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@pmclaine you pen is a “spitter”
Cut it a break, its old, maybe more like a "shitter" tired annular muscles.
Love they way that Parker writes though gives a sort of italic look somewhat.
Would love to buy a shaped nib to create that early 1900s writing style......think they are sort of "chiseled".
I can't compete with what ya'll are doing, as you're setting the bar very high. When I was in university, (as for everyone who's seriously there) the amount of notes to be taken/re-written/reviewed etc was incredible. From a young age, I had a 'heavy hand' (as titled from my Drafting instructor) I had to use the 4H pencils where everyone else was using 2H or softer. This all may make some sense to a few.
For all the notes I took, I used the Waterman fountain pen, simply to NOT PRESS SO HARD on the paper and it allowed me to get through each day and still have a hand left. This was purely out of necessity and pragmatism.
What ya'll are doing, and the gentleman's wife as well, is putting 'class' and 'integrity' back into communication. The likes of which are hugely missing in the everyday life of humans. Simply using cursive is tantamount to encryption nowadays.
Good on ya! Lead the charge, even. Thanks for showing the quality.
For all the notes I took, I used the Waterman fountain pen, simply to NOT PRESS SO HARD on the paper and it allowed me to get through each day and still have a hand left. This was purely out of necessity and pragmatism.
What ya'll are doing, and the gentleman's wife as well, is putting 'class' and 'integrity' back into communication. The likes of which are hugely missing in the everyday life of humans. Simply using cursive is tantamount to encryption nowadays.
Good on ya! Lead the charge, even. Thanks for showing the quality.
Kid sent a letter of appreciation to work last week.
Used the Parker to respond, sent him a shoulder patch, wrote in cursive........I hope he has surviving grandparents that can read my response to him.
Used the Parker to respond, sent him a shoulder patch, wrote in cursive........I hope he has surviving grandparents that can read my response to him.
My wife goes through a pen about every 400 invitations. She buys good pens, but not great pens because of the cost. She simply wears them out. When you get invitations printed, the return address is printed or pressed into the back. They use a very fine sand in this process, and also some linen paper has very fine sand in it. This abrasiveness wears down her nib, and will put a burr on the corner, and she will start cutting the invitations with the burr. You don’t have that problem when writing on regular paper or stationary, and a good pen will last a long time as long as you clean it good every so often.
Most modern pens have stainless nibs, which do not wear as well as the older nibs which have Iridium on the tip (which is amazingly wear resistant).
Most of the modern pens which have gold nibs are tipped with Iridium (or Osmium, Ruthenium, Rhenium), which take longer to wear out than steel.
I do daily carry a Graf Faber Castell pen which has a stainless nib. But periodically I have to re-contour the tip to keep the ideal shape. For those who do calligraphy, they often use the flexy Zebra nibs, as their cost is more manageable.
This is assuming she does not do stub-nib calligraphy, as versus Point Flex Nib nibs.
I too prefer cursive writing over the thumbs and keyboard stuff. I look at it as an art form. Look at the constitution and the pen strokes in it. Pure artistic writing
Decided my heathen kids needed some stationary so I ordered them up some Norlu Press personalized stationary.....
Mr DiRisio hooked me up with a few test samples of a new type he has obtained...
I like it! He thinks the Eagle type comes out better in blue and will probably use blue going forward.
Good stuff here....
Mr DiRisio hooked me up with a few test samples of a new type he has obtained...
I like it! He thinks the Eagle type comes out better in blue and will probably use blue going forward.
Good stuff here....
You are a paper snob....your review would be much more in depth than mine.
I've used a fountain pen on his cards and not had bleed or feathering but Im the guy that cant tell the difference between S&B or Tasco.
Mr. DiRisio has been fun to communicate with. Has a son in the USA and he was in USA at one time TDY to Fort Devens in my AO. Good guy his Dad was a WWII vet.
Story he related to me regards an ancestor I dont think he would mind my sharing......
I love American military history, and I thought a lot about my wife's
ancestors as I was deciding whether or not to get stuck. She had an
ancestor who volunteered and was commissioned an officer in various
Massachusetts militia organizations during the American Revolution. He
fought in numerous battles (despite having fulfilled his military
obligation) and, throughout the course of the war, lost his wife to
disease and his 16-year-old Soldier son to a British cannonball. After
the war, the government came down hard on farmers like him and
demanded more cash in taxes than they could pay. He became a leader in
the Regulators movement, led his friends in Shay's Rebellion and
eventually was convicted of treason. He received two stays of
execution--the second of which when he was on the gallows to be
hung--and when he was finally freed, he turned his back on everything
and joined a commune known as the Dorrelites. He died not as a war
hero, but in relative obscurity, estranged from his family and without
any land to pass down to his progeny.
