Should I switch cartages?

[186thFCo]

Hello everyone,

I started shooting PRS this year as regional competitor. I have been shooting in the production division using an Aero Solus in 6.5 CM and it has been great but I'm at the point where I want to order a new barrel so I have one ready for next season. My question is, is there any advantage or enough of an advantage if I switch from a 6.5mm to a 6mm? Something like the 6GT. I've shot my buddies 6GT and its nice, but I have never used it in a match. I like my 6.5CM and other than the barrel of the factory Solus being too short IMO it has done very well with factory Hornady 140gr ELD-M's. There are a ton of people at the matches that are shooting 6mm's and I have asked this question and the answers I normally get is that the recoil is less so it is easier to spot your misses but at the same time the 6mm's have less splash.
Also, I wanted to mention that even though I have used factory ammo this year I am set up to reload so I'm not counting the need for making my own ammo as a disadvantage, other than I haven't had any issues finding match ammo in stores for my rifle. Also I don't want to use I 6mm CM, 1000 round barrel life doesn't make sense to me.

Thanks in advance, Josh

 

[OREGUN]

Careful what you believe. 6CM will go over 1000 rounds, easy. I recently retired one at 2700 and another has 1700 with no signs of slowing. It’s a no brainer if you don’ t want to waste training hours reloading.
6 MM will improve your scores and if you don’t mind reloading, BR, BRA, or Dasher is what you want. It’s retarded easy to load for, to shoot, to see impacts and to have dope that compares with everyone in your squad so you can become a wind call scavenger and avoid thinking for yourself.

25x47 is the new hotness with recoil somewhere between 6CM and 6.5cm. Might be worth looking at depending on where you shoot….big country on windy days or golf-course ranges that have no wind?

 

[186thFCo]

Careful what you believe. 6CM will go over 1000 rounds, easy. I recently retired one at 2700 and another has 1700 with no signs of slowing. It’s a no brainer if you don’ t want to waste training hours reloading.
6 MM will improve your scores and if you don’t mind reloading, BR, BRA, or Dasher is what you want. It’s retarded easy to load for, to shoot, to see impacts and to have dope that compares with everyone in your squad so you can become a wind call scavenger and avoid thinking for yourself.

25x47 is the new hotness with recoil somewhere between 6CM and 6.5cm. Might be worth looking at depending on where you shoot….big country on windy days or golf-course ranges that have no wind?

I shoot in the New England area. I just went out to MKM and did the Pro Match there last weekend but that is the furthest I have been west. Catskill NY at Sheepdog has some crazy wind that will switch on you in an instant.

I have seen talk about the 25cal's recently. What kind of performance are people getting out of the 25x47?

 

[JLandis]

25 Creedmoor seems to be making an appearance as well. Least in the Kansas/Oklahoma area. Less recoil of 6.5, easier shot spotting than 6mm.

 

[OREGUN]

The 25s have astonishingly high BC but there are fewer bullet choices. I think they really shine as winds go up (say above 12 mph) and when terrain dictates shooting into high wind gradients (over canyons, for example). In terms of a 10 mph wind that’s switching from 11 to 2, you still have to be able to sense and react to that change so if you can’t do that, or until you can, it won’t matter what bullet you shoot. 25CM and 25x47, like 6.5CM, .260 REM, and 6.5x47, and 6CM and 6x47, and for that matter, 6BR, BRA and Dasher, are all variations on the same theme. You can read a million opinions on how one is better than another. The point is, pick the size bullet you want to use and then the chambering that gives the best performance. Any of them can win matches.

The recoil advantage, bullet selection, and ease of load development in the small 6s (6BR based chamberings) far outweighs any perceived disadvantage in splash for most shooters.

Given your region, I’d stick with one of the easy button 6mm chamberings until I was winning matches on the regular or until I was thinking about shooting matches out west. But do as the spirit moves you. Ultimately what you train with and how you train will dictate your performance more than which cartridge you choose.

