics on the scope someone was holding up. I dialed an extra .2 mils because at 800 my shots were about .1 low so I figured I would add a little. My mistake. Would have been almost dead center with my chart data.
 
#15
Re: School Me on Scopes for 1000yds, Tube diameter etc

No Dark Horse no mirage issues. Saw it perfect. Just second guessed my data. The F1 worked as it should. The shooter didn't.
 
#16
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I was just talking mirage in general, not specifically on that day. I could only wish to have access to 1000 yards all the time. We are limited to once a month between May and September, so the rest of the time I spend it at 600.
 
#17
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I don't get to those ranges except for matches. My longest range I have access to is only 400 yards. That is why I demand my scopes to track perfectly as I go off data sheets. That said it was pretty good conditions for mirage at Reade and if it didn't cause a problem there then I'm pretty sure it will be fine anywhere.
 
#19
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I think Albany is about a 3 hour or so drive. Not too bad. It might be fun to take a drive up and shoot to 1000.
 
#20
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Only one shoot left on Sept.7th. Love to shoot it but no way my TRG-42 is ready to go by then. Its going to get a new barrel and I don't plan on seeing it before December. I might be stretching my M14 at 1000 yards with an 18" barrel, but hey if you are interested and are shooting .308, I have a couple thousand rds of 168 TAP to play with. Let me know, I'll take the day off.
 
#21
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Will have to check the schedule to see but what type of comp is it? I got plenty of factory 168 AMAX loads thanks anyways
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#23
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Sorry when you said shoot I thought it was a competition of some sort but an open day of shooting would be cool. I'll check the work schedule.
 
#24
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Is everyone using scopes that are ffp at this level? If you're going to be shooting at a known distance, 1K, is it important to have a ffp scope?
 
#25
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: millett</div><div class="ubbcode-body">... And yes the marines used 10X for a long time but they also only have to hit the target some where and its a good size target many times. </div></div>


Respectfully... I beg to disagree sir...
 
#26
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Seekers</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is everyone using scopes that are ffp at this level? If you're going to be shooting at a known distance, 1K, is it important to have a ffp scope? </div></div>

No, IMHO it actually is better to shoot a SFP scope if you are never going to use it for ranging or holdovers (and/or you will not be under any time constraints for follow up shots).

If precise fire is your goal at long range, then I would go with a SFP. As you up the magnification, the target size apears to grow, but the reticle does not. Some complain that the FFP reticles get to thick at high mag, not an issue with SFP.
 
#27
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gugubica</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some complain that the FFP reticles get to thick at high mag, not an issue with SFP.
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Those would be the same that don't understand that the FFP reticle is growing in relation to the target size so it's not covering anymore of the target at 20x than it did at 10x. It just appears to do so to people used to SFP. Realizing this and retraining to get used to it takes care of this misconception.
 
#28
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gugubica</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some complain that the FFP reticles get to thick at high mag, not an issue with SFP.
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Those would be the same that don't understand that the FFP reticle is growing in relation to the target size so it's not covering anymore of the target at 20x than it did at 10x. It just appears to do so to people used to SFP. Realizing this and retraining to get used to it takes care of this misconception. </div></div>

Agreed, and I should note that I personally only have FFP scopes now. But if one does not need the advantages of a FFP system, then one can benifit from the target growing in size compared to the reticle. i.e. if your reticle covers that entire target at 5x, then with FFP, it will cover the entire target at 20x too. With a SFP it will cover a much smaller area of the same target at 20x.

It is admittedly nice to be able to "zero" in on as small an area of your target as possible. But I use my reticle for more than that, so FFP it is.

If the Dual Focal Plane concept ever gets off the ground, it could be huge. You would have the advantages of both.
 
#29
Re: School Me on Scopes for 1000yds, Tube diameter etc

Wasn't directed at you Gug but just to put it out there for general reading about FFP. I also agree that for some shooting sports the SFP is a better option.
 
#32
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jasmck</div><div class="ubbcode-body">if you look closely the guy was superimpossed , notice his foot didnt disturb the dirt </div></div>

You're right, and his shadow disappears right before the shot.

NOT funny.

Bill
 
#33
Re: School Me on Scopes for 1000yds, Tube diameter etc

Haha, hey Rob, no offence taken. I mainly wanted to use the opportunity to say that I don't run any SFP scopes any more (full disclosure and all).

We don't disagree at all, and your point is valid and should be considered when selecting an optic.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wasn't directed at you Gug but just to put it out there for general reading about FFP. I also agree that for some shooting sports the SFP is a better option. </div></div>
 
#34
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I also agree that for some shooting sports the SFP is a better option. </div></div>

Could you explain a little for us (me) new to the FFP/SFP arena please?

TIA, Seekers
 
#35
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Something like F Class where you are laying on a firing line and shooting at one range at a time with no holds needed or ranging the SFP might work out better for you and save you some money.
 
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