He somehow dug up a story of a hawk I saved last winter and asked me about it....I thought that funny......he must have been stalking me or something....made me laugh.
I've used a fountain pen on his cards and not had bleed or feathering but Im the guy that cant tell the difference between S&B or Tasco.
Mr. DiRisio has been fun to communicate with. Has a son in the USA and he was in USA at one time TDY to Fort Devens in my AO. Good guy his Dad was a WWII vet.
Story he related to me regards an ancestor I dont think he would mind my sharing......
I love American military history, and I thought a lot about my wife's
ancestors as I was deciding whether or not to get stuck. She had an
ancestor who volunteered and was commissioned an officer in various
Massachusetts militia organizations during the American Revolution. He
fought in numerous battles (despite having fulfilled his military
obligation) and, throughout the course of the war, lost his wife to
disease and his 16-year-old Soldier son to a British cannonball. After
the war, the government came down hard on farmers like him and
demanded more cash in taxes than they could pay. He became a leader in
the Regulators movement, led his friends in Shay's Rebellion and
eventually was convicted of treason. He received two stays of
execution--the second of which when he was on the gallows to be
hung--and when he was finally freed, he turned his back on everything
and joined a commune known as the Dorrelites. He died not as a war
hero, but in relative obscurity, estranged from his family and without
any land to pass down to his progeny.
He somehow dug up a story of a hawk I saved last winter and asked me about it....I thought that funny......he must have been stalking me or something....made me laugh.
Great gift idea. My mom, who is 79, is one of the last of the “letter writing” era. She still hand writes her high school girlfriend, who lives in Fl, bi-weekly, as she has done every since I can remember. She actually knows how long it typically takes for a letter to arrive and return. And, God forbid, it takes 2 days longer!!
HMMM after posting Mr DiRisios historical reference I had to research Dorrelites.
I found this....
A sectary, by the name of Dorrel, appeared in Leyden, Mass., about fifty years ago, and made some proselytes. The following are some of his leading sentiments: -- Jesus Christ is, as to substance, a spirit, and is God. He took a body, died, and never rose from the dead. None of the human race will ever rise from their graves. The resurrection, spoken of in Scripture, is only one from sin to spiritual life, which consists in perfect obedience to God. Written revelation is a type of the substance of the true revelation, which God makes to those whom he raises from spiritual death. The substance is God revealed in the soul. Those who have it are perfect, are incapable of sinning, and have nothing to do with the Bible. The eternal life, purchased by Christ, was an eternal succession of natural generation. Heaven is light, and hell is darkness. God has no wrath. There is no opposition between God and the devil, who have equal power in their respective worlds of light and darkness. Those who are raised are free from all civil laws; are not bound by the marriage covenant; and the perfect have a right to promiscuous intercourse. Neither prayer nor any other worship is necessary. There is no law but that of nature. There is no future judgment, nor any knowledge in the future state, of what is done in this world. God has no forethought, no knowledge of what passes in the dark world, which is hell, nor any knowledge of what has taken place, or will take place, in this world. Neither God nor the devil has any power to control man. There are two kinds of perfection -- that of the head, and that of the members. The leader is perfect as the head; but none of his followers can be so, in this sense, so long as the leader continues. All covenants which God has heretofore entered into with man, are at an end, and a new covenant made with the leader, (Dorrel,) in which he has all power to direct, and all the blessings of which must be looked for through him. Neither Moses nor Christ wrought any miracles. I (says Dorrel) stand the same as Jesus Christ in all respects. My disciples stand in the same relation to me, as the disciples of Christ did to him. I am to be worshipped in the same manner as Christ was to be worshipped, as God united to human flesh. This sect was broken up in the following manner: --
One of Dorrel's lectures was attended by Captain Ezekiel Foster, of Leyden, a man of good sense, of a strong, muscular frame, and a countenance which bespoke authority. When Dorrel came to the declaration of his extraordinary powers, he had no sooner uttered the words, "No arm can hurt my flesh," than Foster rose, indignant at the imposture he was practising on his deluded followers, and knocked down Dorrel with his fist. Dorrel, in great trepidation, and almost senseless, attempted to rise, when he received a second blow, at which he cried for mercy. Foster engaged to forbear, on condition that he would renounce his doctrines, but continued beating him. Soon a short parley ensued, when Dorrel consented, and did renounce his doctrines in the hearing of all his astonished followers. He further told them, that his object was to see what fools he could make of mankind. His followers, ashamed and chagrined at being made the dupes of such an unprincipled fellow, departed in peace to their homes. Dorrel promised his assailant, upon the penalty of his life never to attempt any similar imposition upon the people.