 

[ToddKS]

25 Creedmoor seems to be making an appearance as well. Least in the Kansas/Oklahoma area. Less recoil of 6.5, easier shot spotting than 6mm.

25GT as well. I just got my 25GT barrel but have not had the chance to shoot it yet.

 

[Jefe's Dope]

6 Dasher now that Alpha makes brass and MDT makes a follower that helps w/ the gap in the .308 mags. Other than that, 6GT for similar reasons except no spacer needed in the mags. I think 6 Dasher is easier to find load for but 6GT isn't far behind. I load for speed now, 6GT, and really don't worry about finding a "node". Most of the work has already been done for you and there's a lot of load data available to work with.

 

[clefairy]

Are you a big dude? And will your buddy let you run his gun through a small local match? Morgan King runs a 6.5 and he kills it.

 

[ToddKS]

Hello everyone,

I started shooting PRS this year as regional competitor. I have been shooting in the production division using an Aero Solus in 6.5 CM and it has been great but I'm at the point where I want to order a new barrel so I have one ready for next season. My question is, is there any advantage or enough of an advantage if I switch from a 6.5mm to a 6mm? Something like the 6GT. I've shot my buddies 6GT and its nice, but I have never used it in a match. I like my 6.5CM and other than the barrel of the factory Solus being too short IMO it has done very well with factory Hornady 140gr ELD-M's. There are a ton of people at the matches that are shooting 6mm's and I have asked this question and the answers I normally get is that the recoil is less so it is easier to spot your misses but at the same time the 6mm's have less splash.
Also, I wanted to mention that even though I have used factory ammo this year I am set up to reload so I'm not counting the need for making my own ammo as a disadvantage, other than I haven't had any issues finding match ammo in stores for my rifle. Also I don't want to use I 6mm CM, 1000 round barrel life doesn't make sense to me.

Thanks in advance, Josh

I made this same switch (6.5 CM to 6 GT) back in 2020. I definitely found it easier to shot the 6 GT successfully vs. the 6.5 CM.

I like the 6 GT because it does not require mag spacers and it will work with a variety of powders. Varget is my preference, but if that becomes scarce I can use H4350 or 6.5 Staball with good results.

The downside is you are realistically giving up the factory ammo option. There is loaded ammo available, but it has to be ordered. You can't just walk into any store and buy it like you can the 6.5 CM.

If you want to change calibers, and you can fund the transition, now is the time. Components are readily available. Buy enough brass, primers, powder and bullets to load 2000 rounds of the new caliber. There is risk of components becoming scarce again with the election coming up.

 

[The4GunGuy]

I switched from 6.5 CM to 6mm BRA 3 years ago and glad I did...much less recoil, I run slow (2780) and get 3,000 rounds out of a barrel...If you're gonna reload, BUY POWDER NOW...there is a shortage of nitrocellulose and it's only being used for gov't contracts for a long time to come, so powder will be very scarce.

 

[Dead Eye Dick]

I'm no pro, but do a lot of shooting. I swapped out my 6.5 barrel to 6GT to match my other centerfire precision rifle. (for economy of effort, loading enough cartridges for two separate rifles, when going to a match is twice the work. Now, just load enough 6GT for one rifle and done).

Point, I find that the GT is much easier to keep on target. Even with rifles as light as mine (18-11) with a good brake, recoil does not exist. The 6.5 is easier to spot hits on targets, but in my case, I have to hit them first, then I can worry about where I hit them.

Still own an RPR in 6.5, nice rifle to have around. We put a carbon barrel on it and a lightweight buttstock, did some other work, and Brenda adopted it and loves it.

For competition use, I don't think you will be unhappy with one of the 6's.

