Show off your Manners PRS-TCS Stocks

[AirgunnerPCP]

As an aside, and this isn't meant to offend anyone who may feel differently... but am I the only one who thinks the Sikes' clutch is dumb as hell..?

IMHO connecting one's support hand to the rifle is a fool's errand... no matter what, the rifle is going to move under recoil, period. So one can either let the rifle slide back a little and track smoothly under recoil making it easier to spot shots... or not... but no one is stopping shit, whether it's a little knob or one tries to epoxy on a full-size grab handle. I've tried different TCS' with and without back-to-back multiple times and the Sikes' clutch makes things worse every time for me. Try it...

I wish Manners would offer the old Badger Ordnance m-lok rails inlet/embedded up front instead... those might actually be useful for throwing on a pair of m-lok weights, etc.

I'm a big fan of the clutch. Although it's not about controlling recoil for me. Just like another poster said, it aids in steadying the rifle with a bag on especially wobbly props. I don't even have the actual inletted plate with multiple QD points just the normal 1 that it comes with and it's very helpful.

I do think they should offer inletted MLOK plates in the fore end. That'd be very useful I being able to add attachments.

 

[CK1.0]

I may be wrong on this so someone can correct me, but the point of the Clutch Knob is not to control recoil, it's about steadying the rifle. Shooting off barricades and obstacles it's nice to have an extra point of contact for stability to help stay on target. A lot of people hold their scope, some use the NV bridge, etc. I'm sure it's not for everyone, but I've found it really nice to have.

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about... IMHO, when shooting off a bag/prop (like with a Gamechanger/tank-trap), having one's support-hand connected to the rifle is actually kind of bad since it prevents the rifle from tracking smoothly rearward under recoil as we look through the scope...

While it may be effective as a handle, like if a smaller guy has trouble getting the rifle stable on barricades or whatever, I find the Sikes' clutch actually makes spotting shots worse/harder as it makes the recoil impulse "uglier" than it needs to be, especially in closer like ~400-500 yards when there isn't as much time-of-flight...

YMMV I guess...

 

[Mark_Dorman]

@AirgunnerPCP & @CK1.0 - I'm assuming no one has tried this yet and I would be hesitant on a Manners, but they do sell M-Lok slots you can add to stocks. This specific product is for AKs (https://warsawwoodco.com/mlok-panel/), but should work on any stock you can machine the space out with. This wouldn't work for anyone running a full Sikes clutch rail, but if you didn't have one I think you could fit it in.

They have a full install guide. For a Composite stock I figured you'd just use mounting hardware that would bite into the stock or use a combination of hardware and resin to mount. https://warsawwoodco.com/blog/diy-mlok-panel-install-guide/

Grayboe sells a similar product but doesn't post detailed instructions on them: https://www.grayboe.com/products/m-lok-plate

 

[Lawyer]

You are right, it´s purpose is not to migitate Recoil, it is meant to steady the Rifle or your Position.
I´m pretty sure it´s not for everyone and you need to get used to it, like many other things in shooting.
Best part is, if you don´t like, you don´t have to use is at all and if you order a new Stock and don´t need it, you don´t have to pay extra money for it.

 

[CK1.0]

You are right, it´s purpose is not to migitate Recoil, it is meant to steady the Rifle or your Position.
I´m pretty sure it´s not for everyone and you need to get used to it, like many other things in shooting.
Best part is, if you don´t like, you don´t have to use is at all and if you order a new Stock and don´t need it, you don´t have to pay extra money for it.

Yeah, I forget sometimes that there is a lot about this shit that is similar to guitar playing where some guys like Fenders and some guys Gibsons, thick strings vs thin, etc... I mean, some of the best guys out there in PRS hang off the top of their scopes...

10-22 disregard lol.

 

[R_A_W]

I do think they should offer inletted MLOK plates in the fore end. That'd be very useful I being able to add attachments.

I'm assuming no one has tried this yet and I would be hesitant on a Manners, but they do sell M-Lok slots you can add to stocks.