I found this....
A sectary, by the name of Dorrel, appeared in Leyden, Mass., about fifty years ago, and made some proselytes. The following are some of his leading sentiments: -- Jesus Christ is, as to substance, a spirit, and is God. He took a body, died, and never rose from the dead. None of the human race will ever rise from their graves. The resurrection, spoken of in Scripture, is only one from sin to spiritual life, which consists in perfect obedience to God. Written revelation is a type of the substance of the true revelation, which God makes to those whom he raises from spiritual death. The substance is God revealed in the soul. Those who have it are perfect, are incapable of sinning, and have nothing to do with the Bible. The eternal life, purchased by Christ, was an eternal succession of natural generation. Heaven is light, and hell is darkness. God has no wrath. There is no opposition between God and the devil, who have equal power in their respective worlds of light and darkness. Those who are raised are free from all civil laws; are not bound by the marriage covenant; and the perfect have a right to promiscuous intercourse. Neither prayer nor any other worship is necessary. There is no law but that of nature. There is no future judgment, nor any knowledge in the future state, of what is done in this world. God has no forethought, no knowledge of what passes in the dark world, which is hell, nor any knowledge of what has taken place, or will take place, in this world. Neither God nor the devil has any power to control man. There are two kinds of perfection -- that of the head, and that of the members. The leader is perfect as the head; but none of his followers can be so, in this sense, so long as the leader continues. All covenants which God has heretofore entered into with man, are at an end, and a new covenant made with the leader, (Dorrel,) in which he has all power to direct, and all the blessings of which must be looked for through him. Neither Moses nor Christ wrought any miracles. I (says Dorrel) stand the same as Jesus Christ in all respects. My disciples stand in the same relation to me, as the disciples of Christ did to him. I am to be worshipped in the same manner as Christ was to be worshipped, as God united to human flesh. This sect was broken up in the following manner: --
One of Dorrel's lectures was attended by Captain Ezekiel Foster, of Leyden, a man of good sense, of a strong, muscular frame, and a countenance which bespoke authority. When Dorrel came to the declaration of his extraordinary powers, he had no sooner uttered the words, "No arm can hurt my flesh," than Foster rose, indignant at the imposture he was practising on his deluded followers, and knocked down Dorrel with his fist. Dorrel, in great trepidation, and almost senseless, attempted to rise, when he received a second blow, at which he cried for mercy. Foster engaged to forbear, on condition that he would renounce his doctrines, but continued beating him. Soon a short parley ensued, when Dorrel consented, and did renounce his doctrines in the hearing of all his astonished followers. He further told them, that his object was to see what fools he could make of mankind. His followers, ashamed and chagrined at being made the dupes of such an unprincipled fellow, departed in peace to their homes. Dorrel promised his assailant, upon the penalty of his life never to attempt any similar imposition upon the people.
He’s not far from me so I’ll give him a ring and see if I can stop in with my pens and test paper for some stationery. The only inks I’m worried about are my document inks. Those are very wet, and feather on most papers. Clairefontaine and Rhoda handle them well though. I have to use a fine nib if signing poors paper.
a cross between a blind labrador retriever and a newly mostly fried chicken is a good description of my hand writing
but I could tap dance like Fred Astaire in my dreams . lol
but I could tap dance like Fred Astaire in my dreams . lol
His shop appears to be old school judging by the limited things I can see in his pictures.
Things made of old oak, Linotype, probably a press you have to operate with human force.
Might be an interesting visit.
I can write all fancy dancy if I have to. But working flat rate means time is money. It needs to be written fast but still be just legible enough that the booker can read it and pay you for what you did. That was…until everything went digital. Thankfully I was decent enough in typing class that I could teach myself the rest of the way
Now the only thing I need to write is something nice on a birthday card for my wife. I can do that neatly enough
Now the only thing I need to write is something nice on a birthday card for my wife. I can do that neatly enough
The Good Lord only made so many people perfect. The rest; he made right-handed.
Looks like a nice pen but at this price I’m guessing Chyna….
www.ellingtonpens.com
The Stealth Fountain Pen
"This fountain pen exceeded my expectations in every way. Its sleek design and flawless performance make it a true standout among my collection. Highly recommended for anyone seeking the perfect fusion of style and functionality." - Jacob R. Crafted with a stainless steel barrel and beautiful...