 

[Ronn]

Hello everyone,

I started shooting PRS this year as regional competitor. I have been shooting in the production division using an Aero Solus in 6.5 CM and it has been great but I'm at the point where I want to order a new barrel so I have one ready for next season. My question is, is there any advantage or enough of an advantage if I switch from a 6.5mm to a 6mm? Something like the 6GT. I've shot my buddies 6GT and its nice, but I have never used it in a match. I like my 6.5CM and other than the barrel of the factory Solus being too short IMO it has done very well with factory Hornady 140gr ELD-M's. There are a ton of people at the matches that are shooting 6mm's and I have asked this question and the answers I normally get is that the recoil is less so it is easier to spot your misses but at the same time the 6mm's have less splash.
Also, I wanted to mention that even though I have used factory ammo this year I am set up to reload so I'm not counting the need for making my own ammo as a disadvantage, other than I haven't had any issues finding match ammo in stores for my rifle. Also I don't want to use I 6mm CM, 1000 round barrel life doesn't make sense to me.

Thanks in advance, Josh

I’m in the same boat, shooting a 6.5 creed thinking about moving to a 6gt. I feel like shooting a 6.5 creed is like having an easy button though, there’s been a few matches where the wind picked up and I was easily able to make impacts on some of the longer targets. Even the skinnier targets where more experienced shooters were struggling. I’m worried that if I move to a smaller lighter round that I’m going to have to fight the wind more. I also hate shooting with muzzle breaks, I usually use a suppressor so that was one reason why I think moving down to a 6mm might help with recoil. I’m still on the fence.

 

[Rio Precision Gunworks]

It likely won't matter too much if you switch from 6.5 to a 6mm. You'll pick up a few immediate points if your recoil management isn't that great with the 6.5. But after you get to a certain point, it's kinda a wash. Plenty of top guys have ventured back to 6.5 or to a 25 and still won matches with them.

As far as which 6mm, write them all down on pieces of paper, put them in a hat and pick one. They all basically do the same thing.

6cm isn't too terrible on barrel life, however it can be less consistent on barrel life. I've burned out more than a handful 6cm and it's ranged from 900rnds to 2500rnds. Where most of the other 6mm don't have that kind of swing in barrel life.


The best course of action is to spin up two barrels. A 6.5cm and a 6mm whatever. See which you prefer and if you like them both, use the 6.5 at matches that average further distances or have more wind.

 

[kthomas]

Go for a new cartridge if you want to try something new. Don't get a new cartridge if all you are seeking is more hits at a match.

6.5 Creedmoor is a fine PRS cartridge, it's won it's fair share of competitions, and going to a 6mm isn't going to be a needle mover.

However, if you want a new cartridge for the sake of trying something different, by all means. Lots of great 6mm cartridges out there. I love my 6BRA, it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot.

 

[Hecouldgoalltheway]

I burned up my 6 creed barrel in about 1,400 rounds, give or take 20 rounds. I know a handful of people who are going from a 6mm to 6.5cm for prs just because it is so easy. Long barrel life, dirt cheap factory match ammo everywhere that will shoot as well as you can, and can be purchased for less than you can buy the components. You'll never be upset that you have it when the wind kicks up, and you'll probably never wonder if you hit the plate. If you have good fundamentals and are already set up with a 6.5cm, I'm not sure what you'd actually stand to gain by going to a 6mm other than a slight reduction in recoil.

 

[Niles Coyote]

I assume you have lots of brass... my vote is to stay with your 6.5 and load those 140's down to mid to low 2600's. You'll be in the same recoil energy as the 25's and with the longer flight time you may see more than 6mm's do running 200fps faster.

 

[FieldGaugeFailure]

Also, I wanted to mention that even though I have used factory ammo this year I am set up to reload so I'm not counting the need for making my own ammo as a disadvantage, other than I haven't had any issues finding match ammo in stores for my rifle.

Are you experienced at reloading, or are you just setup this year to reload? If you're new/just getting into reloading, I would avoid making the move for competition and just continue shooting factory until you get a lot of batches/testing under your belt.

 

[hairy_pineapple588]

Kinda in the same boat. Started prs matches this year with 140g Hybrids 6.5cm at 2719fps. Getting better every match but everyone I talk to raves about 6mm and how I should switch. I’m at 1150 ish rounds on this barrel and leaning with just staying with 6.5cm for at least another barrel.

