My son would actually love those, he's into retro gear and stuff that looks like it's from 1950's pre-microprocessor age
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Rifle Scopes SHOT Show 2021 Rumor Mill and What's Coming
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Probably more rumor than anything else but a thread was started hinting toward another reticle from ZCO.
March is still saying they should have my full production 4.5-28x52 with FML-TR1 reticle shipped by end of the month, by the time it goes through all the customs and such I should hopefully have it by mid February.
March is still saying they should have my full production 4.5-28x52 with FML-TR1 reticle shipped by end of the month, by the time it goes through all the customs and such I should hopefully have it by mid February.
I am assuming that once you get a production unit we will be seeing a review on it. Would you happen to be considering a review of March's 1.5-15x42 SFP optic as well?
That is an accurate assumption. I had the pre-production unit but no review because it was... "pre" production, they took the recommendations of a number of us and are re-working a few things to better fit a competition class scope so I have hope the production unit will be even better. Once I get some time behind it and can really put it through the gauntlet (well not really because I bought it) I will have a full review and comparison.
The 1.5-15 is a SFP optic and doesn't have much appeal, but I am supposed to get a copy to look at, I will not be doing a full review but will post my comments once I have a little time with it.
More details on new Leupold scopes and reticles can be found here:
www.snipershide.com
Rifle Scopes - New Leupold Scopes
Other than being able to share what's announced I know no details as I have not seen anything 1st hand VX-6HD 4-24x52 (34mm) CDS-ZL2 Side Focus Illum. TMOA VX-3HD 1.5-5x20 (1 inch) CDS-ZL Duplex VX-3HD 1.5-5x20 (30 mm) CDS-ZL Illum. FireDot Twilight Hunter VX-3HD 2.5-8x36 (1 inch) CDS-ZL...
www.snipershide.com
Rumor has it a new FFP crossover scope is coming, decent mag range but more importantly LIGHT WEIGHT, better mag range than LRHS2, lighter and shorter with a nice reticle. Coming this spring.
This is what I'm hoping is the very optic I've been waiting for. My list has been narrowed to Vortex, Leupold, and NF for special pricing but haven't pulled the trigger on any of their offerings due to weight of scopes for a particular rifle. Low weight is one of the priorities for this scouting rifle for the mountains where I'll retire and once lived up in Idaho. To still be able to notch 5-10 miles in the hills and mountains up there with these shrapnel filled knees this weapon setup needs to shed some weight.
I was leaning towards the NF NX8 1-8 but unfortunately would really only be a 6X in low light or inclement weather.
My older Leupold 3-9X36 MK4 is the perfect weight but that glass and mil dot reticle, not that great.
My Vortex Gen II 1-6 is a brick, and the new Gen III weighs the same.
My notepad looks like this on weights and minus the prices:
NF ATACR 1-8X24 21.0oz
NF NX8 1-8X24 17.0oz
NF NXS 2.5-10X42 20.5oz (leaning to this one)
Leupold MK5 3.6-18X44 26.0oz
Leupold MK4 3-9X36 16.0oz (old scope)
Vortex Gen II 1-6X24 21.5oz
Vortex Gen III 1-10X24 21.5oz
Vortex HD LHT 3-15X42 19.1oz (Too long)
Please sir, throw to us a mere scrap. I nearly bought another LRHS 4.5-18 tonight.
What brand? (does it start with V?) And if not, a rough price??
Just wanted the SCR2 reticle illuminated, not a separate module.There's this..
Introducing Burris Thermal Optics | Take night hunting to a new level with three game-changing new thermal optics from Burris. The Thermal Handheld will hot track targets out past 750... | By Burris Optics - Facebook
Take night hunting to a new level with three game-changing new thermal optics from Burris. The Thermal Handheld will hot track targets out past 750...fb.watch
Or is that a different announcement?
There's this..