I looked into this over the summer but decided I didn't need it enough. I was going to use PMM SCAR rails

PMM M-LOK® Side Rails for SCAR 15P - Parker Mountain Machine

The PMM M-LOK Rail Panels are a low-profile and light weight solution to mounting M-LOK accessories on the SCAR 15P or SCAR-SC. Product Features: (2) Panels and mounting hardware supplied Machined in-house out of 6061 aluminum Anodize type III hard coat in either black or FDE Installation is easy…

www.parkermountainmachine.com

I don't think Manners will do it, at least not right now. They declined to inlet for a Henderson MLOK rail on the bottom. Also, did Badger stop making/selling their MLOK rails that Manners used to install?

 

[Mark_Dorman]

I looked into this over the summer but decided I didn't need it enough. I was going to use PMM SCAR rails

PMM M-LOK® Side Rails for SCAR 15P - Parker Mountain Machine

The PMM M-LOK Rail Panels are a low-profile and light weight solution to mounting M-LOK accessories on the SCAR 15P or SCAR-SC. Product Features: (2) Panels and mounting hardware supplied Machined in-house out of 6061 aluminum Anodize type III hard coat in either black or FDE Installation is easy…

www.parkermountainmachine.com

I don't think Manners will do it, at least not right now. They declined to inlet for a Henderson MLOK rail on the bottom. Also, did Badger stop making/selling their MLOK rails that Manners used to install?

Oh those PMM ones are pretty cool. Bookmarked them for later if needed.

The Badger Ordinance ones are showing out of stock on both their site and Manners.

M-Lok Bipod Rail (2 Slot)

M-Lok Bipod Rail (2 Slot)

www.badgerordnance.com

https://mannersstocks.com/product/m-lok-bipod-rail-2-slot/

So maybe they're not discontinued but I'd never seen those before.

 

[R_A_W]

BO used to sell a 6-slot rail too, but it's been OOS for at least 9 or 10 months.

I asked for an alternative on here & someone pointed me to the Henderson Precision RSR. Manners declined to inlet for it & Alamo Precision wanted to see the stock & rail before they committed to doing the work, so I abandoned all MLOK dreams & just had threaded inserts installed by Manners. I'll probably never use anything but an ARCA on that rifle anyways.

RSR “RAPID SITUATION RAIL” – Henderson Precision

 

[Mark_Dorman]

BO used to sell a 6-slot rail too, but it's been OOS for at least 9 or 10 months.

I asked for an alternative on here & someone pointed me to the Henderson Precision RSR. Manners declined to inlet for it & Alamo Precision wanted to see the stock & rail before they committed to doing the work, so I abandoned all MLOK dreams & just had threaded inserts installed by Manners. I'll probably never use anything but an ARCA on that rifle anyways.

RSR “RAPID SITUATION RAIL” – Henderson Precision

That's hilarious, I was just googling to find alternatives and came across the same thing. I should have checked my alerts here first

They look like they're good quality. I emailed BO today to see if they're planning to bring back their rails so I'll let you know what they say if/when I hear back.

 

[Mark_Dorman]

Badger Ordnance emailed me back finally. They confirmed the rails have been discontinued.

 

[wilson3899]

Impact
Proof prefit in 6.5 manbun
Vortex 36x
ARC m brace
Hellfire Match

Doing some positional work and breaking in the barrel today with factory 140 eldm.
Will be running the 153.5's.

 

[Krob95]

Impact
Proof prefit in 6.5 manbun
Vortex 36x
ARC m brace
Hellfire Match

Doing some positional work and breaking in the barrel today with factory 140 eldm.
Will be running the 153.5's.View attachment 8339286

Here is my 6.5cm. I’m running the 153.5 hybrids, you will not be disappointed

Manners TCS Elite Tac Copperhead

Impact 737r AW cut

TriggerTech Diamond Gold single stage

Hawkins Heavy One Piece Mount in Gold Anodize

Tangent Theta 5-25 T3

Black Canyon Customs Krieger 6.5cm barrel finished at 26”

Without Warning TMB

Gen 2 Ckye Pod

 

[wilson3899]

Here is my 6.5cm. I’m running the 153.5 hybrids, you will not be disappointed

View attachment 8339638

Manners TCS Elite Tac Copperhead

Impact 737r AW cut

TriggerTech Diamond Gold single stage

Hawkins Heavy One Piece Mount in Gold Anodize

Tangent Theta 5-25 T3

Black Canyon Customs Krieger 6.5cm barrel finished at 26”

Without Warning TMB

Gen 2 Ckye Pod

Your setup is dope man!
My plan is to have Fritzspin a tube for me also. You running a 7.5 twist or 8? Sammi Freebore?