I’ll likely go with a heavier 153.5-156g or switch to a dasher/gt but I like the 140’s a lot and they are in stock everywhere.

 

[Dead Eye Dick]

Kinda in the same boat. Started prs matches this year with 140g Hybrids 6.5cm at 2719fps. Getting better every match but everyone I talk to raves about 6mm and how I should switch. I’m at 1150 ish rounds on this barrel and leaning with just staying with 6.5cm for at least another barrel.

I’ll likely go with a heavier 153.5-156g or switch to a dasher/gt

I’ve had really good luck going lighter, not heavier. 130 Berger VLD’s and 130 Sierra CT have worked great and demonstrated really fine accuracy. I’ve used 144 Berger Hybrids and even the 143 ELD-X, but I keep going back to the 130’s with my 6.5’s.

 

[hairy_pineapple588]

I’ve had really good luck going lighter, not heavier. 130 Berger VLD’s and 130 Sierra CT have worked great and demonstrated really fine accuracy. I’ve used 144 Berger Hybrids and even the 143 ELD-X, but I keep going back to the 130’s with my 6.5’s.

What velocity?

 

[CK1.0]

I’ll likely go with a heavier 153.5-156g or switch to a dasher/gt

This.

Seems many guys have missed that the whole 6.5CM resurgence has a lot to do with the newer heavier bullets. Morgun King and Andy Slade are on record on various podcasts as exclusively shooting the 153.5/156 heavies in their 6.5s (not the ubiquitous 140s most are thinking of using), Andy Slade even mentioned on at least one podcast that he was playing with specially spun up 6.5 barrels featuring 7.5 twists instead of the usual 8 twist that most 6.5 barrels come in. Good luck finding any real quantity of 153.5/156s without a Berger sponsorship, due to quantity limits, the most I could ever score at one time was 1500 before they were gone (not even enough to burn up a single barrel).

25cal seems like even more of a PITA to me (right now anyway). Having to order and wait months for a ~$900-1000 barrel instead of using a ~$500 prefit, and then only having 2 real bullet choices (that are rarely in-stock) seems like a recipe for despair. One can't get good if one can't shoot.

For the rest of us who buy the bullets we can score on shelves, Dasher and/or 6GT are where it's at.

 

[hairy_pineapple588]

This.

Seems many guys have missed that the whole 6.5CM resurgence has a lot to do with the newer heavier bullets. Morgun King and Andy Slade are on record on various podcasts as exclusively shooting the 153.5/156 heavies in their 6.5s (not the ubiquitous 140s most are thinking of using), Andy Slade even mentioned on at least one podcast that he was playing with specially spun up 6.5 barrels featuring 7.5 twists instead of the usual 8 twist that most 6.5 barrels come in. Good luck finding any real quantity of 153.5/156s without a Berger sponsorship, due to quantity limits, the most I could ever score at one time was 1500 before they were gone (not even enough to burn up a single barrel).

25cal seems like even more of a PITA to me (right now anyway). Having to order and wait months for a ~$900-1000 barrel instead of using a ~$500 prefit, and then only having 2 real bullet choices (that are rarely in-stock) seems like a recipe for despair. One can't get good if one can't shoot.

For the rest of us who buy the bullets we can score on shelves, Dasher and/or 6GT are where it's at.

I’m currently shooting the 140’s. I have 1146 rounds down barrel and another thousand in stash. I’m not sure when I’ll pull this barrel but o want to line something up. I’m leaning towards just staying with 6.5cm.

 

[CK1.0]

I’m currently shooting the 140’s. I have 1146 rounds down barrel and another thousand in stash. I’m not sure when I’ll pull this barrel but o want to line something up. I’m leaning towards just staying with 6.5cm.

I think there is credence to "bigger is better" as far as more splash is concerned, so a 140 is a lot better than a 105 IMO.

I've got a couple of 6CM and 6GT barrels going so I plan to stick with those, but no more 105s for me, I'm moving to the 112/115s exclusively.

