Who cares...main takeaway is this is what happens when you use holosun.
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Shots Fired At President Trump's Butler PA Rally!
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Actually it matters a lot, you are not making headshots at 150 yards with a dot with any certainty unless you’re highly skilledWho cares...main takeaway is this is what happens when you use holosun.
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You can hear radio talk about the water tower at 3:20 in the video, and something about a van and if they survived.
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Anyone who believes the single shooter state incompetence trope, is far too dull to use razors.
"Officers left post to look for Crooks"
"Two local law enforcement officers left a building with vantage points overlooking the roof where Crooks took aim at the former president before he fired shots"
And the local po po take the blame and provide the cover story for the assassin shooter.
We are to believe they left a critical post and vantage point wide open.
A 2 week green bootcamp kid knows not to leave his post.
This info will stop all conspiracy? There is no way anyone including deep sate would know how many shells would have to be found by Crooks body. The fact that Director of secret service wouldnt say means a lot. "They" have to find 8 shell casings that all have been shot from Crooks weapon or this counrty will go into civil unrest. I still believe the real shooter was inside the building under or behind Crooks,
First Photos of Trump’s Ear Without Bandages After Assassination Attempt
The first photos of Trump’s damaged ear have surfaced.
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Ive alrrady been clear.
Two shooters equals dead 45.
Yes, there were handlers.
PLenty of incompetance as well.
So....yeah....
I kinda want to believe the the mass shooting research herring mostly because of Crooks erratic behavior recorded on more than one video just before the shots fired at Trump.
First he is spotted near one of the checkpoints with a rangefinder device then wanders off.
Video later shows him on the ground wandering around the building looking up ... *maybe* he started out looking for a way in to shoot up the crowd which requires no magnified optic or no optic at all.
But, after wandering around and finding a completely unguarded elevated position with a ladder already in place used by the watchers who abandoned the rooftop because it was just too hot outside, he decides to shoot from the roof.
All conjecture. We may never know for sure what went through his mind that day other than a high power rifle round.
Either nobody was on or around the building when Crooks climbed up or they were there and ignored him or helped him.
I'm of a mind to believe someone in an official capacity was on and around the building at some point but I'm not sure I believe they abandoned the post(s) without orders or permission.
The questions for me is who told them it was OK to abandon post and when.
All of this will come out eventually
but agencies are all in CYA mode right now
and pointing fingers at each other
SS Director Wartnose was another useful idiot put in place to assassinate Trump. Along with no qualifications other than she knew the Bidens, she also had zero character, honor, integrity and shame making her the perfect candidate.
In the end, she was the same disposable trash as the shooter on the rooftop.
FBI Confirms, they recovered 8 casings. The shooter did fire 8 shots.
So watching the hearing this morning on Christopher Wray's FBI investigation of the assassination attempt; Nadler's introduction of course included as examples of political violence the J6 fedsurrection, the Whitmer kindapng entrapment plan and the Paul Paulosi hammer attack, and of course immediate attention towards the need to ban those evil assault weapons, such as the AR-15.
No, not just CYA, but what additional rights can be restricted can they get because this action of this one individual? In Wray's first answer, there is already a hint that "encrypted messaging (not banking) accounts" were counter to FBI's law and order, and suggested clearly going to be something that Congress needs to act on, you know, so the FBI can do their job ...
No, not just CYA, but what additional rights can be restricted can they get because this action of this one individual? In Wray's first answer, there is already a hint that "encrypted messaging (not banking) accounts" were counter to FBI's law and order, and suggested clearly going to be something that Congress needs to act on, you know, so the FBI can do their job ...
This is a shooting forum. If there was a pro shooter inside the building or near crooks, how do you explain the shot was missed?
Using a 6mm+ caliber, even with 30 mph wind, the shooter flinching, and Trump moving - the shooter would have made impact with Trumps head within 200 yards. Period.
That is what my untrained ear heard from the podium mic directly from the live feed off the TV. I initially thought they were suppressed not taking into consideration the directional nature of podium mics and how they might mute the muzzle report. The impacts reported thus far in and around the podium all seem to follow the same point of origin as well.
Jaw-Dropper: Four Times as Many Local Secret Service Agents Sent to Jill Biden on Same Day Trump Was Shot | The Gateway Pundit | by Randy DeSoto, The Western Journal
On Monday, GOP Rep. William Timmons pressed Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle about the Donald Trump assassination attempt.
www.thegatewaypundit.com
Jill Biden hosted a dinner of 300-400 pre-screened, pre-vetted guests in a highly secure casino with sophisticated camera surveillance, received four times as many Secret Service agents as Trump did for his outdoor venue of over 20,000 attendees.
I was thinking the same thing. Way back in the before times, one or two sources, however erroneous, wrote a story. Now, everyone with a camera and a video editor app can create a whole new pile of feces and speculate on that. I like freedom of speech and this verbal effluvia is part of the price we pay for that.