 

[Krob95]

Your setup is dope man!
My plan is to have Fritzspin a tube for me also. You running a 7.5 twist or 8? Sammi Freebore?

8 twist since I live in Colorado. If I lived at a lower altitude, I’d probably go 7.5 to run the 153’s. Sammi spec freebore, I believe he said he has the alpha 6.5cm reamer but it should be a sammi spec reamer. Just the fancy one lol

 

[wilson3899]

8 twist since I live in Colorado. If I lived at a lower altitude, I’d probably go 7.5 to run the 153’s. Sammi spec freebore, I believe he said he has the alpha 6.5cm reamer but it should be a sammi spec reamer. Just the fancy one lol

Appreciate the info. Figured 8t is good enough for us here in CO. Gonna roll up a batch of 153's this afternoon

Digging on the TCS!
Sorry to derail this thread, fuckerz.

 

[DocRDS]

What's the typical wait time for one of these?

 

[shootertom]

What's the typical wait time for one of these?

Mine was about 10 months, ordered in Feb and received in November.

 

[Kiba]

What's the typical wait time for one of these?

I ordered my second TCS on 6/2/23 and just received an email from Manners today (2/5/24) that it's done and ready to ship and they needed payment, so right at 8 months.

Manners has told me they run their stock variants in batches, and depending on the production schedule when you place your order in your stock might be run in the current or next batch and be ready in 3 months, or it might be 10-12 months if your stock variant is a ways down the production schedule. I've ordered about 6 built to order stocks from Manners since 2012ish and having patience is a necessity, LOL

If you don't want a long wait, try and snag one that's in stock in the ready to ship page on Manners website, in stock at a dealer like Altus, or grab one off the PX here. I grabbed my first TCS off the PX here on a whim to try it and liked it so much I immediately ordered a second one in the exact color scheme that I wanted.

 

[Buck Lawman]

Anyone still in here have a NV bridge on their TCS? Maybe the KMW Munster or Badger EFR?

Like this one? It's a badger. Altus shooting installed it, they did a great job.

 

[zenm@ster]

Back in black at the range!!!

 

[RC556]

 

[cypriss32]

22 LR and 6GT

 

[Zack_va248]

Short Action Customs 308 Win
Alpha11 action
Bartlein 20" fluted
Triggertech Diamond Flat
SilencerCo Saker 762
mk5 5-25 PR2 in ARC M-Brace
Shoots like a dream!

169smk
Lapua palma brass
Varget
Cci450's

 

[Turbwhistle]

Before:

Buffed:

Sponge painted, still needs clear gloss

Picked up a tcs in matte back in black, wasn’t
really a fan so I started refinishing it myself. First step was to buff the entire stock to remove any imperfections and bring the luster up, then to sponge paint. Next step is to spray some 2k high gloss over it, but it hasn’t come in yet.

 

[ALPHADOG]

 

[4O6shootist]

Before:

Sponge painted, still needs clear gloss
View attachment 8380682

Is that a tangent atop a bergara b14R?! Or are my eyes deceiving me?

 

[Turbwhistle]

Is that a tangent atop a bergara b14R?! Or are my eyes deceiving me?

Deceived, It is a premier atop a b14r.

 

[Mark_Dorman]

Forgot to post my pictures up. Picked this up a few weeks ago and got my Vudoo mounted into it. Absolutely love the stock so far:

 

[Turbwhistle]

Forgot to post my pictures up. Picked this up a few weeks ago and got my Vudoo mounted into it. Absolutely love the stock so far:

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1.25”? What barrel length, and how does it balance out?

 

[Mark_Dorman]

1.25”? What barrel length, and how does it balance out?

It's a 24 inch 1.20". Balances out really well. I have the older ARCA rail (21.7oz) and only have a single 3.2oz weight at the front (removed the other 4 weights). I can set it on a bag and give a solid smack left or right to the butt stock or moderate downward tap on the rear and it stays put. That's with both the heavy ass Razor or Arken on there. Balance point is about 2.5 inches in front of the mag well.