Honestly, if I had a 6.5CM I'd stick with that too, I'd just maybe add a little more weight to the rifle to cancel out some of the added recoil and it'd probably feel the same as a 6mm.

 

[hairy_pineapple588]

I think there is credence to "bigger is better" as far as more splash is concerned, so a 140 is a lot better than a 105 IMO.

I've got a couple of 6CM and 6GT barrels going so I plan to stick with those, but no more 105s for me, I'm moving to the 112/115s exclusively.

Honestly, if I had a 6.5CM I'd stick with that too, I'd just maybe add a little more weight to the rifle to cancel out some of the added recoil and it'd probably feel the same as a 6mm.

What 112/115’s are you going to shoot?

 

[CK1.0]

What 112/115’s are you going to shoot?

112 Match Burners and 115 DTACs.

I know some peeps have had bad experiences with Match Burners (mostly from a few years ago when they first came on the scene), but I've shot something like 4000+ of them and they've always been pretty damn good IME (and not just for the money).

I love me some DTACs, have shot thousands, and prefer those, but they can be harder to get at times.

 

[Lawnboi]

Are you currently spotting most your hits/misses?

If the answer isn’t an undoubtable yes you’re probably going to learn more with less recoil.

You can get around that with more weight too.

But I can say from when I was shooting a lightish 6.5 cm to a 6 creed, I finally began seeing what was happening and was able to adjust. Before that with the 6.5 I was seeing maybe 50% of my shots mostly from prone positions.

You’re not going to learn much until you can spot your hits/misses very consistently.

 

[hairy_pineapple588]

I think there is credence to "bigger is better" as far as more splash is concerned, so a 140 is a lot better than a 105 IMO.

I've got a couple of 6CM and 6GT barrels going so I plan to stick with those, but no more 105s for me, I'm moving to the 112/115s exclusively.

Honestly, if I had a 6.5CM I'd stick with that too, I'd just maybe add a little more weight to the rifle to cancel out some of the added recoil and it'd probably feel the same as a 6mm.

What are you running the 6gt at with those bullets? I’m a fan of my 6.5cm at 2719 currently. I am however shooting the 140’s because that’s all I could find in large quantities. I want to burn this barrel out but I’m having a hard time deciding on a cartridge. Mainly because I’m shooting with some guys who are devout 6gt users and I’m hanging with them scores wise or beating them in some cases so I tend to lean towards keep running what’s working. My rifle is 23lb currently. I would like to switch to a straight barrel if I stay 6.5.

 

[CK1.0]

What are you running the 6gt at with those bullets? I’m a fan of my 6.5cm at 2719 currently. I am however shooting the 140’s because that’s all I could find in large quantities. I want to burn this barrel out but I’m having a hard time deciding on a cartridge. Mainly because I’m shooting with some guys who are devout 6gt users and I’m hanging with them scores wise or beating them in some cases so I tend to lean towards keep running what’s working. My rifle is 23lb currently. I would like to switch to a straight barrel if I stay 6.5.

I'd stick with that if you like it. I don't think speed matters one bit in this game and generally try to run as slow as I can in the name of the least amount of recoil so I can spot things easier.

I'm running ~2800fps with the 112s in the 6GT using 33gn of Shooter's World Precision Rifle (as similar to Varget as it gets), and it's soft shooting (and delivers a decent splash) and pretty easy to spot in a ~22lb gun. I've run the 112s as "slow" as 2750fps and that shoots well too (and was even softer).

Most recently I've been running 106gn A-Tips at ~2800fps (32gn SWPR) which is really soft (basically a mild Dasher) and it shoots great like that too. But TBH I feel like I've lost some splash and am going to bump it up to 33gn for more like ~2890fps, not for speed as much as hoping to get some more feedback downrange, and when I run out of 106s I'm going back to 112/115s because I think I get more signature downrange that way.