450% more units, not personnel. Trump was given 3 units for an open air 20,000 attendee rally. Jill was given 12 units for a closed session 400 person dinner with donors etc in a casino.Jaw-Dropper: Four Times as Many Local Secret Service Agents Sent to Jill Biden on Same Day Trump Was Shot | The Gateway Pundit | by Randy DeSoto, The Western Journal
On Monday, GOP Rep. William Timmons pressed Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle about the Donald Trump assassination attempt.
Jill Biden hosted a dinner of 300-400 pre-screened, pre-vetted guests in a highly secure casino with sophisticated camera surveillance, received four times as many Secret Service agents as Trump did for his outdoor venue of over 20,000 attendees.
Biden's response letter to her resignation was more of a "Sorry to hear you're leaving us. You did an incredible job while Director of the SS...blah, blah, blah."
I'm sure it would have been more incredible if the sniper or snipers had assassinated Trump.
I'd go with "ordered." Then..."OK, Crooks, the coast is clear for you to take the roof unobserved."
Did you watch the body-cam video from the rooftop? They literally said the team positioned in the other building, on the other side of that window you're talking about, saw Crooks and they are the ones who took the cell-phone photo of him earlier in the day. So yes... they did see Crooks. And the current narrative is they apparently left their post to search for him.
Right. Which is also why I roll my eyes when someone claims the CS shot that killed Crooks was, "one in a million".
Maybe, seems unlikely.
Did they also tell him "Go out there and wander around looking up and make sure the crowd sees you and takes some video.".
Or "Take this rangefinder up to the entrance and make sure someone sees you pointing it at Trump then walk away quick like.".
Someone at the show hands on handling his every move seems overly complicated to me.
I could maybe buy into a theory that he was groomed and instructed beforehand then put on autopilot at the show. This would align with my, possibly dated and inaccurate information, about the possibility of his digital footprint being scrubbed except for select items.
If a conspiracy theory like this has any legs, him actually getting a shot at Trump was probably beyond their wildest wet dreams and more than the bargained for ... panic ensues ... oh shit, the manifest and bread crumbs left behind don't jive with the events ... scramble, delete, deny, deny, deny ...
Facts would be interesting if we had any. If we had some ham we could have ham and eggs, if we had some eggs.
yea. you have it about like i do. i am still doubtful about a full on deep state action. i'd like to believe it. but in any event,ss was implicated in either a dropped ball incompetence and/or collusion. seems you have come up with my best guess. ie he was groomed and turned loose. i still feel that the goal,if there was a conspiracy,might just have been a mass shooting and a shot at trump was crooks going off plan.
the ONE truth is: we will never know the real story. will be the same as 11/63 at the end of the day.
the ONE truth is: we will never know the real story. will be the same as 11/63 at the end of the day.
I find it easier to believe that the majority of people in the world are idiots, including supposed "experts", than to believe in conspiracy theories. I chalk this whole thing up to massive incompetence and negligence, rather than a diabolical plan.
Yes, a lot of the details just make no sense. But rather than jumping to deep state CIA assassination coup, I think it make sense to just admit that all the decision makers involved, and many of the grunts on the ground, made really bad decisions in the moment, whether from incompetence, lack of training, lack of proper leadership, or improper department and security plan management.
Yes, a lot of the details just make no sense. But rather than jumping to deep state CIA assassination coup, I think it make sense to just admit that all the decision makers involved, and many of the grunts on the ground, made really bad decisions in the moment, whether from incompetence, lack of training, lack of proper leadership, or improper department and security plan management.
I sent this to a mate in the days following the shooting who was heading down the two shooters etc rabbit hole.
TRUMP literally has the whole establishment working against him. I still believe this to be the case. He's not one of them and that makes him a threat. That alone is why I'd vote for him, I'm not necessarily a fan of how he presents and some of his ideas.
I've seen enough behind the curtain shit working overseas to know not everything or everyone is as it seems.
It may not necessarily be the case with this current scenario, it may well be best explained by gross negligence and incompetence along with a statistical probability equal to that of winning the lottery three or more times.
Either way the establishment/dems are complicit in that their rhetoric and demonisation of Trump sowed the seeds for the intolerant tolerant's hatred of him. No suprise that some nutter thought he'd reach immortal status if he ended him.
The left has always utilised voilence in various forms as a tool. The right don't until it is well overdue and then it's normally scorched earth level stuff.
Pretty interesting times we are in mate. If Trump gets in the left will burn, loot and cause chaos and the establishment may well decide to crash/reset the economy under Trump's watch, the goldfish will blame it on Trump and he'll be relegated to the history books. It will serve as a lesson for anyone else considering running on an MAGA/patriotic platform that these cunts won't have it.