Introducing Burris Thermal Optics | Take night hunting to a new level with three game-changing new thermal optics from Burris. The Thermal Handheld will hot track targets out past 750... | By Burris Optics - Facebook
Take night hunting to a new level with three game-changing new thermal optics from Burris. The Thermal Handheld will hot track targets out past 750...
I was joking, the clip on Thermal looks nice.
Do you have any idea what the price increase for the Illuminated models will be?
Well this is exciting, if I drive up to Greeley will they let me play with oneThere's this..
Introducing Burris Thermal Optics | Take night hunting to a new level with three game-changing new thermal optics from Burris. The Thermal Handheld will hot track targets out past 750... | By Burris Optics - Facebook
Take night hunting to a new level with three game-changing new thermal optics from Burris. The Thermal Handheld will hot track targets out past 750...
For you NV guru's, how does it look like this new Burris BTC 50 stacks up to the competition:
| DETECTOR | 400x300 VOx |
|---|---|
| OBJECTIVE LENS DIAMETER | 50mm |
| FIELD OF VIEW | 7.5° x 5.6° |
| MANUAL FOCUS | Yes |
| DIGITAL ZOOM | 2x & 4x |
| DISPLAY RESOLUTION | 1024x768 |
| POLARITY MODES | 4 Color Modes |
| VIDEO OUT | Yes |
| BATTERY TYPE | CR123 |
| EXPECTED BATTERY LIFE | 3 hrs |
| BRAND | Burris |
I can neither confirm nor deny but I do trust where the information came from. Wish I could share more (and hope I don’t get in trouble for what I’ve already shared) but I can say I am pretty excited about this release and knowing it will actually come to fruition and not just be another pipe dream. Of course Spring could mean, March, April or May and with COVID and the American psychosis were going through it could be delayed but I’m hoping it’s not and will be surprised with an early spring announcement. Many of us love the under 30oz FFP scopes that we consider “crossover” designs - Vortex AMG, Bushnell LRHS/LRTS, Leupold Mark 6/5HD 3-18’s, Tangent Theta 315M, March 3-24 come to mind. But even fewer of these dip under 25oz which this scope may easily best.
The new scope chaps are about to become prime time, just ordered one for my TT and will let you know what I think.
www.scopechaps.com
Scope Chaps | Custom Scope Covers
Scope Chaps is a U.S. Military Veteran owned small business based in Montana. We provide protective rifle scope objective covers made out of 500D Cordura to protect your expensive optic from unnecessary scratches and abrasion in the field. Scratch-resistant optics covers
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That is surely to be impressive Bill. Especially if it dips below 25oz.
Brownells is apparently going to release the 1-8x24 MPO:
www.ammoland.com
If this is the same optic that Soldier Systems claimed had fiber optic illumination, it may be the optic that finally unseats the Razor Gen II-E, provided eyebox and weight aren't too bad.
Brownells Debuts New Optic, Gives Prizes During NOT Show eVent
Brownells will cap its week-long NOT Show eVent, January 18 through 22, with the release of the next scope in the Brownells Match Precision Optic line.
www.ammoland.com
If this is the same optic that Soldier Systems claimed had fiber optic illumination, it may be the optic that finally unseats the Razor Gen II-E, provided eyebox and weight aren't too bad.
NF ATACR 4-20x50 is now the real deal:
www.nightforceoptics.com
Was hoping it would be lighter but not surprised as the ATACR series is not known for its light weight (LPVO excepted). Looks like NF aimed this one straight at the ZCO ZC420, but it will take a lot to overthrow the ZCO rank as best Ultra Short in my book, the Nightforce is heavier, longer and has narrower FOV except at the very top end of magnification. NF did manage to eek out 38 mrad of elevation travel which exceeds the ZCO, but the ZCO still has amazing optical performance even at the extreme of travel and will be interesting if NF maintains the same. Hopefully someone will do a side by side of these two. This still leaves the door open for a lighter FFP 4-20 from another reputable manufacturer, or possibly a slightly higher magnification at the low end but with better FOV. The new March 4.5-28x52 can certainly fit the bill, greater FOV at the low end even though it's higher magnification and coming in just under 30oz, but at $3500ish may be too far out of a lot of shooters budget. All that being said I am still curious to see how this new ATACR will perform.