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Most excellent to see this resurrected because I need to work on my penmanship. I switched to block printing in the mid 80’s when I started engineering school and was doing drawing. (No cad back then!)
My penmanship wasn’t great then. Now is appalling.
I have a couple of nice spendy pens that I have been given over the years. And I sat down last month to write 20 Thank You cards to donors for a college fellowship I started. Typing and e-mails were not going to cut it.
Wish I could find an In-person class. Even retired teachers don’t know how to write good cursive any more.
So bring it on!!! I love the idea of this thread!!!
Sirhr
Even wondered if there is some kind of “week long penmanship boot camp” class out there… at an art colony or something. Would be a fun exercise!
My penmanship wasn’t great then. Now is appalling.
I have a couple of nice spendy pens that I have been given over the years. And I sat down last month to write 20 Thank You cards to donors for a college fellowship I started. Typing and e-mails were not going to cut it.
Wish I could find an In-person class. Even retired teachers don’t know how to write good cursive any more.
So bring it on!!! I love the idea of this thread!!!
Sirhr
Even wondered if there is some kind of “week long penmanship boot camp” class out there… at an art colony or something. Would be a fun exercise!
Saw this pop up again and was going to repost what I posted in #44. Dang old threads popping up.
I think part of the problem is you need to slow down to do it right.
You have to think about what you want to write before writing it.
No one does that anymore.
Few WRITE anymore. The majority of correspondence is via email. Pens are an anachronism for most….much like M40s…LOL
And, calligraphy is a lost art.
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Looks like a nice pen but at this price I’m guessing Chyna….
The Stealth Fountain Pen
"This fountain pen exceeded my expectations in every way. Its sleek design and flawless performance make it a true standout among my collection. Highly recommended for anyone seeking the perfect fusion of style and functionality." - Jacob R. Crafted with a stainless steel barrel and beautiful...
Pilot explorers with a pump converter are my everyday throw about fountain pens.
Get one of those grade school cursive books from scamazon. I keep a couple around for practice when I realize I’m starting to write like shit again.
I also write left handed. I had a lot of trouble learning to write in grade school. Cursive was almost impossible for me.
In my 30s I started using a fountain pen. Now one would think that I would get more ink on my hand from a fountain pen compared to a ball point or roller ball.
That's not the case. With the right kind of ink, I can write on several sheets of paper and not get any ink on my hand.
Sometimes, I will get ink on the right side of the middle finger if some has got on the body of the pen from the cap. Nevertheless, the rest of the hand stays ink free.
After writing exclusively with a fountain pen, my writing has been more legible. Because I don't have to press with the point on the paper I'm able to write with little to no effort.
I learned that children in a lot of European countries, and even some third world places still learn to write with fountain pens.
My Father did have much of an education. However, his penmanship was superb. He learned to write with a fountain pen during the depression.
Take a look at the handwriting of most of the older Europeans and you will notice really great penmanship.
Unless I need a ball point or roller ball for certain work activity, I write exclusively with a fountain pen.
Try the TWSBI brand. They are very affordable and can be maintained by the user. My recommendation is for Goulet Pen Company.
The TWSBI 580 is a little more expensive but you don't have to fill it up by dipping the nib in the ink. You can remove the nib and place the opening of the converter/ reservoir/piston on the opening of their ink bottle and suck the ink in the pen without creating a mess. Get the fine or extra-fine nib.
TWSBI Diamond 580 Fountain Pen - Clear - The Goulet Pen Company
This clear demonstrator fountain pen features a piston ink-filling mechanism, clear grip section, and screw-cap. It comes with a stainless steel nib.
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I use the aforementioned TWSBI ink bottle to store the ink.
TWSBI Diamond 50 Ink Bottle - Blue - The Goulet Pen Company
This glass fountain pen inkwell from TWSBI has a black aluminum top with blue accents. It has an ink capacity of approximately 50ml.
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I have found that Noodlers is a go-to brand of ink; especially the water resistant version.
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One of my more paranoid brethern suggested that cursive is no longer being taught in schools so that future generations can't read the US Constitution....My kid made some spending money one summer 'translating' hand-written (cursive) civil war letters. He first did the best he could in date order and then cross-referenced names and places. He got a pretty good first hand account of death of several of the author's buddies.
…was thinking AI cannot comprehend or interpret what it is viewing and that is the reason it is not being taught anymore.
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As much fun as it is to attribute everything to some evil master plan, it simpler than that. We just became lazy, teachers included. Penmanship and cursive went the way of proper grammar (or even a good understanding thereof) and useful skills like how to balance a checkbook and civics.