Whole setup weighs in at just under 19 lbs. I was hoping to be a tad under 18, but I'm okay with it for now. Eventually I plan to run a lighter scope and get the new rail which should shave off close to 1 lb.

 

[Sendero_Man]

@Mark_Dorman what manufacturer is that cheek pad ? link ? Thanks

 

[021411]

@Mark_Dorman what manufacturer is that cheek pad ? link ? Thanks

Hoptic USA

 

[Mark_Dorman]

@Mark_Dorman what manufacturer is that cheek pad ? link ? Thanks

Hoptic USA

Sorry, was on lunch when you asked. Hoptic USA is correct. It came with the stock when I bought it but I really like it. I'm not sure they still offer this exact cut, but it might just be a trimmed AI pad one: https://www.hopticusa.com/product-page/saddle-blanket-accuracy-international-aiax-aimc

 

[021411]

There’s also this..

Manners Saddle Blanket | hoptic

The Manners Saddle Blanket fits most Manners Tactical and Hunting stocks as they use the same riser, please check fitment.1/8" Polyethlene Padded Cheek Rest Applique (self adhesive) and removiable.Laser cut for perfict form fit.Each purchase includeds two saddle blankets$15.99

www.hopticusa.com

 

[Rob01]

Wiebad makes one too.

Mini Stock Pad | WieBad Gear

wiebadgear.com

I have one of the Wiebads and it's really nice but on others I have actually cheaped out and take some of the foam that comes in Area419 arca boxes and put it on and threw some athletic wrap over it.

 

[Turbwhistle]

I run the ones from anarchy outdoors, I have had the wiebad but I wasn’t a fan of it.

Caparison Cheek Piece Pads

Increase the comfort of your setup with an Anarchy Outdoors cheek pad. This stick-on foam cheek piece adds style and a cushion between the shooter and the gun.

www.anarchyoutdoors.com

 

[Turbwhistle]

And this is the finished product with a gloss finish.

 

[Mark_Dorman]

And this is the finished product with a gloss finish.

That looks great! I would never have guessed that wasn't a factory finish.

 

[Turbwhistle]

only cost about $40 in paint and an hour of time, not including the cure time. I wish i had more plain stocks to paint, i am tempted to go over my LRH stocks as well.

 

[R_A_W]

@Turbwhistle what brand/type of paint did you use?

 

[Turbwhistle]

@Turbwhistle what brand/type of paint did you use?

I used deco art dazzling metallics paint from Michael’s and spraymax 2k clear glamour high gloss over the top.

The colors i used were
Deco art metallic: zinc, rich espresso, festive green
And one folk art colorshift black flash.

 

[Zack_va248]

More of the SAC308

 

[Mark_Dorman]

Not sure who all would be interested in this, but very exciting for us rimfire folk that struggle to get enough weight out front on our rifles. Manners just released a sneak peak of their new TCS forend weight. It bolts into the front 2 weight slots and adds an extra 1.5 lbs. It follows the contour of the stock and barrel channel. The bottom slightly reduces its footprint to avoid any interference from sliding anything on/off the arca rail.

This is something I've wanted to make for the Area 419 weighted rail but just don't have the resources and tooling to do it right now. Great to see companies making innovative little products like this. This is designed for their newer ARCA Rail with the 8 weight slots. The older 5 slot version wont work with it.

 

[CK1.0]

Not sure who all would be interested in this, but very exciting for us rimfire folk that struggle to get enough weight out front on our rifles. Manners just released a sneak peak of their new TCS forend weight. It bolts into the front 2 weight slots and adds an extra 1.5 lbs. It follows the contour of the stock and barrel channel. The bottom slightly reduces its footprint to avoid any interference from sliding anything on/off the arca rail.

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This is something I've wanted to make for the Area 419 weighted rail but just don't have the resources and tooling to do it right now. Great to see companies making innovative little products like this. This is designed for their newer ARCA Rail with the 8 weight slots. The older 5 slot version wont work with it.