ATACR – 4-20×50 F1 - Nightforce Optics
The 4-20x50 F1 fills an important magnification range in the ATACR line. Equally at home atop a bolt action or a semi-automatic rifle, the 4-20x50 F1 is smaller and lighter than the 5-25x56 F1
www.nightforceoptics.com
Was hoping it would be lighter but not surprised as the ATACR series is not known for its light weight (LPVO excepted). Looks like NF aimed this one straight at the ZCO ZC420, but it will take a lot to overthrow the ZCO rank as best Ultra Short in my book, the Nightforce is heavier, longer and has narrower FOV except at the very top end of magnification. NF did manage to eek out 38 mrad of elevation travel which exceeds the ZCO, but the ZCO still has amazing optical performance even at the extreme of travel and will be interesting if NF maintains the same. Hopefully someone will do a side by side of these two. This still leaves the door open for a lighter FFP 4-20 from another reputable manufacturer, or possibly a slightly higher magnification at the low end but with better FOV. The new March 4.5-28x52 can certainly fit the bill, greater FOV at the low end even though it's higher magnification and coming in just under 30oz, but at $3500ish may be too far out of a lot of shooters budget. All that being said I am still curious to see how this new ATACR will perform.
Could you point me to where I could read more about how to get that 20% off deal? I have been sitting on the fence on this one and 20% off might push me over.
Updated original post to include the new Kahles K525i DLR with improved FOV. Obviously Kahles was feeling the pain of their narrowed FOV vs. the competition. So when is the K318i DLR going to come out with wider FOV, 10 mil turrets, quick throw for mag and parallax. I loved my K318i but biggest gripe was FOV. Hopefully the K318i is next to get the DLR treatment.
Some think the adjustments with the DLR are only incremental but a FOV change requires an eyepiece change and possibly some other internals, this is definitely something that may improve the overall IQ and I'm expecting the new 10 mil per rev turrets are even better than their already great 16 mil turrets.
My guess is the new DLR will hold its value much better than the previous K525i and that we'll begin to see even more Gen I K525i models in the classifieds for even less than what they've been going for.
Some think the adjustments with the DLR are only incremental but a FOV change requires an eyepiece change and possibly some other internals, this is definitely something that may improve the overall IQ and I'm expecting the new 10 mil per rev turrets are even better than their already great 16 mil turrets.
My guess is the new DLR will hold its value much better than the previous K525i and that we'll begin to see even more Gen I K525i models in the classifieds for even less than what they've been going for.
While we're wishing, I'd love to see a 4-20x56 TT, 13" length, with a low profile version of their current turrets.
I think the closest we'll get is if Blaser allows Minox to use the tooling for the Blaser Infinity 4-20x58 but Minox puts their ZP5 turrets on it and uses the MR4 or similar reticle. That being said, would love to see a TT420M that essentially has similar specs as the TT315M.
Or a cheaper Minox version of the Premier Light Tactical / TT M series... It's suspiciously absent from their line up.
Is it just me or has this whole online Shot thingy been mostly a non-event.
Outside of the new ATACR and new AL AT-X, there hasn't been anything announced that has been overly exciting.
Other than the AT-X the thing I'm most interested in is the new Athlon Helos and ETR offerings.
Outside of the new ATACR and new AL AT-X, there hasn't been anything announced that has been overly exciting.
Other than the AT-X the thing I'm most interested in is the new Athlon Helos and ETR offerings.
Completely agree. Was hoping @Team RCBS & Bushnell was going to drop the new elite tactical line, but still crickets on that one.
NF updated their reticle on the 1-8 ATACR. Not groundbreaking either really. Was really hoping for a swarm of 1-10s or something in the ballpark for the gas gun crowds.