 

[4O6shootist]

A 6gt with dtacs at 2820-2850 w/ H4350 is a pretty dang good round. Also have a 25x47 with 135s ar 2750, and a 65cm with 153.5 at 2620fps. All these are within 0.1 mil wind hold with a 10 mph cross wind at my normal DA. I feel like I see more info with the heavier/slower bullets due to impact/energy signature down range, but the 6gt def has less felt recoil to manage. The 25 and 65 wear MPA DN5 breaks which keep the muzzle very flat, I need to put one on the gt. I'd like to try "the Chad" brake on the bigger cases with the heavies and see how it truly performs.

 

[hairy_pineapple588]

A 6gt with dtacs at 2820-2850 w/ H4350 is a pretty dang good round. Also have a 25x47 with 135s ar 2750, and a 65cm with 153.5 at 2620fps. All these are within 0.1 mil wind hold with a 10 mph cross wind at my normal DA. I feel like I see more info with the heavier/slower bullets due to impact/energy signature down range, but the 6gt def has less felt recoil to manage. The 25 and 65 wear MPA DN5 breaks which keep the muzzle very flat, I need to put one on the gt. I'd like to try "the Chad" brake on the bigger cases with the heavies and see how it truly performs.

You got any load data for gt with dtacs?

 

[4O6shootist]

You got any load data for gt with dtacs?

Yeah I usually land around 35.6-36.3gr H4350 depending on lot#, seating the bullet at 20k jump is accurate, then again back around 50-60k jump. Alpha brass with a CCI450 primer. I only use the dtac in 170fb chambers tho. Get the bullet going 2820-2850 and it shoots! I do have a 30" 6gt barrel on my atx that I put on as a bit of a joke, but it shoots the dtacs great right under 2900fps.
All my recent 8# jugs of Hodgdon powder acquired in last year to 18 months have been notably slower burning than my older stuff. I always use 42% humidity packs in all my jugs, in storage or in use cycle.

 

[R_A_W]

All my recent 8# jugs of Hodgdon powder acquired in last year to 18 months have been notably slower burning than my older stuff.

Same, across 3 different lots of H4350

 

[ARShooter91]

How old are your faster lots?

 

[R_A_W]

The last lot I remember being fast was from 2019 & would push 153.5s @ 2650 with zero indication of pressure, even at >100 F ambient

Same charge weight/brass/primer/humidity/etc from a 2021 8lb and some November 2023 1lbs would push 2560. Increasing 0.5 grain only got up too 2580 & some mild primer flattening.

My 142smk load lost about 70fps.

 

[4O6shootist]

How old are your faster lots?

Bought 5x 8# 3/4 years ago, started swapping over to jugs bought in last 18-24 months, they're slower. I have a few new legs H1000, they're 3gr slower than my stuff from 4 years ago in 65 prc/Saum.

 

[hairy_pineapple588]

I'd stick with that if you like it. I don't think speed matters one bit in this game and generally try to run as slow as I can in the name of the least amount of recoil so I can spot things easier.

I'm running ~2800fps with the 112s in the 6GT using 33gn of Shooter's World Precision Rifle (as similar to Varget as it gets), and it's soft shooting (and delivers a decent splash) and pretty easy to spot in a ~22lb gun. I've run the 112s as "slow" as 2750fps and that shoots well too (and was even softer).

Most recently I've been running 106gn A-Tips at ~2800fps (32gn SWPR) which is really soft (basically a mild Dasher) and it shoots great like that too. But TBH I feel like I've lost some splash and am going to bump it up to 33gn for more like ~2890fps, not for speed as much as hoping to get some more feedback downrange, and when I run out of 106s I'm going back to 112/115s because I think I get more signature downrange that way.

I am going to just stick to 6.5 for now. I’m not winning any matches and i just want to keep consistency and not introduce any other variables. I’ll stay with the 140’s and just keep getting better.

 

[hairy_pineapple588]

This.