View attachment 8420083

IMO, what Manners needs to do is make a steel spacer to place in between the foreend and rail (like KRG makes for their rigs) with longer screws to use it, drilled with holes so all those with the OG TCS steel rail and/or A419 sawtooth rail can use it…

…or I guess they could just ignore all of us who bought the first two rail options they offered…

 

[Kaveman44]

Not sure who all would be interested in this, but very exciting for us rimfire folk that struggle to get enough weight out front on our rifles. Manners just released a sneak peak of their new TCS forend weight. It bolts into the front 2 weight slots and adds an extra 1.5 lbs. It follows the contour of the stock and barrel channel. The bottom slightly reduces its footprint to avoid any interference from sliding anything on/off the arca rail.

View attachment 8420084View attachment 8420085View attachment 8420086

This is something I've wanted to make for the Area 419 weighted rail but just don't have the resources and tooling to do it right now. Great to see companies making innovative little products like this. This is designed for their newer ARCA Rail with the 8 weight slots. The older 5 slot version wont work with it.

View attachment 8420083

Is this Arca Rail available for sale right now? Also would love to know if you could you use the brass weights in it?

 

[Mark_Dorman]

Is this Arca Rail available for sale right now? Also would love to know if you could you use the brass weights in it?

The rail itself is their standard weighted rail. You can purchase it as a stand alone product. I think it's about $140 and comes with 2 of the aluminum weights. I don't think they or anyone else offer brass weight for this specific rail. The rail that Area 419 makes for them uses brass weights but they're a different shape. I believe the ARCA Lock version uses the same brass weights as the universal weighted rail from Area 419.

 

[Dj907]

New 25X47L Build.

 

[CK1.0]

I don't want to move to another stock/chassis, but the TCS is a step behind as far as adding weight compared to MDT/MPA/Foundation IMHO unless Manners or someone else comes up with something? I run a 26" Proof SS Comp contour, no rear weights, OG steel rail w/ all the weights and it's ~22lbs, still not as forward-biased as I'd like, better than most, but good, not great. I'd prefer a little heavier, all up front, or the same weight more front-biased.

I started playing around with a ~$20 box of wheel weights... 5mins added 9.5oz right where it counts and it needed it, and I still have more than half a box left to screw around with...

I was also thinking of maybe trying another steel rail from 360 Precision stacked with my current rail or..?

 

[Mark_Dorman]

I don't want to move to another stock/chassis, but the TCS is a step behind as far as adding weight compared to MDT/MPA/Foundation IMHO unless Manners or someone else comes up with something? I run a 26" Proof SS Comp contour, no rear weights, OG steel rail w/ all the weights and it's ~22lbs, still not as forward-biased as I'd like, better than most, but good, not great. I'd prefer a little heavier, all up front, or the same weight more front-biased.

I started playing around with a ~$20 box of wheel weights... 5mins added 9.5oz right where it counts and it needed it, and I still have more than half a box left to screw around with...

I was also thinking of maybe trying another steel rail from 360 Precision stacked with my current rail or..?


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What scope and other accessories are you running?

It definitely isn't the best for adding a ton or front weight. But I've been able to balance mine out just fine. Honestly the full set of weights doesn't do much for balance once you go past anything behind the balance point. I'd start by removing those. You're just adding extra weight unless you want it extra heavy.

 

[CK1.0]

What scope and other accessories are you running?

It definitely isn't the best for adding a ton or front weight. But I've been able to balance mine out just fine. Honestly the full set of weights doesn't do much for balance once you go past anything behind the balance point. I'd start by removing those. You're just adding extra weight unless you want it extra heavy.

Razor Gen3 (heavy pig), MPA BA mount...

Mine balances ok (~4" in front of the magwell/middle of a Gamechanger, some would say "perfect"), and I've already played with removing all the different/available combos of weights... removing the weights closest to the magwell does so little to balance bias that I'd rather leave them as "ballast".

I would just like the ability to experiment with making the gun heavier and/or push the weight and balance point more forward towards the muzzle, I might end up right back where it's set up now, but I won't know if heavier is better or not until I try it?

It's not like I want to go too bananas, but there are some top-ranked PRS shooters in my area, some of them running rigs in the ~24-26LB+ range, and I might like to see what that's like for myself before knocking it.

I already carry a ~22lb rig and giant backpack of shit from stage to stage, if a few more pounds will give me a few more impacts, I say why not?