I think because SHOT was cancelled a lot of mfr’s didn’t feel the pressure to have to announce something sooner than they really should. The Nightforce 4-20x50 I think is the biggest but weighing more than the ZCO 4-20 was not the way I was hoping NF would go. After all the NF fanboys buy them I’m not sure how well it will continue, kind of makes me appreciate the 4-16x42 even more now.
if only someone would come out with a lightweight FFP scope that filled this niche with decent turrets, reticle and glass. Been asking for that for years...
if only someone would come out with a lightweight FFP scope that filled this niche with decent turrets, reticle and glass. Been asking for that for years...
If the updated Kahles 525i DLR - Dynamic Long Range - hasn't been talked about yet:
www.thefirearmblog.com
Love all the PRS options that are coming out.
[SHOT 2021] New Kahles Riflescope – K525i Dynamic Long Range
The name is K525i Dynamic Long Range (DLR) with features an extra wide field of view, 100 clicks per rotation with reliable tracking and clearly defined clicks, extra-large turret lettering for easy and fast reading.You can also add an extra-long throw lever & parallax spinner for quick adjustments.
www.thefirearmblog.com
Love all the PRS options that are coming out.
I do have an update on this on the original post, the changes Kahles made to the K525i address a lot of the issues that early adopters encountered with that scope, hopefully this puts it more on par with other $3k class scopes.If the updated Kahles 525i DLR - Dynamic Long Range - hasn't been talked about yet:
[SHOT 2021] New Kahles Riflescope – K525i Dynamic Long Range
The name is K525i Dynamic Long Range (DLR) with features an extra wide field of view, 100 clicks per rotation with reliable tracking and clearly defined clicks, extra-large turret lettering for easy and fast reading.You can also add an extra-long throw lever & parallax spinner for quick adjustments.
Love all the PRS options that are coming out.
Would love to see similar changes to the K318i with wider angle eye piece there as well
I hope to get one soon to try it. I've used the 624i MSR recently and I was surprised how dated it felt, but I'm not sure the 525i is that much better? My friend still beat me with his K624i but I blame ballistics...LOL
Very tempted to try the K318 vs ZCO420 vs. 3-20PMII or similar.
Very much agree. Other reticles are available across all lines. A lost opportunity IMO to sway buyers away from the Vortex 1-10.
They did this shit from the jump by releasing the NX8 and ATAXR8 at the same time.
Most people would have spent $1000+ less and saved some weight to get a similar optic with a good reticle. Yes the ATACR has better glass and a better eyebox but its kind of a pig on a lighter rifle.
So NF's greedy ass decided to only put a good reticle in the ATACR forcing people to pony up $2800, which is silly. They would have sold a TON more NX8 and would be able to compete better against vortex by taking market share.
Greedy and stupid at same time. They could have sold a metric shit ton of NX8's.
And now the 1-10 Gen3 is just that much better of a buy and can be had for same price as a NX8.
The K624i is still an excellent scope, some consider it better than the K525i in some ways, so hopefully the DLR version will allow the K525i to be more on par, the biggest issue with the K624i was the CA which they corrected for in the K525i pretty fair if I understand, but they limited the FOV in the K525i and some noted their was resolution falloff above 20x, new eyepiece will fix the FOV issue, but not sure if it will fix the resolution falloff unless they tweaked other aspects of the internals.
Having had 3 k624s and 1 k525 the k525 was a big disappointment to me. The glass in the k525 was the same as one of the k624s I had at the time and noticably worse than my friends k624. The clicks were way too close on the k525 also. Having had to send 2 of my k624s off to Kahles to repair for wandering zeros I decided to swear off Kahles for good because I didn't feel like I could trust them for matches. Having personally known many shooters that used them and none of them still do also speaks volumes.
I'm interested in hearing your POV on the 1 x 10 Vortex. My current AR build is just about complete in 6.5G. I have never used a LPVO.
Current optic inventory: Kahles 6x24i & 3x18i, TT 3x15M, S&B Ultra Short 5x20 & Swarovski Z6 2X15.
Trying to keep this one short for NV use. Feedback welcome
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