TRUMP literally has the whole establishment working against him. I still believe this to be the case. He's not one of them and that makes him a threat. That alone is why I'd vote for him, I'm not necessarily a fan of how he presents and some of his ideas.
I've seen enough behind the curtain shit working overseas to know not everything or everyone is as it seems.
It may not necessarily be the case with this current scenario, it may well be best explained by gross negligence and incompetence along with a statistical probability equal to that of winning the lottery three or more times.
Either way the establishment/dems are complicit in that their rhetoric and demonisation of Trump sowed the seeds for the intolerant tolerant's hatred of him. No suprise that some nutter thought he'd reach immortal status if he ended him.
The left has always utilised voilence in various forms as a tool. The right don't until it is well overdue and then it's normally scorched earth level stuff.
Pretty interesting times we are in mate. If Trump gets in the left will burn, loot and cause chaos and the establishment may well decide to crash/reset the economy under Trump's watch, the goldfish will blame it on Trump and he'll be relegated to the history books. It will serve as a lesson for anyone else considering running on an MAGA/patriotic platform that these cunts won't have it.
Rep. Eli Crane Reveals Trump Shooter’s Home Was Reportedly Scrubbed Clean Like “Medical Lab” and No Silverware or Trash Was Found in Home (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Anthony Scott
Representative Eli Crane of Arizona, during Tuesday’s U.S.
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Colonel Paris is sure blinking his eyes a LOT. Hmmmm, I wonder why that would be....
Did the PMOs leave the post or did some of the other deputies leave that location to go look for him?
I haven't seen anybody specifically state that posted CS guys with ESU left their position to go walk around. All I have seen is that some of the local guys left that position to go look for him.
If it was the CS guys that abandoned their position to go mobile, that is a major sin and is against every operational norm for a dedicated PMO team. If they stayed in position and somebody else from their building left, that would be an entirely different and possibly smart thing to do.
A lot of the statements and quotes are vague or incomplete. The new norm in social media and MSM frenzy these days I guess.
so this guy is police comm of the state and has no idea about findings in crook's home? interesting.Rep. Eli Crane Reveals Trump Shooter’s Home Was Reportedly Scrubbed Clean Like “Medical Lab” and No Silverware or Trash Was Found in Home (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Anthony Scott
Representative Eli Crane of Arizona, during Tuesday’s U.S.
Colonel Paris is sure blinking his eyes a LOT. Hmmmm, I wonder why that would be....
I tend to agree so far.
I think part of the difficulty in coming up with enough information to form a credible opinion is that "a lot of the details" are infested with inaccurate information, assumptions and mis-quotes. With 95% of the deluge of information being bullshit, it is hard to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Good example for myself just yesterday: Tucker interviewing Jack Posobiec. Very interesting interview and Jack seemed to be well plugged in. then at some point when they were discussing the attempt on DJT, Jack matter of fact stated that the shooter was using irons. Not a scope or dot/electonic. Irons.
I had it from a credible source 2 days after the event that the shooter had a Holosun sight mounted on his rifle. Grainy post event photos of the rooftop with the shooter and rifle shown on the roof tend to back up my initial information regarding the weapon sight.
I went from being all-in on the interview to instantly being skeptical of Posobiec and his sources.
That is just one of hundreds of instances where I think I am getting additional information and then having to walk away from the source. I'm still a Tucker fan but not knowing much about Posobiec, I am not liking that he was taking the title of an SME in that chair.
A weird tangent on the weapon sights, even in the blurry photos it is clear the irons are flipped up. There is also clearly some sort of prism or RDS. So I guess in this case the answer is "both".
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The other thing I didn't notice till recently is it appears to have a LAW folding adapter or knock off.
Irons flipped up or on offset mount?
Nevermind.
I guess everything looks to be on centerline.
Nevermind.
I guess everything looks to be on centerline.
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It was a holosun...maybe the chineseum let go and he had to use the BUIS. Let's see, I wonder when this comment will become "fact" over the internet. LOL.
Drones
Some people are more afraid of a drone than an AR.
Shoot down a Walmart drone, drone peeking in their bedroom window, even before all the talk of weaponized drones.
I doubt anyone actually SAW a flying drone. I have trouble seeing mine a few hundred feet up.
Unless you make extreme maneuvers the props are pretty quite.
Some people are more afraid of a drone than an AR.
Shoot down a Walmart drone, drone peeking in their bedroom window, even before all the talk of weaponized drones.
I doubt anyone actually SAW a flying drone. I have trouble seeing mine a few hundred feet up.
Unless you make extreme maneuvers the props are pretty quite.
The one case that can be made for at least the rear sight being used; it makes the dot more crisp and removes the bloom. Given he wore glasses it does make sense.
Saw report with a guy talking to congress on BBC who said they got his drone and it was flown day of the event about 200 yds away from the stage for about 11 minutes, sounds like recon
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