Seems many guys have missed that the whole 6.5CM resurgence has a lot to do with the newer heavier bullets. Morgun King and Andy Slade are on record on various podcasts as exclusively shooting the 153.5/156 heavies in their 6.5s (not the ubiquitous 140s most are thinking of using), Andy Slade even mentioned on at least one podcast that he was playing with specially spun up 6.5 barrels featuring 7.5 twists instead of the usual 8 twist that most 6.5 barrels come in. Good luck finding any real quantity of 153.5/156s without a Berger sponsorship, due to quantity limits, the most I could ever score at one time was 1500 before they were gone (not even enough to burn up a single barrel).

25cal seems like even more of a PITA to me (right now anyway). Having to order and wait months for a ~$900-1000 barrel instead of using a ~$500 prefit, and then only having 2 real bullet choices (that are rarely in-stock) seems like a recipe for despair. One can't get good if one can't shoot.

For the rest of us who buy the bullets we can score on shelves, Dasher and/or 6GT are where it's at.

Back to this. I’m going to try out GT. Everyone is shooting 6mm in shooting with and I get pros have gone back to 6.5 but that means they left it originally and gained skills first.

 

[Dead Eye Dick]

Stupid me, I used 130’s in my MPA chassied 6.5. They actually shot darned good. 144’s in the RPR were not bad either, but I never shot a match with it.

Still, I never came close to even a top 50% finish so that is where that is. Worst experience was with 130 Golden’s. tightest groups I ever shot. For a 300 yard bench rest bullet, in my rifle it would be hard to beat. However, past 500/600 yards the BC was different and I never got a handle on it. Used them because I ran out and could not get any more of the Bergers and Sierra CT’s, both were reliable and shot at the same point of aim.

 

[CK1.0]

I think working on gaining skills (as well as improving what you've already got in the toolbox) is the best plan. So going with whatever is easiest to allow one to do that is probably a good move.

For many of us, that recipe seems to be a 6mm (in whatever form), going 2700-2900fps out of a relatively heavy ~20lb+ rifle. That recipe makes it easy to see one's impacts/splash downrange and make corrections accordingly, while at the same time utilizing relatively easy-to-track-down components.

I think we'd all love to try the 25cal and/or 6.5 w/ heavies thing at some point... but since the ubiquitous 6mm stuff can be hard enough to track down sometimes already, it seems like to make that feasible (currently), first we have to get good enough to where a company or two would back us with support/sponsorship.

 

[hairy_pineapple588]

I think working on gaining skills (as well as improving what you've already got in the toolbox) is the best plan. So going with whatever is easiest to allow one to do that is probably a good move.

For many of us, that recipe seems to be a 6mm (in whatever form), going 2700-2900fps out of a relatively heavy ~20lb+ rifle. That recipe makes it easy to see one's impacts/splash downrange and make corrections accordingly, while at the same time utilizing relatively easy-to-track-down components.

I think we'd all love to try the 25cal and/or 6.5 w/ heavies thing at some point... but since the ubiquitous 6mm stuff can be hard enough to track down sometimes already, it seems like to make that feasible (currently), first we have to get good enough to where a company or two would back us with support/sponsorship.

I agree. I am running a 25lb 6.5cm and I’m not giving up 6.5 anytime soon but I’m buying components and a barrel for 6gt to try out. Aiming for 2800fps with h4350. Everyone winning around me is running 6mm so figure play the game.

 

[Dead Eye Dick]

I agree. I am running a 25lb 6.5cm and I’m not giving up 6.5 anytime soon but I’m buying components and a barrel for 6gt to try out. Aiming for 2800fps with h4350. Everyone winning around me is running 6mm so figure play the game.

I do like both he 6.5 and the 6GT, but these two targets were shot at the same range, are same size targets but the shots occurred on different days. I’m kinda tied down to the GT these days with brass, bullets powder, primers and two rifles in GT, if I was ever going to change rounds, I very likely would go back to the 6.5.

6.5 Creedmoor 130 grain Berger VLD, range 600 yards Prince Memorial

6GT 105 Berger Hybrid 600 yards, Prince Memorial

The 6.5 Does make a bigger splash.